EvilZone
Community => General discussion => : Eclipse20 January 07, 2016, 04:23:10 PM
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Hey there,
So, let's cut the crap and start where the core is.
I am on the forum for quite a few days now, but I can't seem to progress in what I want to learn.
I am someone who has never hacked before, but tried and tried and tried, but never with success.
So.. I've been searching the forums, but I never seem to find what I want to find.
Am I searching the wrong way?
Am I asking too much from myself as a newbie?
All I want to learn (FOR NOW!), are just some basics, a little push in my back to keep going and progressing.
Basics like obtaining people their IP-adress from for example a Minecraft server, Facebook, or anything like that.
To be able to trace people from that. Just these tiny little basic abilities to keep myself motivated, instead of bailing out too early, like I did with almost everything in my life until now. This time, I REALLY want to learn. I really feel like I can be someone in this community. But, let's start from scratch!
So, anyone has some tips for me?
I installed a vm + ubuntu 15.10 now, so I'm good to go! :)
Thankyou for reading this
~Eclipse20
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You say that you want to learn the basics but you want to skip right into hacking ..
You want to get an IP from mine craft server well learn NETWORKING .
To learn the basics start with the basics Networking, Programming and so on.
Just my opinion :o
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People often come to this forum to the illusion that you can quickly become a hacking professional just by reading a few posts and asking some questions. However I've learned that hacking in more of a mindset and a life style. Simply wanting to "hack" just to show off or teach someone a lesson or look cool in front of your friends is not how you should approach learning hacking. These factors can be part of the reason but you really have to ask yourself, why am I trying to learn this? And if you don't have a deep seeded reason, you won't get very far.
Not to put you off, just think about it
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Your post sounds like a bad troll attempt and shows zero self-motivation.
I mean you can talk big and say that you've tried over and over again, to feel better about yourself, yet I believe you've never even googled about what a IP really is.. And that doesn't leave a good impression on the community.
If you really want to know some of the basics, grab a copy of TCP/IP Illustrated(maybe a little bit outdated, but still top-notch knowledge) and lose yourself in this book. Or start with the OSI model. Or write a gui in visual basic to track IPs in facebook.
This sounded maybe a little bit harsh, but questions like yours are polluting the community and forum and this is not okay.
I installed a vm + ubuntu 15.10 now, so I'm good to go!
That was funny.
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Google is your friend.
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I'm new on here too, but speaking as someone with background knowledge in Computer Science you cant just learn the basics of hacking. It doesn't work like that. You need to have a good foundation knowledge in programming and networking. Read books, Google shit, start from the very bottom and work your way up man. Don't learn how to break systems, but UNDERSTAND THEM. It sounds like total tech-hippie bullshit but it's true.
Try learning some of the basics of the more common and useful stuff your likely to encounter on the net - HTML, ASP, PHP, SQL, Java Script etc.
Learn some of the basics of a common Object-Oriented programming language Java, C++ ... etc. this will give you a firm understanding of the basic concepts used in coding and will help you pickup other languages used for scripting when you need them.
Also, learn the basics of networking. You can't expect to go around snooping IP's if you don't understand how the protocol stacks work, or have familiarity with things like the OSI TCP/IP model (I mean you could but you shouldn't).
There are some great tools online, I haven't used it myself but code academy might be a good shout. Also CISCO may well have some good materials published.
Hope this helps,
Happy Hunting.
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Thankyou guys for your reactions.
Thanks to you I know what to do and where to start.
I will not be VERY active the first 1 or 2 weeks, because I've bought books to learn Java, Html-5 and Networking.
So I got my hands full of that now, and whenever I progress, I will be more active on the forum!
Once again thanks for the advice, I will be back with more knowledge!
~Eclipse20
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People, easy on him.
First little boy, You can´t be an Hacker without having some "computer" concepts on your head first as you can´t build engines without knowing math, as you can´t being president without knowing how to lie ( :P ).
I know that is hard to start. You don´t know where you should start , what you should learn, the path you should follow...
I´m going to try to help you
First of all read this : https://evilzone.org/hacking-and-security/where-to-start-with-hacking/
Then read a book, you can find those on evilwiki, even though u won´t have access (cause you dont have many posts) you will be able to know its names. The good about books, it that they tell you a lot more than you expect. You want to be a "website hacking" , you gotta know how networks work, so go find a book about it.
Evilzone wont explain you every single thing, but it will tell you many websites, tools, even tutorials for you to increase your skills.
After learning the basics you can start hacking, watch some tutorials, grab a tool (e.g: kali linux) and explore it...
Be patient
If you like what i wrote pls give me a cookie or a thank you
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Thankyou Cookiegotback,
You pushed me precisely in the right direction. I am already busy reading things about networking, tho I need to read the most of the things twice before understanding them. But hey, better something, than nothing at all right?
I'll be focussing on my exams on school first, then I'm launching myself into the books and pdf files some classmates sent me.
Thankyou for the advices, I feel accepted here :)
Keep it up guys,
~Eclipse20
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Although I'm a noob. I can honestly say it took months of stress and problem solving before actually developing my first "hack" as you might say. The issue is about commitment, resources can only carry you so far because the end result is that it's YOU it comes down to. It's weather you have the motivation. Despite your resources for learning (there's a lot) none of it will matter if you don't accept the time and commitment it takes to learning this sort of thing, it's baby steps, not quite something a post or video can solely teach you. (at least from my minimal experience, like I said I'm a noob)
But all bull-crap philosophy aside I recommend getting a mentor. Whether he/she be on this forum or somewhere else. That's been the biggest help for me.
YouTube is fantastic as well. Just like you're doing right now, don't be shy mate and feel free to ask questions within the forum. (just make sure it's not something YouTube can easily answer for you) I've learned they don't like that too much here :p
You can always message me if there's anything specific I might be able to help with!
cheers mate!
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I can't help you much there. You know it's like trying to show someone how to break an egg it seems easy for the guy showing it to you but it's still not easy for you. First of all you need to understand the concepts just be able to follow the tutorials or videos or ebooks you read in the right way. If I show someone in my class what I do they would not understand it even when repeat it for the hundreth time. Someone who never had to do something with computers is going to complain about things that are simple because he has never seen them before. And for your question about how to get someones ip address. There is a little command in cmd: netstat -ano. Just chat with the person on facebook and you are connected with the person(you basic information). And now you have to trace the ip addresses and look for the right one.-->the remote ip
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Your post sounds like a bad troll attempt and shows zero self-motivation.
I mean you can talk big and say that you've tried over and over again, to feel better about yourself, yet I believe you've never even googled about what a IP really is.. And that doesn't leave a good impression on the community.
If you really want to know some of the basics, grab a copy of TCP/IP Illustrated(maybe a little bit outdated, but still top-notch knowledge) and lose yourself in this book. Or start with the OSI model. Or write a gui in visual basic to track IPs in facebook.
This sounded maybe a little bit harsh, but questions like yours are polluting the community and forum and this is not okay.
It did seem a bit harsh. Worse, it seemed counter-productive.
Supposedly, this is supposed to be a "community" to communicate and share knowledge with people who have similar interests.
The OP came asking advice, acknowledging that they have had issues with quitting things in the past due to lack of motivation and other factors, and were asking people who have maybe been there before, and come through it, for advice.
Immediately insulting someone and shutting them down isn't the best way to handle that.
Especially with this push by admins for a "more active community" where they are encouraging people to post more.
If this is the typical response that can be expected upon posting, I wouldn't expect to see many new, lasting active members.
But perhaps people on here would prefer it to remain a small community of "elites."
Maybe it is an ego boost?
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I can totally empathize with the OP.
That is kind of where I am now. My specific problem is that there is such an over-abundance of information, I have trouble choosing and sticking with a starting point.
The other problem I have is that much of the information available is written to an audience that already has some understanding of given topic. I know, for example, that a good place to start would be with networking basics, but as I don't have much of an existing knowledge base, it is difficult for me to find good sources for beginners that are not out of date.
If I don't have a good understanding of networks, how can I tell if the info in a source is outdated, as I have no basis of comparison.
I would greatly appreciate any suggestions and advice.
Unless it is just to tell me I am a n00b, which I already know, so that would really just be a waste of your time, and mine (unless talking down to people makes you feel superior, then by all means, ego boost away)
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Something i have learned over time is that even if something seems incredibly outdated, newer stuff usually builds on those outdated basics.
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Why is this such a difficult recurring topic? I've lost track of the number of posts on the boards here asking where do I start, how do I do this what is the best.........
Which is followed by the same general answer "It depends" or "what do you want to do?", or even some snarky insult.
It really isn't that hard of a concept to grasp that it doesn't matter where you start, it will eventually all tie into what you want to end up doing. You can start by learning how networking works, or you can start by learning a programming language it doesn't matter since you need to at least learn both before you can effectively do anything. Once you are confident enough that you know how to break it, fix it, and exploit move to the next topic and continue to practice.
There is not likely to be one golden source of information for any given topic. A prime example is the numerous posts asking what the best programming language for hacking is. There is none, and even within a specific language there is not a single all inclusive book. One of the most recent examples I read was on recommendations for learning python where one of the most commonly recommended books was Black Hat Python. I have that and am currently waiting on copies of the others suggested in the topic. Why? Because while it is a very well written book, from what I have been through so far, it deals mostly with practical application but minimal explanations. Type this code, then selects a few lines of code and then gives a general explanation of what it does. For someone with an intermediate to advanced knowledge of the language this is great, but without understanding what every command does then it is pointless to someone just beginning. the one thing that I do like is that the author points out that the lines of code in the book are not perfect, they are quick and dirty examples of how to write for a particular objective. To me, that presents a a better learning opportunity because not only can I see how someone that does this professionally writes, I can look at it and see try and figure out how to improve on it, or add my own style (for lack of a better way of putting it).
I guess what I am saying quit asking "what do I do?" decide what you want to do, figure out what you need to learn to be able to do it, and then just start learning it. When you get stuck fire up a search engine find an answer, if after several hours of failed attempts, then maybe ask for help.
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Great answer Biohazard.
I think part of the reason this question comes up so often is that while all roads may lead to the same objective destination, everyone learns differently. So a person may read numerous threads on the same topic, and try various answers, and not find one that clicks for them. So they ask other people, hoping to get a suggestion that works for them.
You are absolutely correct that the best way to truly learn any subject is to practice and use the knowledge yourself instead of just asking others. That is why it is so problematic the way the school system (at least in the US) works. We are taught to listen to "experts" and follow their instructions, not to critically think about a problem and figure out how to solve it.
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Thanks r4k00n - Unfortunately, I think you are being a little too optimistic in regards to the first part of your response. However, you are dead on in the second part, to a point.
People in general want the quickest easiest answer with the least amount of effort, with the Internet that expectation has only become worse. I am not saying that your view is incorrect, just that most of the time your version is not the bore out in reality. In fact, your response is contradictory in this regards. In some, rare, cases a question will be asked after the effort has been made to get to the answer. However, more often than not, the ingrained expectation to be spoon fed answers precludes any effort to self education.
I may be in the minority, in that I spend time trying to read between the lines before responding to a question. First, do I understand what is being asked, in other words do I know enough to either answer or point the person in the right direction. Does the person asking show enough knowledge to understand the answer? Finally, has the person asking given any indication that they have made any effort to find the answer themselves. The latter is usually glaringly obvious when they ask a broad question. The more specific a question, the more informed the asker is, I can't think of a single example that this does not hold up.
With all that said, I agree with you that most of this is due, in large part, to how kids are educated in in primary school, and to some degree, depending on their major, in college. Critical thinking, is not a skill that is emphasized until college level in most cases. Prior to that it is a matter of memorizing and regurgitating set of required curriculum.
The problem with this debate is that with the ease of access to information that the Internet provides this becomes less of a reason and more of a bad excuse. For example, if you do a search for what is the best languange to learn for hacking. You will come across countless links to answers, in these links you will find a wealth of responses saying essentially the same thing, none of which is a direct definitive answer. At some point something in your brain should click and the realization that the question was not specific enough should come as a serious pimp slap. If you cannot understand the countless responses that generally run along the lines of "it depends on what you want to do" you do not possess the common sense, or critical thinking required to get your answer. In other words if you are going to post the same question for the 1, 000, 001st time you do not have what it takes to go any further.
This may seem harsh, but regardless of how a person is taught, at some point questions should arise because the information doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter if it is in grade school, high school, or college the answers given are not going to be sufficient. This is less a function of being taught critical thinking and more a factor of intelligence. If you sit through and not question what you are being taught, particularly as a teenager, there is less of a problem with the system, and more of one with yourself.
For this forum in particular if you are content being a spoon fed sheep then you really have no business here. If you are unwilling to make the effort to learn, you have no business here. If you are not going to take the time to read the scant few stickies here, you have no business here. Or at the very least you you have no excuse for getting butt hurt when you are called out.
In the end I understand where you are coming from and do not disagree that they are, to some degree very valid points. Believe it or not I am not trying to call you out on the carpet specifically for your viewpoints, because I do agree that the school system is part of the problem, not just in the US. What I am trying to get at is at some point that excuse no longer holds against personal responsibility and accountability. This is a world wide societal issue to one degree or another no matter what part of the world you are in or the topic you are discussing.
To try and give some perspective for the responses that are abrupt, snarky, or down right rude consider a tech support tech. You get a call from several customers a day saying asking why their computer/internet isn't working. Right off the bat, what isn't working? How many things can you think of that would fall under "not working"? Now you have to ask a series of questions to determine what isn't working, relying at least on a customers ability to describe in even basic detail what they are talking about. Depending on their ability to do so you either quickly, or more likely over a long series of q&a determine the power cord is not plugged in to the computer or modem, or that it is just one web site the can't access. How many times a day do you think you can deal with this type of customer without hitting the mute button and ranting? Granted the problem with the scenario is that there is nothing forcing anyone to respond here. But the point is still the same you hear that customer once, you know damned well that that is the same idiot that is going to keep calling and whining every time he breaks something that is so far over his head he has no business messing with it.
Or perhaps go to your high school physics teacher and expect him to explain quantum entanglement to you as a freshman. It may seem like a simple question, but without some more than basic knowledge what are you going to get out of their answer that you can really use practically?
This has ended up being a lot more long winded than I had intended, but the more I thought about it as I was writing the more annoyed I got. It isn't about being superior, I guess it is more about making the point of thinking before you speak, and having the maturity to be responsible for your own learning.
Although this started out as a response to r4k00n, it ended up being a far more general response to the OP and others with similar dispositions.
Bottom line: Ignorance is a choice, not an excuse. If you choose to ignorantly jump into the fray without being responsible enough to make the effort to learn yourself you don't have much of excuse to be butt hurt when you get roasted for it.