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Community => General discussion => : N00bHacker January 19, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
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Hey everybody,
I was wondering if any of you guys have experience with taking courses in hacking/security in China? I'm about to apply for an exchange stay in China, and I have to pick some courses, however I feel like the information on the Internet is very limited, and I can't get any help from my university or fellow students. I found these few courses/degree programs:
Peking university:
- Network Hacking and Defense: Technology and Practice
- Network and Information Security
Hunan University of Science and Technology:
- Network Attack and Defense Technology
- Network Security
- Foundations of Cryptography
Huazhong University of Science and Technology:
- Master's Degree in Information Security (can't view the individual courses)
South China University of Technology:
- Master's Degree in Information Security (can't view the individual courses either)
It would also be a great help if any of you knew how much knowledge of the Chinese language that is required. I have gotten mixed information saying everything from fluent to basically nothing :/ (I know a little Chinese already, thank goodness!)
Any information will be a great help and appreciated!
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Lol it's not cheap in China i was for 2 years there staying in Beijing for a month the food Is cheap but not the apartments I would watch and talk with other people in other country's about the student courses maybe I would choose a European country for study
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China is so expensive but a great experience.
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Yeah, I've heard that, but I'm from Europe myself and want to go somewhere else :) And the U.S. doesn't seem cheap either :/ So I thought, why not China? :) That's at least a completely different culture :)
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Wait... What? You wanna go to China to complete your postgraduate studies, and you are from Europe? Are you insane? Who would want to go to China, I've never been there but I've known more than one individual who visited China, didn't say anything good about it.
Here's my suggestion, since you are from Europe, then choose another European country that is cheap.
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Wait... What? You wanna go to China to complete your postgraduate studies, and you are from Europe? Are you insane? Who would want to go to China, I've never been there but I've known more than one individual who visited China, didn't say anything good about it.
Here's my suggestion, since you are from Europe, then choose another European country that is cheap.
I agree with axon, everyone i know says china is interesting to visit but theyd never want to live there.
And yes this is people who have been there
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come to georgia ;D
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come to georgia ;D
IDK why but this made me laugh :P
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Wait... What? You wanna go to China to complete your postgraduate studies, and you are from Europe? Are you insane? Who would want to go to China, I've never been there but I've known more than one individual who visited China, didn't say anything good about it.
Here's my suggestion, since you are from Europe, then choose another European country that is cheap.
Might be a tad insane, who knows :P and well the entire point was to go somewhere outside of Europe ;) But that aside, money isn't a big issue for me, as long as we're at European tuition levels and not U.S. standards. How come they didn't say anything good? Was that about the country, people or universities?
I agree with axon, everyone i know says china is interesting to visit but theyd never want to live there.
And yes this is people who have been there
The plan was never to stay anyway, I was just seeing as an interesting place to do studying and sightseeing at the same time.
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What are you wanting to do with said courses, find a job? out of interest?
Knowing your outcome will help us, help you.
A degree or course that gives you an Master Degree will look better, in my opinion, on your CV. I cannot tell what the first two options give you.
Also Information Security, in my experience of being on an MSc Information Security course, is that it is a lot more theoretical and centres around the protection of information, rather than purely hacking. So, learning cryptography, security management etc...
Also, the top two that mention hacking technologies. Hard to tell from here but i would again assume that this is training using the tools to hack (could be open source tools....) and i would be cautious as it may not include much theory/understanding of the protocols you are playing with.
Finally, my check as you may be required to sit exams/classes to prove you know chinese in order to live there. Those from Asia at my university are required to have an acceptable level of english before they are allowed to stay/study
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It is mostly out of interest, but I don't think it will look bad on the CV either. I have a strong interest in security, but I'm still trying to figure out exactly where I'm going and hence I think it's a good idea to try all sorts of things, both theoretical and practical. So far I've had a general introduction to basic security, security in wireless technologies (physical level as well as some protocols) and then a "hacking course" which taught different methods to mess up a machine with x86. Now there are no more courses that I can follow, and rather than wasting my time on useless random courses, I can just as well travel to a different country,learn something there and get some international experiences :)
As I've already started my Master Degree at my home university, doing an entire degree in China is not an option right now :( Which leaves me with an exchange stay as the only option.
Regarding the language proficiency: that makes really good sense! I've read a little about these tests but I still can't figure out how good I have to be at Chinese. However as you implicitly mention I will probably need to know a fair amount :P
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None of them will look bad on a CV, just Masters degrees will pull more weight than other ones, especially ones that are just degrees from universities, rather than actual certificates from recognizable bodies, CREST, CEH, CISSP etc etc...
And since you are already understaking a Masters degree, i would guide you towards a PDH or gathering a few certificates in terms of progressing your education. However, this most likely wont come with the holiday.
From the sounds of things, would you not prefer to do a summer break 2/3 months in China as a holiday (you stated that money was of little concern) and then follow one of the above options for your education? PHD will give you 3 years to decide, specialise and you get a nice DR. before your name.
I know that the above has not, even remotely, came close to answering your question but i wanted to add my thoughts. =)
From your current knowledge of security, i would steer you towards an information security course, so you can learn about networking protocols, secure channel establishment, OS architecture and memory, all forms of crypto etc, so you know what your attacking and whats going on. It should be noted that a lot (if not most) of this would be theoretical. if its anything based off my course.
I, *PERSONALLY*, just feel that learning "technology" courses is a small step above script kiddie activity. Press X to port scan, press Y to show which services are active on reported ports. Push Z to list all possible known exploits. (even though all of this is a fundamental part =P)
In the mean time, email the universities and lecturers to get a clearer picture of what is taught.
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You're probably right, but I'm not sure if I want to do a PHD (afaik it's very research oriented which I'm not sure I want to do) but it's definitely worth looking into :)
About going to China during my summer break, do you mean going there for pure fun first and then come back later on an exchange?
I totally agree with you that learning technology can be done in a very dumb way if you're just using the tool instead of understanding it. However I also strongly believe that one can get more out of a technology course by doing some further research into the theory of the used tools etc.
And I appreciate all the feedback and thoughts I can get because it's hard to think of everything yourself :) Thanks a lot for spending time on this!
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It is research orientated but you have 3 years of not working, and time off too teach yourself everything you need to know/partake in CTF games etc etc... while doing the research. It will also help you specialise which will be good for industry (whenever you plan to get a job ^^). Rather than doing a course, getting a job and maxing out your time working, and learning for your job etc. (Also, some places will pay you to study there!).
I meant that you should go for 3 months for fun then study somewhere in Europe. I would recommend somewhere they they speak and teach in your natural language. (At my university, those foreign students are getting low marks due to poor English and native speakers are getting high marks.... just remember this. In China, i am going to assume they will be teaching you in Chinese).
I agree that doing a technology course will get you the more saught after practical knowledge, however, can you tell me you are prepared to sit down and read books on Os architecture and Kernals, MMU.... Network protocols, attacks, etc etc... to cover the theory? Its soo much easy to learn code and technology because its interactive and similar to a game, so long as you have time. (however i am putting slightly more emphasis on theory than needs to be, its important but not *that* important.)
Not to worry =) always good to have someone who is going through something similar to lend a hand.
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That does sound quite comfortable :P Especially if you get paid for it! It's definitely something I will take into consideration!
Ah I see. That would also be an option, and since so many of you guys have been saying not to go to China, I guess I'll have to start looking elsewhere. Language was definitely one of my concerns regarding going to China.
And true, I probably wouldn't read THAT much, but personally I would try to understand what's happening and why, but maybe that's just me. I just believe that it is important to balance theory and practice, as well as being open to look at the existing technologies so that everything is not just theory and studies.
Yeah it's really awesome! I haven't had anyone to discuss all this with, and now I'm even getting advice on possible future choices (PhD) :)
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I come from china,If you have other questions about china
You can ask me very willing to help you :)