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Other => Found it on the Webs => : Darqsunscreen April 21, 2013, 02:42:14 AM
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Just came across this. Thought I'd share it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXZWB_dNsw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBXZWB_dNsw)
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You've gotta love gifted people, they always seem to raise the bar and give you something to strive for, but then again he could just be some kid who was not diagnosed as being autistic.
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This is a classical example of people with high IQ's. They are really strong in some fields but they usually lack behind on the social aspect. In my opinion it isn't worth the extra "skills". I would rather have to work hard for it, and still have the ability to be a part of a social group. This does not sound bad ass at all, but I would not live without my girlfriend. She keeps me going and holds me up!
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This is a classical example of people with high IQ's. They are really strong in some fields but they usually lack behind in the social aspect. I would say that it isn't worth the extra "skills" I would rather have to work hard for it and still have the ability to be a part of a social group. This does not sounds bad ass at all, but I would not live without my girlfriend. She keeps me going and holds me up!
Yeah, well said. Just look how he talks and acts. He might have high IQ and be a "genius" but he's a miserable SOB.
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Yeah, well said. Just look how he talks and acts. He might have high IQ and be a "genius" but he's a miserable SOB.
Most of the world known geniuses were having low social skills, but they left a huge impact on our way of understanding the world around us. One day you're mocking him and the next day you find yourself studying his theories.
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This is a classical example of people with high IQ's. They are really strong in some fields but they usually lack behind on the social aspect. I would say that it isn't worth the extra "skills" I would rather have to work hard for it and still have the ability to be a part of a social group. This does not sounds bad ass at all, but I would not live without my girlfriend. She keeps me going and holds me up!
I would trade all my social skills to be able to think the way he does. If learning and programming makes him happy, then there is no point in being in a social group, when the things he will create will influence the world. So happiness here is relative, and for him to have a girlfriend would probably be a highly painful experience. (but then again even for an average person, having a relationship can be considered a painful experience :) )
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You've gotta love gifted people, they always seem to raise the bar and give you something to strive for, but then again he could just be some kid who was not diagnosed as being autistic.
Well he does have the symptoms. Lack of social skills, very narrow interests and the ability to focus for hours,days,months.. on one thing.
I'm diagnosed with autism myself but I definatelly have more social skills (although still very bad) than he does. Than again. I don't excel that way in anything either.
I think the key difference is that he really seems to know what he wants. Confidence is a crucial part of being a genius. You have to believe that you are a genius first. Otherwise any potentially good idea you get in your head is diminished by your own self doubt.
I do love the idea that everything is balanced between people. It gives me some sense of justice or that things are evenly divided. I do see allot of proof that it's the way brains work. I like to believe that if a person seems totally retarded in every way. That just means you haven't discovered his or her abilities yet.
Think it comes down to this. You have neurons in your brain and neurons are never wasted. They never remain unused. Therefor if you have a part of your brain that doesn't function possibly done by brain damage at birth or the loss of sight or hearing. Those neurons dedicated for handling those functions.. will now be reused for something else. That's the best way I can explain where this balance comes from.
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Without programmers and hackers with autism, we would know significantly less than what we would if we did. Because people with autism generally excel in a particular subject, which means they make amazing break-throughs to change that subject. Deal people with autism with respect, because they are special, even though they may be socially awkward.
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Deal people with autism with respect, because they are special, even though they may be socially awkward.
What I hate is when people speak of autism as a disease. It is genetic and is not something you can cure.
However.. Normal people can become "autistic". With certain magnets they can deactivate (temporarily) parts of your brain so you do not use different brain parts for different tasks but most of your brain for one task like someone with autism.
It's not inconceivable that one day it might be the other way around. The question is do you want that. If you'd "cure" someone with autism he or she would fundamentally become a different person.
So what is normal. If the world was full of people with autism and there where just a low percentage of people who use their brains in a way that we call normal.. Than, what we call normal, would be out of the ordinary and be called a disease.. The fact is that there's more and more people born with autism every day and that's not just because the population is growing more and more. Allot of people think, and I don't count it out, that autism is nature's way to respond to our technological revolution.
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We are normal just because we are more in numbers !
IS DAT NORMAL?
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Genius:Social Awkwardness ratio is usually roughly 1:1
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Im not trying to be rude or anything, but what makes him a prodigy? I mean, isn't he just like any other programmer? :P
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It's not just that he's 14. It's that he's 14 with an exceptional gift that excels beyond that of far more mature coders. As well, he's also 14 and will be graduating with a college degree in less than 2 years. Likely to obtain a Master's degree a year following that. That is an accomplishment beyond even that of some of our greatest programming 'heroes'. If you're really interested in understanding what makes him a prodigy, make a friend of him; you'll see.
I do like the comment mentioned about no interest in girls -- that it's a tremendous waste of time. Tesla felt pretty much the same way.
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I do like the comment mentioned about no interest in girls -- that it's a tremendous waste of time. Tesla felt pretty much the same way.
rasenove gives hi five to Xires.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17645998
Take a look at that.
the kids 6 years old and.....
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This is a classical example of people with high IQ's. They are really strong in some fields but they usually lack behind on the social aspect. In my opinion it isn't worth the extra "skills". I would rather have to work hard for it, and still have the ability to be a part of a social group. This does not sound bad ass at all, but I would not live without my girlfriend. She keeps me going and holds me up!
To me ive always hated this stereotype. While im assuredly not at his level i have tested out for a long time in the top 1% IQ wise. Yet i have zero problems interacting with others, am always popular at work etc. Sure school was a bit rough, but then it really is for everyone. However this whole "big bang theory" kind of portrayal of intelligent people just pisses me off. A guy i knew in school, who is now the 3rd generation of his family to work as a rocket scientist for NASA went from 0 programming languages(at the time it was my 3rd) to being done with the book and advanced coding in a fucking week. Shit i thought I was doing well....Yet he was incredibly popular, threw awesome partys, and had any number of interests aside from hard math/sciences (though granted building devices to have bottle rocket wars with friends is a bit geeky).
Or hell look at Einstein, yes he could tie his shoes, much like above many of his "faults" are flat made up or exaggerated so "normal" peopled dont have to feel so bad. He was KNOWN to be a major "playa"(to update the terminology!). Sure ive seen/met the other side too, that have a major dysfunction in social skills, but near as i can tell its the exception not the norm. In any regard their are far more "famous" highly intelligent world changing men/women with normal or even great social skills than those without.
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As with everything there's always an exception. Don't get me wrong this is not something I want to force down on everyone with a high IQ. Just to take an example, my girlfriend has a pretty high IQ and she is "normal". The thing is, I study psychology at my school we have just finished "working" with this topic and I do not think that they will teach is something that isn't right.
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@ Darkvision
When I read your comment one thought comes to mind.
Evolution and growth is a trading game. You have to trade one thing for another thing. Sure it does seem like some people hit the jackpot and got allot of everything.
Than it might balance out in some other way. For instance you might not have the fame of Justin Bieber... But, when you're older, you won't have to look back at a life that is so good that nothing you can ever do will be as good as that. Ok bad example but you get my point.
You might be a famous undying rockstar with the love of the whole world but you choke in your own vomit.
You might be a rocket scientist but blow yourself to pieces in an experiment.
You might be the world's most populair guy ever. But you might never know when someone really loves you because everyone does.
having high IQ might seem like a blessing but it can also feel like a curse.
You might get all the girls you can. And get bored of sex. (small chance)
The way nature chooses to balance itself out might not be clearly visible cause our point of view is just narrow and dictated mainly by our perspective.. Our bodys.
Every upside has it's downside or as johan cruyff said: Elk voordeel heb zijn nadeel.
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@phage Even though their is no "law" or true science governing what your learning? statistics lie, look at global warming. this whole made up hype about the earth heating up, when if you look at the full chart that the news was using you will see that we are actually in a downward trend headed to the next ice age. While such things CAN be useful, they have to be used carefully, and looked at from all sides. will i think make my point, in this next part.
@Darqsunscreen Evolution and social behaviors are two wildly divergent topics when viewed from one angle, or the same when viewed from another. However social ineptitudes are not even close to being a "genius" or hell even "autistic" problem alone. If that were true we wouldnt have so many people in jail, or mental institutions, or hell so many different area's and types of social sciences. At the end of the day though IQ is supposed to describe ones ability to learn, that is to gather and comprehend information. now sure its possible you could decide you dont need/want certain kinds of information, or find it bothersome. but this does not signify a lack of ability, but a lack of caring.
Also what your born into (socially or economically) has nothing to do with evolution, but rather luck of the draw. While IQ is also luck of the draw it does at least have to do with genetics. And sure random chance might dictate you get in a car accident, or forgetting that one wiggly little detail may cost you your life in an experiment gone wrong. but this does not mean their is some "divine" balance dictated by god, or as you seem to be suggesting, evolution.
If this were so we, and i mean the human race, wouldnt even exist. we are totally unbalanced, have a totally unfair advantage over every other creature on the earth simply because of how powerful our brains are. that doesnt mean we couldnt get ate by a lion, but that given the proper motivation we could decide to eat ALL of the lions. Or hell accidentally kill them all off just through our unchecked growth.
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At the end of the day though IQ is supposed to describe ones ability to learn, that is to gather and comprehend information. now sure its possible you could decide you dont need/want certain kinds of information, or find it bothersome. but this does not signify a lack of ability, but a lack of caring.
The thing I experienced is that I felt my whole life like people thought I was stupid (except the teachers and people who knew me better) because the way I talk to someone or explain something, wich is totally 180 degrees from the way I talk on a forum for instance, I skip steps in the story cause I assume that the person that's listening also skips those steps. Things that seem like a logical consequence of what I'm explaining and therefor I assume this person, another human being with brains, can also make this leap. Turns out that I have been dumbing myself down for a long time just so I could fit in and actually communicate with people between the ages +/- 5 and 23.
I stopped dumbing myself down again for a long time now and it did not improve my social life. People often think I'm weird and can't make sense out of things I'm saying. Like we're not on the same frequency anymore and I refuse to fine tune.
Sorry if I come over as egotistical, bending the story towards myself but it's issues I've toyed with all my life.
Society seems to want you to dumb yourself down or be on your own.
Also what your born into (socially or economically) has nothing to do with evolution, but rather luck of the draw. While IQ is also luck of the draw it does at least have to do with genetics.
Well. You could seriously argue about that considering in our world, race is, depending on where you get born, still a predefined foundation of your social and economic future for most people.
And sure random chance might dictate you get in a car accident, or forgetting that one wiggly little detail may cost you your life in an experiment gone wrong. but this does not mean their is some "divine" balance dictated by god, or as you seem to be suggesting, evolution.
I'm not suggesting that the balance comes from just evolution. I have no idea where it all comes from I'm just guessing with my limited knowledge.
I can say so many things but it would just be rambling.. Like that human children's brains are hard wired to believe in a spiritual world, that people who have no control over their surroundings will more likely develop a believe in God and therefor God might very well be our own creation.
That Einstein was working on a theory of everything and if we ever really get that formula nothing would be random chance. That Aliens might already be at the point of having that theory of everything and can make a simulation of the universe. That everything is made out of dots.. Quantized. That we might be in that simulation right now and that the 3 Alien scientist controlling the simulation are "God". If you would use the drake equation that becomes a much more probable theory than the real God.
Cause we need to assume that Aliens, just like us, want to master everything there is to master. And they might be millions if not billions of earth years more advanced than we are.. Think about it. They would want to know everything that ever happened. Cause we would. In a simulation you're not supposed to "interfere" just like God.
If this were so we, and i mean the human race, wouldnt even exist. we are totally unbalanced, have a totally unfair advantage over every other creature on the earth simply because of how powerful our brains are. that doesnt mean we couldnt get ate by a lion, but that given the proper motivation we could decide to eat ALL of the lions. Or hell accidentally kill them all off just through our unchecked growth.
Yes we got too smart too fast. However that happened. Where in the evolutionary tree do you see a creatures brain size TRIPLE!! within the course of 30.000 years. It's as if we are indeed some experiment that spiraled out of control.
PS: My apologies if I come over as condescending when I say things. I get that allot and it's not my intention. Like I'm lecturing while I'm just very interested in what we're talking about and want to say too many things. I also tend to drift off topic because I can always think of something that is connected in some way.
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The thing I experienced is that I felt my whole life like people thought I was stupid (except the teachers and people who knew me better) because the way I talk to someone or explain something, wich is totally 180 degrees from the way I talk on a forum for instance, I skip steps in the story cause I assume that the person that's listening also skips those steps. Things that seem like a logical consequence of what I'm explaining and therefor I assume this person, another human being with brains, can also make this leap. Turns out that I have been dumbing myself down for a long time just so I could fit in and actually communicate with people between the ages +/- 5 and 23.
Again dont get me wrong, im not saying i dont communicate very differently around different people. However everyone does this, to a greater or lesser extent. however i feel it may be more of an age thing as well(again this goes to that whole "high IQ can learn to communicate" thing i was talking about earlier. When i was younger i really just didnt get how much more intelligent i was, i simply assumed everyone saw things the way i did, that the solution was just right their in front of them too. they were just to embarrassed to answer! I didn't get that they just didnt think like me, or see what i saw, and sure to this day its still something of a problem, i will skip stuff i think they "know" that they dont. But again this is still done to some extent by everyone, just that those like us tend to skip larger portions of a conversation. Where you or i need one or two words to get a full concept across, others would need sentences to understand the topic or idea. However just because their is an initial learning curve(or really a continuous one) doesnt mean we are socially inept. I could if you wish list a great deal of highly intelligent famous individuals that fit this bill, or even talk about it. Though i would suggest just starting with Heinlein and Asimov both books, and quotes. You wont agree with everything, nor should you. But it can give you a lot to think about in regards to this, as well as a number of other things.
I stopped dumbing myself down again for a long time now and it did not improve my social life. People often think I'm weird and can't make sense out of things I'm saying. Like we're not on the same frequency anymore and I refuse to fine tune.
Again something i had issue with, it took a classmate in my IT "A" school in the Navy to bring it to my attention. The entire class hated me, and i mean hated me. I honestly had no clue why. i mean hell i never even talked to any of them. i just played flash games and answered the teachers questions. But they saw it as me being a "know it all"/"teachers pet", when i was just being honest and showing that i was in fact paying attention to what the teacher was saying. The thing about this is, that in some cases no matter WHAT you do, you will be disliked by some. ignore them. Concentrate on the ones who come around and go hey he isnt being a dick, he is just answering a question. You can not always help how others perceive you, however if you have an idea of WHY they are perceiving you the way they are you can see if their is something you can, or want to change to be perceived better.
Sorry if I come over as egotistical, bending the story towards myself but it's issues I've toyed with all my life.
Society seems to want you to dumb yourself down or be on your own.
I dont take it that way at all dont worry! hell i would express the same concern. However one great thing about these forums, is that you(and me) are among like minded individuals. we want to share, inform, and understand information as well as each other. if i get offended, i will let you know, but im no where near it at the moment :)
If your talking about "mainstream" society sure, but a LOT of that comes from the corporations. i could go on listing some "fun"(ie really BAD) quotes from some of our most famous big shots in america about wanting to dumb down the masses, but hopefully your already aware that most of that comes from them. I've even found that the older i get(and the older my peers get) that the more intelligence and knowledge is valued. It is mainly the young, still fresh out of life experience, still heavily imprinted by the "system"(ie school) that tend to feel that way.
Well. You could seriously argue about that considering in our world, race is, depending on where you get born, still a predefined foundation of your social and economic future for most people.
honestly i didnt even think of that aspect(or the sex aspect) when writing that, guess it shows how little such a BS thing like that matters to me. yes they are still a factor to some extent, but i think even if the people that were running/are in office are horrid humans that the times now really do show through in the fact that we have a black president who ran against (in his party) a white woman. Times are changing, this is less and less a factor the world over. Not saying it isnt one, but its not nearly as big of one as it used to be. Besides i would argue that even then the place your born still effects you more than color. look at the "escape" rates on a "hood" even for the white people born economically disadvantaged. Also considering china, japan, britain (and others) class is more important than color. Which again goes to show that evolution and social behaviors tend not to match up very well.
I'm not suggesting that the balance comes from just evolution. I have no idea where it all comes from I'm just guessing with my limited knowledge.
I really would suggest reading a LOT more about different countries, and hell even traveling.
I can say so many things but it would just be rambling.. Like that human children's brains are hard wired to believe in a spiritual world, that people who have no control over their surroundings will more likely develop a believe in God and therefor God might very well be our own creation.
This all kind of gets off topic, and so im just gonna skip it :P
That Einstein was working on a theory of everything and if we ever really get that formula nothing would be random chance. That Aliens might already be at the point of having that theory of everything and can make a simulation of the universe. That everything is made out of dots.. Quantized. That we might be in that simulation right now and that the 3 Alien scientist controlling the simulation are "God". If you would use the drake equation that becomes a much more probable theory than the real God.
Cause we need to assume that Aliens, just like us, want to master everything there is to master. And they might be millions if not billions of earth years more advanced than we are.. Think about it. They would want to know everything that ever happened. Cause we would. In a simulation you're not supposed to "interfere" just like God.
Einstein was working on a unified field theory, which supposedly Tesla (according to himself) had finished. This however does not explain anything. it wouldnt give us the answer to life the universe and everything, or even the question. All it would do (as any other mathematical theory, theorem or fact) is give us a foundation on which to base our "questions". In other words its more of say the principle behind "counting" not that 1+1=2. Other than that, how exactly do aliens enter this conversation? im afraid im missing a point here.
Yes we got too smart too fast. However that happened. Where in the evolutionary tree do you see a creatures brain size TRIPLE!! within the course of 30.000 years. It's as if we are indeed some experiment that spiraled out of control.
PS: My apologies if I come over as condescending when I say things. I get that allot and it's not my intention. Like I'm lecturing while I'm just very interested in what we're talking about and want to say too many things. I also tend to drift off topic because I can always think of something that is connected in some way.
And yet we cant even understand ourselves, and i do mean litterally look internally at our own faults(reliably). Which is why i was saying what i did about these things not being a science, and why to view any of that, or hell much of what ive said as "fact" is ludicrous. What someone said or did, is fact. The whys and whats behind it are still not understood. which is why i tend to speak against absolutes as you spoke them, because they are not. i could continue on for days with this frankly, and since its been so long id have to do "research" from scratch, but i CAN tell you this. you find me opinion on any or all of it that disagrees, ill find 5 that do. Then find 5 that disagree with those 5, then find 5 that disagree with both of those 5, then find 5 that disagree with all of them, and 1 who thinks we all live in a teapot made of butter. However at the end of the day what i stated to start with is FACT. IQ measures ability to learn and comprehend the world around us(or attempts to measure would be more appropriate). This means, that we are likely to comprehend not just the universe, but even our own social behaviors more fully than "normal" people. Given this fact, we will tend to be more successful, REGARDLESS of color, sex, nationality, class etc. Einstein would have been put in a labor camp in WWII simply for things he couldnt control, except the Nazis STILL wanted him as a researcher instead. He is not the only case of a "undesirable" being recruited(or attempting to be recruited) for their brains, despite being of a "untouchable" class, by germany or frankly any number of other super powers throughout history. In the end intelligence is desirable, the majority of women, want a man more intelligent than them. Considering the generally considered top qualities a women looks for are stability(money), looks and intelligence, and your intelligence gives you a damn good shot at the stability, you ARE a desirable mate. Is it any wonder Einstein was looking as goofy as he did a successful/famous womanizer? Hell thats not even getting into any of my personal experiences or observations. Lets just say that being born at the top end of the brain ladder has a lot of ups, and only a few downs. MOST of which are not nearly as noticeable as you get older.