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: what are the chances of world war 3.
: Nowsh February 24, 2014, 07:30:37 PM
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: Phage February 24, 2014, 08:32:53 PM
I think the chances of a third world war in the nearest future is quite low. The governments are getting afraid of war, even the US is stepping down. First sign on this was US not invading Syria. North Korea might be the only thing that can sparkly a third world war. But their only allied, China, would prevent them from taking their egoistic nonsense too far.
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: fable February 26, 2014, 07:41:43 AM
I am a lover not a fighter so I support peace. Loving and forgiving is easier than war.  :)  If another world war does happen, I will be among those protesting it.
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: proxx February 26, 2014, 11:08:56 AM
I am a lover not a fighter so I support peace. Loving and forgiving is easier than war.  :)  If another world war does happen, I will be among those protesting it.
We will be side to side.
In fact if a real war breaks out where I live I will pack my bags and leave to never come back.
Dipshits so called grown-ups gtfo.
Violence is merely a sign of weakness.
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: Nowsh February 26, 2014, 02:51:40 PM
sometime you have to face the situation instead of running away
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: proxx February 26, 2014, 03:21:52 PM
sometime you have to face the situation instead of running away
Nothing to do with running, patriotism is a lie.
I will not involve myself in silly powerplay by a bunch of fools in suits.
Humanity has been failing on this topic for ages and ages.
I will simply not fight for retarded believe systems nor materialistic nonsense , Ill just seek those who are clever enough to see that there is nothing to gain in those corners.
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: pl0tuS February 26, 2014, 05:16:09 PM
To sum it all up in one word. Nukes.
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: Nowsh February 28, 2014, 06:54:25 PM
Nothing to do with running, patriotism is a lie.
I will not involve myself in silly powerplay by a bunch of fools in suits.
Humanity has been failing on this topic for ages and ages.
I will simply not fight for retarded believe systems nor materialistic nonsense , Ill just seek those who are clever enough to see that there is nothing to gain in those corners.
All i can say is that every individual views things differently.i will definitely fight for my nation if the situation demands.
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: Matriplex March 01, 2014, 12:34:07 AM
To be quite honest if another world war happened it would probably be over relatively soon. Everything would just be blown to shit just like that.
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: Code.Illusionist March 01, 2014, 01:15:30 AM
All i can say is that every individual views things differently.i will definitely fight for my nation if the situation demands.

For your nation? I see each nation as illusion to make people slaves. Don't you understand you are just born in one particular part of Earth, and somehow that place have a name and there live group of people. But people like them is equally important to you as any other person on this planet. Patriotism is way to make fools go to war and die for greedy people.

It's not cowardly to say NO to war and reject to be just another number who died for someone. If people could only understand that all the power is in their hands, not in the politic of retarded government. This is pretty hard topic to say what I have in just several sentences so I will stop.
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: sil3nt_gh0st March 04, 2014, 04:39:57 AM
To be quite honest if another world war happened it would probably be over relatively soon. Everything would just be blown to shit just like that.

But we can't just flatten out the land, that's immoral. We have to surgically kill the enemy so that we destroy homes. /sarcasm

That's how America is fighting right now. If we wanted to, we could've ended all our "wars" already.
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: Architect March 04, 2014, 03:40:23 PM
But we can't just flatten out the land, that's immoral. We have to surgically kill the enemy so that we destroy homes. /sarcasm

That's how America is fighting right now. If we wanted to, we could've ended all our "wars" already.
On the topic of thermonuclear war, there are countries with the capabilities to launch at us from the Gulf of Mexico or East China Sea even, with guided rockets. We're not the only superpower and we aren't the only country with friends. China is at an advantage because they have a superior missile defense network. Syria has even more advanced weaponry but lack ground forces like Russia or China. In all honesty, right now Russia doesn't like us. Putin is very upset at how we handled things in the past, and the Olympics, and mock us for it every day. Not to mention, ICBMs from Syria are also more potent (they can carry payloads of EMP and/or gas). While they might not understand things like we do, you saw that video of those rabbits and Sarin gas, right? Yeah, we might be strong, but we're still vulnerable. Simply, an EMP would take us back to the Stone Age, leaving us open to ground insertion by any number of invading forces. We're too cocky and some day we're gonna learn that we're not the biggest, most elite force to be reckoned.
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: proxx March 04, 2014, 04:04:18 PM
But we can't just flatten out the land, that's immoral. We have to surgically kill the enemy so that we destroy homes. /sarcasm

That's how America is fighting right now. If we wanted to, we could've ended all our "wars" already.
So does Russia.
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: Phage March 04, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
On the topic of thermonuclear war, there are countries with the capabilities to launch at us from the Gulf of Mexico or East China Sea even, with guided rockets. We're not the only superpower and we aren't the only country with friends. China is at an advantage because they have a superior missile defense network. Syria has even more advanced weaponry but lack ground forces like Russia or China. In all honesty, right now Russia doesn't like us. Putin is very upset at how we handled things in the past, and the Olympics, and mock us for it every day. Not to mention, ICBMs from Syria are also more potent (they can carry payloads of EMP and/or gas). While they might not understand things like we do, you saw that video of those rabbits and Sarin gas, right? Yeah, we might be strong, but we're still vulnerable. Simply, an EMP would take us back to the Stone Age, leaving us open to ground insertion by any number of invading forces. We're too cocky and some day we're gonna learn that we're not the biggest, most elite force to be reckoned.

Even though I agree to most of it, I do think you should look more into EMP's. I find it hard to believe that anyone is in position of an EMP at such a size.

I don't believe that nuclear war will ever occur. I do believe that all world leaders do want to live to see the next day and can see that a nuclear war will result of total destruction of the earth. Next world war will be fought in cyber space.
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: Zesh March 05, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
Even though I agree to most of it, I do think you should look more into EMP's. I find it hard to believe that anyone is in position of an EMP at such a size.

I don't believe that nuclear war will ever occur. I do believe that all world leaders do want to live to see the next day and can see that a nuclear war will result of total destruction of the earth. Next world war will be fought in cyber space.

An EMP is created after a nuclear explosion. A certain size nuclear payload placed at the right altitude could cause a nationwide blackout for the US. Also the next World War will be fought on the ground and only in part in cyberspace.
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: Phage March 05, 2014, 12:29:30 AM
I would like to see sources to confirm that! I have never heard about a nuclear explosion causing EMP's at such sizes.
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: Zesh March 05, 2014, 12:59:02 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

"A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S"
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: Architect March 05, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse

"A large device detonated at 400–500 km (250 to 312 miles) over Kansas would affect all of the continental U.S"
Zesh is correct. The Federation of American Scientists (FAS) even stated in 1998:
A high-altitude nuclear detonation produces an immediate flux of gamma rays from the nuclear reactions within the device. These photons in turn produce high energy free electrons by Compton scattering at altitudes between (roughly) 20 and 40 km. These electrons are then trapped in the Earth's magnetic field, giving rise to an oscillating electric current. This current is asymmetric in general and gives rise to a rapidly rising radiated electromagnetic field called an electromagnetic pulse (EMP). Because the electrons are trapped essentially simultaneously, a very large electromagnetic source radiates coherently.

The pulse can easily span continent-sized areas, and this radiation can affect systems on land, sea, and air. The first recorded EMP incident accompanied a high-altitude nuclear test over the South Pacific and resulted in power system failures as far away as Hawaii. A large device detonated at 400-500 km over Kansas would affect all of CONUS. The signal from such an event extends to the visual horizon as seen from the burst point.
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compton_scattering
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: Darkvision March 06, 2014, 07:07:30 PM
yup to the above things phage, Basically depending on where a nuke is set off determines what kind of damage it does, ie physical damage with some irradiation, irradiation only (but over a wider area than in the first case), EMP with little to no irradiation being the 3 "basic" ways a nuke can be used. basically correctly placed you could turn the entire world back to the dark ages with 12 well placed nukes. This being said military systems are built with this threat in mind. Meaning core electronics are either too deep to be effected or hardened to that kind of attack(primarily by using a different waffer type, its also MUCH more expensive) The real issue behind EMP attacks(or for instance an M class solar flare-this has been discussed before here btw :P ) is the infrastructure damage to things like commercial transportation and the power grid(primarily the transformers) which would leave the country at a stand still. while the technology exists to mitigate this it is not even close to widely deployed, or in some instances (such as non computerized diesel trucks) is being moved away from. As well for a society like america that is heavily industrialized this sort of attack is much worse on the civilian base than it would be in say china(or africa). basically an EMP attack is probably the single greatest threat to a nation like america that nothing is being done about.
Also as a note the same sort of thing that the amplification of an EMP is working off of is also used by radio waves(radiation!) to broadcast signals OTH depending on the frequency/atmospheric conditions the signal can be "bounced" off different layers, and even amplified.
One final note: the effects of our atmosphere to amplify signals is was not "new" information, what was "new" was the fact that we didnt realize nuclear devices had an EMP property to them, because in all of our ground/low altitude tests the primary fireball extends far further than the electromagnetic field generated. Leaving no trace/data behind to point to it. Anyway depending on atmospheric conditions at the time of detonation, regardless of yield of the device it can have either a larger, or smaller impact depending on the conditions present. Anyway their is just gobs of information about this out their on the interwbez if you want to learn more.


edit: i cant stop myself....
a great deal of hardened electronic devices(much like a nuclear hardened defense point) really just means that it can withstand a brief (single event) point of attack(or in the case of say a bunker a brief overpressurization), it is not like our satellites that have to withstand higher radiation over the course of years. Which is where things like m class or greater solar flares become an even greater danger, as its not a "brief" event. Meaning a good deal of EMP hardened technology would still fry as that kind of electromagnetic event can last several minutes(or possibly hours, but i dont believe their is any confirmation for that length of time, minutes their is however).