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Community => News and Announcements => : iTpHo3NiX February 26, 2016, 09:07:46 PM
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Fellow EvilZone members,
Today was like every other day and I decided to hop on my good pal EZ. To my dismay I went to look at my unread topics and I clicked on a few. In any case that set me off. I've been sickend by the shear crap that's being tolerated and I decided to change that. I hopped on IRC and asked if anyone cared about the forum was on and TheWormKill was the only reply to it. I got the opinion of the active members in the channel and have decided that anyone who is in the NULL category makes a post, it will automatically go into a moderation queue and requires approval from a Mod, GMod, Admin, or Owner. With this, will keep our current staff busy so I elected to promote TheWormKill to GMod as he has been a local mod for our most problematic boards for a while now.
Message to current Local Mods
If we end up being in need of more staff whether it be for a specific category or globally to assist, let me know if you're interested.
Hopefully we can break this shit post downward spiral.
So everyon, welcome the reaper of worms, thewormkill, to our staff team
<thewormkill sneaking his message in>
thanks everyone :)
</thewormkill out>
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All hail thewormkill , good luck with all the shit posts ;D
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Finally!
I can come back and read things here now without worrying about my eyeballs melting and getting a hernia! :D
(Thanks thewormkill!)
Also, good thinking about the limitations on the NULL category,
now it may deter those who come on and expect to be rewarded after posting nonsense until their fingers fall off.
Good luck, you guys have your work cut out for ya.
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Just a question of curiosity, i know it's probably more common sense, but i just want to be sure. How the new moderation of the topics made by null users will be classified? Standard shitty topic/Good topic or will have to follow some instruction rules like: Introduction of the Problem/Topic, and the development of it?
Hope to not get trashed by this kinda retorical question, but i was banned before by the same reasons for you guys(administrators in general) made this new law for topics. And btw, i totally agree with it, the admins in here always tried to make the forum better. Im sure this decision was made because it was necessary.
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Just a question of curiosity, i know it's probably more common sense, but i just want to be sure. How the new moderation of the topics made by null users will be classified? Standard shitty topic/Good topic or will have to follow some instruction rules like: Introduction of the Problem/Topic, and the development of it?
Hope to not get trashed by this kinda retorical question, but i was banned before by the same reasons for you guys(administrators in general) made this new law for topics. And btw, i totally agree with it, the admins in here always tried to make the forum better. Im sure this decision was made because it was necessary.
First 5 posts get moderated. All info is in the stickies IFS how to post. If their threads don't get approved then they know that they need to fix it. If you can make 5 pledges tart make it through, you're lucky. If not Chinese back when you can contribute quality
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About the new restrictions of null users, you guys think about take off the book restrictions of -20 post members? I may be talking trash, but since i comeback i didn't see the wiki of the forum, just a post talking that the administration took it off, but i suppose the E-Books Section still in the air, only available once you reach 20 post. A great part of the shitty topics/posts in the forum isn't about new members trying to get previleges? If i may give an idea, and you guys don't want to take of the restrictions, won't be a more intuitive way instead of blocking the restriction for posts, to change it to topics? Because that way, to get the previleges, the user will have to come up with good content, not only spam posts. I already see inumerals users here just spamming to get the access.
But if you guys did indeed take the E-books and software(if i remember well there was a software part), i apologize, and feel free to remove this post, or notify me to do it. Just a suggestion to help the moderation in someway.
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I'm sorry for double posting, i will remove this post after you or somebody else answer me, but about the new restrictions of null users, you guys think about take off the book restrictions of -20 post members? I may be talking trash, but since i comeback i didn't see the wiki of the forum, just a post talking that the administration took it off, but i suppose the E-Books Section still in the air, only available once you reach 20 post. A great part of the shitty topics/posts in the forum isn't about new members trying to get previleges? If i may give an idea, and you guys don't want to take of the restrictions, won't be a more intuitive way instead of blocking the restriction for posts, to change it to topics? Because that way, to get the previleges, the user will have to come up with good content, not only spam posts. I already see inumerals users here just spamming to get the access.
But if you guys did indeed take the E-books and software(if i remember well there was a software part), i apologize, and feel free to remove this post, or notify me to do it. It was just a suggestion to help the moderation in someway.
The main problem is that we get a lot of thank-you-nice-find posts, as well as topics that are just useless.
So lifting the restriction on one of those categrories wouln't be of help. It would also make the job harder because you can't filter posts proactively, and they contribute to the overall bad quality of the forums before they are removed. Making posting for new members approval-only is IMO a good step towards senseful moderation.
As for the eBooks: Well, they are there, and available after 20 posts. Given the reasons above, as well as the extensive discussion in the News and Announcements thread, I think I don't need to reiterate why ;).
The wiki, however, is down and was suppposed to be replaced, but that didn't happen yet.
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As for the eBooks: Well, they are there, and available after 20 posts. Given the reasons above, as well as the extensive discussion in the News and Announcements thread, I think I don't need to reiterate why ;).
The wiki, however, is down and was suppposed to be replaced, but that didn't happen yet.
DCMA is a problem. No publically searchable links make it very difficult for Copyright trolls to report our content via DCMA.
As for the wiki, it went down because a vulnerability was discovered in December, and IPS was supposed to launch Jan 1st which would've rendered the wiki useless.
I hope that helps answer some questions
Also the benefit of this is no one can spam their way to 20 posts. They can try, but they won't get very far
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I like this guy. Belated congrats dude.
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Questions for clarification purposes:
Would the moderation que be handled by one particular admin, or will multiple admins be working on it?
If it was only one admin, that could be problematic for a couple of reasons; for one that could be a lot for one person alone to have to read through and process. Perhaps that won't be an issue here, as it doesn't seem like there are tons of posts..... something to consider though.
Also, if it is one person only, what safeguards are in place to keep that person from using that power to silence posters they don't agree with, or don't like?
Also, is there a guide that details the exact grounds a post can be denied on, or is it entirely up to the whim and preference of whichever mod is tasked with approving posts?
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Questions for clarification purposes:
Would the moderation que be handled by one particular admin, or will multiple admins be working on it?
If it was only one admin, that could be problematic for a couple of reasons; for one that could be a lot for one person alone to have to read through and process. Perhaps that won't be an issue here, as it doesn't seem like there are tons of posts..... something to consider though.
Also, if it is one person only, what safeguards are in place to keep that person from using that power to silence posters they don't agree with, or don't like?
If you read my OP, Mods, GMods, Admins, and Owner user class can apprive posts. That means there are like 10+ eyes on it for approvals. Fact of the matter is any of the above can delete, remove, lock any post for any reason they seem fit at any time.
Also, is there a guide that details the exact grounds a post can be denied on, or is it entirely up to the whim and preference of whichever mod is tasked with approving posts?
There are several threads that explain various posting guidelines. It's pretty much community choice. Read through the FAQ right here (https://evilzone.org/members-introduction/important-faq/msg113951/#msg113951)
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If you read my OP, Mods, GMods, Admins, and Owner user class can apprive posts. That means there are like 10+ eyes on it for approvals. Fact of the matter is any of the above can delete, remove, lock any post for any reason they seem fit at any time.
There are several threads that explain various posting guidelines. It's pretty much community choice. Read through the FAQ right here (https://evilzone.org/members-introduction/important-faq/msg113951/#msg113951)
So essentially, there are no checks in place to stop a mod from silencing anything they don't personally agree with? Doesn't sound like a terribly good way to allow for diversity in view points.
Then you said this:
"There are several threads that explain various posting guidelines. It's pretty much community choice."
But is it really "community choice" if the entirety of the decision making is on as you put "10+" admins with no process for appeals, oversight of admin behavior, or open votes on rules?
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am being silenced, derp
We don't choose retards for mods and we all moderate equally. There has been many situations where mods/admins could of silenced other people, but that didn't happen. We are all tolerant, maybe even too much sometimes, so you don't worry about that.
Also if you feel that your post was deleted for not reason, you can always let us know and we'll investigate...
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So essentially, there are no checks in place to stop a mod from silencing anything they don't personally agree with? Doesn't sound like a terribly good way to allow for diversity in view points.
I don't have the impression that people are being silenced very fast. The stupid topics (which even I find stupid) are fast closed and put in the board of shame. All other topics get a chance of evolving in a good topic.
I think the mods are tolerant enough.
This said, I also went looking (through tapatalk) to other forums about hacking. I was a bit curious. For exemple ISA hacking crew and offensive community. I find this forum (evilzone) much more mature than the other 2. They are much more bloaty and most of the postings are of a low quality. Often just spam to be honest.
Lately, I haven't check the other 2 forums anymore (did it for 3days or so), but evilzone I check every day .I'm not able to reply every time (don't want to spam) but I do read as much as I can.
Enough cock-sucking for now,I'm getting emotional ;)
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Wait so were some of the boards removed or is it that I can't see them because I am null?
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So essentially, there are no checks in place to stop a mod from silencing anything they don't personally agree with? Doesn't sound like a terribly good way to allow for diversity in view points.
Then you said this:
"There are several threads that explain various posting guidelines. It's pretty much community choice."
But is it really "community choice" if the entirety of the decision making is on as you put "10+" admins with no process for appeals, oversight of admin behavior, or open votes on rules?
Do you really not read anything I've posted? Doesn't matter if an Mod-Owner silence you. They can do so without this change. Our rules have always been up to interpretation by the staff. If you don't like it you can GTFO. Nothing changes for users with over 5 posts, everything else is the same. Dunno why I need to keep repeating myself.
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It is odd to me that when I asked if there is a check on admin power in any way, people got angry.
If you read my posts in this thread, you will notice that I never accused any individual mod, or the mods on here in general of silencing anyone, or of abusing their mod power.
I never stated that I felt like I was silenced myself, or in any way targeted or treated unfairly.
This thread is about some changes to policy in regards to censorship, and extension of moderation power (I understand mods could always remove posts, this thread is talking about increasing mod censorship) and whenever something like that comes up in a forum, or any community it is always prudent to discuss ways to protect all forum or community members (even countries have constitutions or other documents that lay out methods to try to ensure fair use of leadership powers).
Do you really not read anything I've posted? Doesn't matter if an Mod-Owner silence you. They can do so without this change. Our rules have always been up to interpretation by the staff. If you don't like it you can GTFO. Nothing changes for users with over 5 posts, everything else is the same. Dunno why I need to keep repeating myself.
Why the hostility here? Why turn to insults?
It is sentiments like this that make me concerned that mod abuse of power could potentially be a problem.
Apparently some mods are not secure enough to handle a lowly member of community questioning their ideas. Lack of being open to criticism is a pretty sever flaw for leaders to have.
Again, I want to point out that nowhere in my previous posts on this thread did I insult anyone, or make any accusations. So those kind of insulting, heavy handed replies are pretty unnecessary,
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It is odd to me that when I asked if there is a check on admin power in any way, people got angry.
If you read my posts in this thread, you will notice that I never accused any individual mod, or the mods on here in general of silencing anyone, or of abusing their mod power.
I never stated that I felt like I was silenced myself, or in any way targeted or treated unfairly.
This thread is about some changes to policy in regards to censorship, and extension of moderation power (I understand mods could always remove posts, this thread is talking about increasing mod censorship) and whenever something like that comes up in a forum, or any community it is always prudent to discuss ways to protect all forum or community members (even countries have constitutions or other documents that lay out methods to try to ensure fair use of leadership powers).
Why the hostility here? Why turn to insults?
It is sentiments like this that make me concerned that mod abuse of power could potentially be a problem.
Apparently some mods are not secure enough to handle a lowly member of community questioning their ideas. Lack of being open to criticism is a pretty sever flaw for leaders to have.
Again, I want to point out that nowhere in my previous posts on this thread did I insult anyone, or make any accusations. So those kind of insulting, heavy handed replies are pretty unnecessary,
Your questions were repetitive and iT got annoyed after some iterations. Given the size of the staff, power abuse is unlikely and I don't know of any cases so far (you can always ask someone else if you feel treated in an unfair manner). To stop this discussion now, I close the thread, it's derailed anyway:
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