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Hacking and Security => Beginner's Corner => : cookiegotback November 11, 2015, 06:28:52 PM
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Hi guys,
i´ve seen here and in other websites that kali linux is used a lot!
Well, before i change my OS to Kali Linux i´d like to know (from members of evilzone, not from a shitty website in the internet) the advantages of kali linux!
Thank you so much,
EZ Opinion chosen!
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It's specifically designed for pen testing, you can install via VM or on an old laptop. it comes with a lot of great tools and software specific to pen testing.
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Kali Linux is a tool, not meant to be your main OS. Since I'm against VMs I recommend running it from a USB. Just do yourself a favor and don't run it as your primary OS. Run it as a VM or liveboot off of a USB
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Since you're looking for member opinions, cookiegotback, I'm just going to reiterate what iTpHo3NiX has already said: Don't use Kali as your main OS. Kali always runs as root and that's bad, mmkay?
Go ahead and set yourself up with another *nix distro to learn on instead. If you're looking for something similar to Kali, go with something Debian-based. You'll be able to install any of the tools that come pre-packaged on Kali as you need them, resulting in a less-bloated OS and a more focused learning experience, imo.
Edit: Are there actually two threads on this right now? :/
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I'm against VMs I recommend running it from a USB.
Why , just curious ?
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I don't have any use for them, they seem pointless to me. I'm just not a big VM user. I prefer live booting via USB. Not off a preference thing
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@OP, this question has been asked countless times, I do not even feel like linking you to the latest, but I suggest you look up a "HACKING OS COMPARE" thread, anyways in short Kali can't be your OS, and it's total crap
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Kali Linux is a tool, not meant to be your main OS. Since I'm against VMs I recommend running it from a USB. Just do yourself a favor and don't run it as your primary OS. Run it as a VM or liveboot off of a USB
Why shouldnt you run it as your main OS, say Im using a old computer should I still not run it as main?
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Why shouldnt you run it as your main OS, say Im using a old computer should I still not run it as main?
So usb boot it. I wouldn't run Kali as a main OS cause it's pointless and most of the tools you need root for. Why would you run as root full time? Just use it when you're on the job or you feel like hacking something and use a normal distro the rest of the time.
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Why shouldnt you run it as your main OS, say Im using a old computer should I still not run it as main?
Because it is not intended to. It's system infrastructure is outdated (since that's not the priority), it is full of tools you probably don't need for your daily tasks, and most importantly: it provides no benefit whatsoever besides the downsides already mentioned. You'll just end up using a slow, ugly, pre-packaged debian clone. Oh wait, that's Ubuntu. Still a bad idea. Install a serious distribution, man up, and learn something on the way. Slackware and Arch are my favourites.
And most importantly: Learn to google and search the forums before asking questions this stupid.
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I run kali in a triple boot systeem. I have the advantage of booting on a ssd without the struggle with vm and have windows as my prior os. I can easily switch to one of the three distro. They fit my needs. I don't see a disadvantage in such a dual or triple boot?
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It is just very convinient to have alot out of the box included and as other people already statet more a tool than a OS - run it live with an USB-Stick and go explore.
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I run kali in a triple boot systeem. I have the advantage of booting on a ssd without the struggle with vm and have windows as my prior os. I can easily switch to one of the three distro. They fit my needs. I don't see a disadvantage in such a dual or triple boot?
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My persistent kali USB is my BFF. The persistence is just for the sake of files and settings I like to use. Not for everyone though. Running from a VM is nice but feels like it has so many limitations, might just be my misunderstanding of VMs as a general whole.
Get a nice lil' USB, and shove that delicious Kali ISO on there. Kali won't do you any good as a main OS (especially if you want to easily play games, use common apps or I dunno... NOT risk messing up and wrecking your whole partition system. Trust me, when I was first starting with Kali as a kid I jacked up a lot of really simple things by diving in too fast).
Also, get a sense of direction. Don't start using Kali just cause "oh tonsa hackers user it lulz gud stuff brah" cause you won't learn jack squat. Kali is filled with wonderful and delicious things, but it can be overwhelming when you don't know where to start. Pick a tool or a purpose, and learn from there.
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I'm just curious. If you guys aren't running Kali in a VM as a part of a pen testing lab alongside some other vulnerable OS to experiment pen testing with, then whose computers are you practicing on? lol ;D
Anyway, OP, maybe you could get a normal distro and learn how to install the tools as you need them? I feel like Kali is pretty overwhelming for a beginner. If you see a tutorial using Kali all you'd need to do is simply google how to install the tools used in the tutorial for the distro you're using. I'm not sure, but I always assumed that maybe the reason books and tutorials use Kali is so they don't have to waste time instructing the student how to install the tools.
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I'm just curious. If you guys aren't running Kali in a VM as a part of a pen testing lab alongside some other vulnerable OS to experiment pen testing with, then whose computers are you practicing on? lol ;D
Considering most of what I do is wireless auditing, my router is usually the target, laptop 1 is usually Kali, laptop 2, desktop, and phones are usually clients and allows me to practice. Theoretically, when I get bored I go wardriving and break into neighbors routers.
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I run kali in a triple boot systeem. I have the advantage of booting on a ssd without the struggle with vm and have windows as my prior os. I can easily switch to one of the three distro. They fit my needs. I don't see a disadvantage in such a dual or triple boot?
If your other partitions and/or disks are not encrypted then there is the disadvantage of "if my Kali gets owned, all my personal files are compromised".
There is also disadvantage of "if my Kali gets owned, it stays owned" in contrast with running Live USB or immutable VM.
However if you are not doing shady things, you should be ok =)
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If your other partitions and/or disks are not encrypted then there is the disadvantage of "if my Kali gets owned, all my personal files are compromised".
There is also disadvantage of "if my Kali gets owned, it stays owned" in contrast with running Live USB or immutable VM.
However if you are not doing shady things, you should be ok =)
Ok, thank you. I googled for running in persistence and saw a small light in distance, but the light is coming closer now :D
Apparently, the triple boot was a bad idea
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I'm still on the grind with Kali, but wouldn't it be fine to run it as a different user and the sudo command? I know it doesn't work all the time, but it could be a viable option.
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I'm still on the grind with Kali, but wouldn't it be fine to run it as a different user and the sudo command? I know it doesn't work all the time, but it could be a viable option.
sure. so long as that user is root.
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I'm still on the grind with Kali, but wouldn't it be fine to run it as a different user and the sudo command? I know it doesn't work all the time, but it could be a viable option.
It would, but Kali still sucks if you try to use it as your main distro =)
If you want to have persistent Linux and use all the tools found in Kali (without manually installing them 1 by 1), you can for instance run Ubuntu with kalibuntu PPA (https://launchpad.net/~darklordpaunik8880/+archive/ubuntu/kalibuntu), or by installing blackarch (http://blackarch.org/downloads.html) on top of your Arch, etc.
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sure. so long as that user is root.
Really? I thought you could get away with using the tools if you used the sudo command and not be root?
It would, but Kali still sucks if you try to use it as your main distro =)
If you want to have persistent Linux and use all the tools found in Kali (without manually installing them 1 by 1), you can for instance run Ubuntu with kalibuntu PPA (https://launchpad.net/~darklordpaunik8880/+archive/ubuntu/kalibuntu), or by installing blackarch (http://blackarch.org/downloads.html) on top of your Arch, etc.
I wouldn't use it as a main distro, I use it off a VM for playing around with or liveUSB. I'm not one for putting it as my main distro and then using it for photo editing. What a waste.
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Really? I thought you could get away with using the tools if you used the sudo command and not be root?
Their may be a way around it, and i would argue considering its linux their is, but to me the simplest/easiest solution is just to install the tools you want/need and fuck the rest of that noise.
Dont get me wrong i can see the advantages of kali on a live USB, since you can boot any system into your tool set, but you could do the same still with any other distro and the tools you want, with greater compatibility, and more out of the box control. IMO the ONLY argument that can be made is as a company using it for pentesting since its a "known" environmental variables. For any home user id say set your own shit up.
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https://www.kali.org (https://www.kali.org) is a good distribution because it has allot of tools ready for use, or available on the repositories.
I use Kali Linux Light (with some extra tools installed afterwards) in a virtual machine, and it works for study/testing. Not so much for wifi related stuff.
USB is a good solution for "working" with Kali, it _could_ work with wifi, but not so much for study/testing.
And even if adding a new user is not difficult, I can't see Kali as a main system or in dual boot. It is after all a dangerous tool.
And there are other security centered distributions around, like https://www.backbox.org (https://www.backbox.org) or https://labs.fedoraproject.org/security/ (https://labs.fedoraproject.org/security/); my advice would be to run an entire lab in virtual machines, attack and victim machines alike (try http://sourceforge.net/projects/metasploitable/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/metasploitable/) for example), and choose a distribution after trying more than one.
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I'd quite like to try BlackArch as well at some point. Still trying to find the time to get through python, though.
Their may be a way around it, and i would argue considering its linux their is, but to me the simplest/easiest solution is just to install the tools you want/need and fuck the rest of that noise.
Dont get me wrong i can see the advantages of kali on a live USB, since you can boot any system into your tool set, but you could do the same still with any other distro and the tools you want, with greater compatibility, and more out of the box control. IMO the ONLY argument that can be made is as a company using it for pentesting since its a "known" environmental variables. For any home user id say set your own shit up.
Good advice. I can certainly take this one up, but would you have a preferred OS for doing this? Talis? Mint? Maybe make your own using the linux guide?