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Encyclopedia Galactica => Science => : z3ro October 14, 2012, 08:47:42 AM
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Heyy guys, do you think aliens exists?
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Yeah, why not. If we can exist in this universe then why aliens cannot?
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This is a big question. I would say there is no definite answer. It is a possibility. We can say with certainty that they can exist. But due to the lack of proof it is not certain.
There is no reason for them to not exist but there is no proof of their existence
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no we are alone in our cold universe
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Who the hell is idiot that thinks their is only life on earth in the space which is so large that no one can think of its limits.
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This is a big question. I would say there is no definite answer. It is a possibility. We can say with certainty that they can exist. But due to the lack of proof it is not certain.
There is no reason for them to not exist but there is no proof of their existence
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/guatemala-cooperate-doc-about-mayans-and-aliens-31162There is no proof, yet... :)
Edit: For whom it may interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_astronauts
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It remains an open question, science neither denies nor proofs the existence of ET's
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation)
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I can't believe our earth is the only lucky planet supporting life, out of Million Million Million x 10^n galaxies in the universe. What if the governments are covering up the alien incidents, or there may be organizations dealing with aliens just like in MIB(Men In Black).
Remember it's not impossible, it's not yet possible.
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Yeah, I think it's weird how people are so critical of the possibility of aliens, it really wouldnt make since for only 1 planet in infinity to have life. I don't think the government is covering up anything though, because if it were, darpa would be making some way better stuff or not saying what they are making at all. And challenge.gov wouldn't need people to fix robocalls for a huge prize. Plus a lot of other stuff.
But yeah, noone really knows.
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I say yay. There are plenty of planets being discovered that have similar conditions to earth. Plus, you gotta think, there are alot of different kinds of life. Just because a planet isn't similar to earth doesn't mean that it can't have some other kind of life.
There are living organisms inside of volcanoes...
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(http://www.troll.me/images/ancient-aliens-guy/im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-but-it-was-aliens.jpg)
Even though science cannot prove this and even though we have not seen others, does not mean there are none. Universe is endless, no one know what is happening beyond our universe... I truly believe there are other life forms out there...
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"We only have to look at ourselves to see how intelligent life might develop into something we wouldn't want to meet,"
Most extraterrestrial life would be similar to microbes, or small animals. Microbial life might exist far beneath the Martian surface, where liquid water is thought to trickle through the rock. Marine creatures might also conceivably live in huge oceans of water beneath a miles-thick layer of ice on Europa, a moon of Jupiter.
But if a scientific census could be extended beyond our solar system to the rest of the Milky Way and beyond, the odds in favor of life's existence rise dramatically.
Another possibility is that intelligence itself might be inimical to life. Humanity has put itself on the edge of its own destruction by creating nuclear bombs and other weapons of mass destruction.
If the same holds for intelligent aliens, then they might not last long. :P Perhaps they all blew themselves up soon after they discover that E=mc2. If civilizations take billions of years to evolve, only to vanish virtually overnight, then sadly we've next to no chance of hearing from them...
or maybe.. soon they'll find us.. and then.. :-\
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Not to turn this into a UFO thread, but my mom worked for a good number of years in an Air Force radio town in Birch Bay, WA. There were so many incidents dealing with that particular tower and so many UFO sightings in that tower that most of her military career is classified. She's never once mentioned to me that she worked in that tower, I found out from my sister (because she was around when mom worked in it).
I believe that there HAS to be SOMETHING else living out there in the universe. The UFO sightings and other weird shit like the Bermuda Triangle and other similar areas, it could be just something we're overlooking. Kindof like when people see "ghosts" when they're in an area of strong EMF's. Even if that's all it is, just us freaking out over things we can't explain, there still has to be something else out there. After all, NASA did find a planet that could support human life, it's just a couple degrees warmer..
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It would be an awfully large waste of space if we are alone out here.
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It would be an awfully large waste of space if we are alone out here.
No, it'll be a blessing... We don't know if the others are hostile.
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Im sure it exists.
If the universe is infinite its does for sure.
The universe is so large that the chance it doesnt exist is much smaller than the other way around.
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No, it'll be a blessing... We don't know if the others are hostile.
When you really think about it, why would they be hostile? If humans encountered another race, our first instinct (as a whole) would hopefully be to study and learn from them, not destroy them. Of course they aren't humans, maybe some warring clan system (been watching/reading way to much sci fi...), and if in that case, I doubt they would have the technology to actually dent the human population.
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Perhaps they are religious... Then we are REALLY screwed.
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When you really think about it, why would they be hostile? If humans encountered another race, our first instinct (as a whole) would hopefully be to study and learn from them, not destroy them. Of course they aren't humans, maybe some warring clan system (been watching/reading way to much sci fi...), and if in that case, I doubt they would have the technology to actually dent the human population.
This. You see, if aliens were to come to Earth, I would expect them to be curious and want to study us, not be hostile. But, as you see in most movies, humans are fighting back against them because they feel threatened. What if we were to go to another planet with intentions of studying them, and we seemed aggressive to them? It's not what our intentions are, it's what our intentions appear to be.
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When you really think about it, why would they be hostile? If humans encountered another race, our first instinct (as a whole) would hopefully be to study and learn from them, not destroy them. Of course they aren't humans, maybe some warring clan system (been watching/reading way to much sci fi...), and if in that case, I doubt they would have the technology to actually dent the human population.
Ok.. A bit of history.
Stone tools.. The first technology we had, were weapons firs, other uses came later.
Fire .. I bet they used it to kill each other and animals before using it to cook.
Any technology, you name it.. Almost everything is made for war.
War.. Makes people desperate, people die but technology increases.
A hunter is always more advanced than the prey..
Any specie that's advanced will either be powerful predator in its origin, or subservient to or weaker than another powerful one.
Now, let's say, they don't need to study us, they just need adna sample to analyze our biology and that's enough for them. They'd just replicate the data, compute and process it.. Then kill us...
You think they'd study or culture? Ha! History is filled with examples of the winners destroying the losing cultures, not the other way round.
they'd rather eliminate an inferior culture or ideology, rather than leave it alone.
Why bother to let a specie rise?
An example..
Why do you kill snakes?..
We would be like animals or playthings to them.
When they can travel light years, they will be sufficiently advanced.
Humans are disgusting in general, others kill for food, we kill for pleasure.
Why do you expect others to be different?
The best, we would become a subservient race.
The worst, we become toys.
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If there is something and it is intelligent and knows about us, i would say that It´s biggest sign of intelligence is that they didnt try to contact humans :)
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Been waiting to get on my comp to post here, but I'm bbored at work so F it lol
I personally think there is something out there though whether its aliens or alternate dimensions Im not sure.
One view I've always liked is that those other galaxies are in fact alternate dimensions of our own, so each of those stars is in fact just like ours but altered. This means some were formed differently at the creation of the universe so the stars are different and planets altered so life was unable to form or life formed differently. Others are exactly like ours only events and people were altered so perhaps Alexander the great didn't die of illness, or perhaos was.never born. Essentially, there exists one galaxy for every possible outcome of what could've happened in our dimension. So from the big bang and planet creation, to obama winning the last election there also exists dimensions where things turned out the other way instead.
Is it feasible? Maybe, bout as much as anything else is. I just like the probabilities it creates for some mind warping shit. Like for instance, space travel is actually not traveling time and distance.but also requires traveling sideways through time. Hows that for mind blowing? 8)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_habitability
1/4 stars CAN have a planet that CAN contain life
there are millions of stars in our galaxy
there are BILLIONS of galaxies in our universe
conclusion: if you dont believe, you are an idiot...
HOWEVER!
we will doubtfully be able to ever contact them... or see them... for the simple reason, that moving at the speed of light (in order to even be able to travel the distance) requires the energy stored in a LOT of suns...
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if we would move at the speed of light (even at the size of a pea) our mass would become so astronomical, that everything would collapse and we would have black hole!
so we wont see aliens... sadly...
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Even the term Aliens can be so broadly defined. But yes, I would say we are not alone. It would seem a bit arrogant to assume we are the only ones.
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It amuses me when scientists say aliens need the same living conditions as we do. Every living thing on this planet has evolved to suit the environment so who is to say that other beings couldn't evolve in totally different living conditions. Like inhale argon exhale helium etc.
As far as aliens dominating us for being inferior beings I am not convinced. It is true that we used to do this thousands of years ago but as time has progressed we have discovered many ways of settling disputes without war, although not always. The more advanced we become the more diplomat and civilized in my opinion, I'm sure that aliens with technology to travel billions of miles would have to be far more civilized than us and probably have very little material interest.
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Like inhale argon exhale helium
Holy shit! That's Bullshit! :P
Yeaahh.. Life out there sure won't be like on earth... organisms may thrive without water, oxygen .. etc... Maybe even enjoy VERY HIGH or VERY LOW temperatures...
but euuhh.. Argon in >>> Helium out is ::)
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It amuses me when scientists say aliens need the same living conditions as we do. Every living thing on this planet has evolved to suit the environment so who is to say that other beings couldn't evolve in totally different living conditions. Like inhale argon exhale helium etc.
As far as aliens dominating us for being inferior beings I am not convinced. It is true that we used to do this thousands of years ago but as time has progressed we have discovered many ways of settling disputes without war, although not always. The more advanced we become the more diplomat and civilized in my opinion, I'm sure that aliens with technology to travel billions of miles would have to be far more civilized than us and probably have very little material interest.
and yet we are not facing a world war because of fear..
There is no "development" in humans that you speak of.
The only reason we all are not fighting is because our fear of dying is greater than urge to dominate.
This will continue because it's human nature to be greedy.
now imagine aliens.. They won't kill us for resource.. No.. They'll either kill us to eliminate future competition or for sport and ego boost.
don't we humans kill "beasts"for fun?
we do because we are the biggest fish of the pond right now. Just let us see when a bigger one comes.
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I think that there is a possibility of aliens, but if they do exist it is most likely (knowing how enormous the universe is) that they exist many light years away from us, meaning that it would be impossible to interact with them anyway, making the discussion and debate of weather aliens exist or not pretty much pointless for me.
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I think that there is a possibility of aliens, but if they do exist it is most likely (knowing how enormous the universe is) that they exist many light years away from us, meaning that it would be impossible to interact with them anyway, making the discussion and debate of weather aliens exist or not pretty much pointless for me.
why do you say so?
there can exist some technology to travel the stars :)
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it can exist, but the possibility of it existing is pretty small. To travel one light year, you would need to travel at a speed of light for one year. Light travels at 300000 kilometers per second so in one year it would travel around 10 TRILLION kilometers. Now that is just one light year. Knowing that solid matter can not travel at the speed of light (because at a speed of light matter needs to have so much energy that subatomic bonding forces could not keep the subatomic particles together, meaning that at such energy levels you just cant have solid matter, you can only have matter in form of light or similar energy). The closest planet system to ours is about 4.2 light years away. The furthest that we have seen is 13 BILLION light years away. Big range isn't it? So alien planet might be anywhere between that range. Or even further as we don't know the exact size of the universe. Having these numbers in mind, we know that it would be pretty much impossible to travel to an alien planet unless many generations would live in a spacecraft that would travel for thousands and thousands and thousands of years at speeds as close to speed of light as possible without disintegrating the solid matter into energy similar to light.
So I guess investing billions in start and universe research is pretty much pointless at this stage in human history. I think it would be much more beneficial to the human race to invest all those billions that governments invest in space research into something more essential and important for this current age.
Just my opinion.
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it can exist, but the possibility of it existing is pretty small. To travel one light year, you would need to travel at a speed of light for one year. Light travels at 300000 kilometers per second so in one year it would travel around 10 TRILLION kilometers. Now that is just one light year. Knowing that solid matter can not travel at the speed of light (because at a speed of light matter needs to have so much energy that subatomic bonding forces could not keep the subatomic particles together, meaning that at such energy levels you just cant have solid matter, you can only have matter in form of light or similar energy). The closest planet system to ours is about 4.2 light years away. The furthest that we have seen is 13 BILLION light years away. Big range isn't it? So alien planet might be anywhere between that range. Or even further as we don't know the exact size of the universe. Having these numbers in mind, we know that it would be pretty much impossible to travel to an alien planet unless many generations would live in a spacecraft that would travel for thousands and thousands and thousands of years at speeds as close to speed of light as possible without disintegrating the solid matter into energy similar to light.
So I guess investing billions in start and universe research is pretty much pointless at this stage in human history. I think it would be much more beneficial to the human race to invest all those billions that governments invest in space research into something more essential and important for this current age.
Just my opinion.
ah.. Yes.. einstein's argument.. You forget that as of now the quantum theory is not perfect.
there exists a wormhole theory.. :) :P
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yes... there exist many theories.
But looking at the history of science, we can instantly see that countless theories that looked very nice were dismissed. Many were also proved.
So what does this mean? It means that just because something is possible does not make it relevant to us at the moment, until the time those things have enough solid proof.
In other words, its kind of risky to change the way we act or decide by assuming that one of many proposed theories is true.
But then thats just how I see it. I might be completely wrong. Or right.
Nothing is certain.
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Just because we can't figure out how to travel faster than light doesn't mean it can't be done. Alcubierre is just one example of how one might be able to do so without even moving at all. 150 years ago we didn't even have airplanes so 150 years from now who knows what will be possible.
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you are right. But then if we think in that way, anything is a possibility. Every theory has that X.
And hence all of them are possible, even if they sound crazy. Now because all of them have that possibility of being true, that X, we can cross it out, or in other words, remove that common denominator. This makes all the theories just that, theories.
I could say its possible that our universe is the ultimate simulation. I could say that matrix is true. And theoretically, it very well might be. But the possibility of such theory being true is so small, that taking it for fact is very foolish. In the same way taking time travel or travel at a speed of light as true is also foolish. Statistically, the possibility of travel at a speed of light is just as big in an infinite eternal universe as a possibility of an omnipotent and intelligent individual god existing.
So what I am really trying to say is that lets not mix proven facts/laws and theories
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I could say its possible that our universe is the ultimate simulation. I could say that matrix is true. And theoretically, it very well might be.
Science works this way: Someone says something.. that something stands true.. until or unless proven wrong and discarded...
Like someone showed up claiming the earth was flat, his statement was right... until proven wrong!
That's it dude.. :P
Up to now.. i've seen the most crazy theories which are sometimes controversial such as time travel, heat death (paradox), multi universes, multi-dimensions, wormholes, matrix universe, dark matter, dark energy, Ekpyrotic Universe, string theory,...
The list is by no way exhastive... even the quantum world seemed bullshit :P :P
so...
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Science works this way: Someone says something.. that something stands true.. until or unless proven wrong and discarded...
Like someone showed up claiming the earth was flat, his statement was right... until proven wrong!
That's it dude.. :P
Really?
OK. Fine..
I say God created the universe and is an individual who wants everyone to worship Him.
According to your above statements, this is true until proven wrong. OK. Now go start praying and worshiping god every day. It is true after all, now isn't it?
Do you see what I mean?
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Of course.. the 'person' saying the statement should also be taken into consideration...
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Of course.. the 'person' saying the statement should also be taken into consideration...
I've seen people saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.
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I've seen people saying saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.
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Exactly.
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I've seen people saying saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.
Yeaahh.. you're damn Right! :P
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I agree with Snayler, however there is more direct research regarding the subject that can be done. There is an abundance of information regarding the strong possibility of alien and ancient TERRESTRIAL(human/non-human) existence possibly 65 million years or more ago before/currently on this planet.
I sit quietly and watch some of you give yourself undeserved pats on the back when you don't really know shit(and neither do I regarding the subject of our origins, aliens, time travel, etc). The truth is we're all in the same boat.
Regarding the large picture we don't know much at all about our origins. You can say all kinds of bullshit about monkeys, evolution, or some other useless shit but you're just not ever going to prove anything.
Give me a Delta T antenna, or make me a bismuth crystal array and then make it work using the correct methodology and mankind will be changed forever. We need tangible evidence; yes these things are fun to learn about but that doesn't make them true.
Always take a good look at the big picture every once and awhile and do your best to make an educated guess regarding these types of things. Keep an open mind. It will make you look like less of an asshole.
I'm sure you're curious to my official stance; I do believe in certain things very strongly(remember these are my opinions):
DISCLAIMER: I will not go too in depth with these things, as I have no desire for you to believe in these things as strongly as I do. I do want some of you to look into these things with an open mind and for fun. You deserve to think about the other possibilities every once and awhile. So do yourself solid on this one.
We are not the oldest species on this planet. Think Atlantis, all of the ancient civilizations we know existed, and the proof of their existence; and the fact we know more or less but not much about these ancient people.
Now think about the history of the Earth.
It was not created a few thousand years ago. It has taken a very long time to get where it is and will continue to evolve and adapt(earthquakes volcanoes, etc) to the surrounding Universe as it always has. Imagine at one point the earth might not have been a place where single-celled organisms could exist.
I believe we were helped in an evolutionary sense. We had some great pushes a long the way to get to this point. It's almost as if at one point humans like us existed in a more advanced way than we do now and they might have all just died, who knows? Think about the Matrix and the underground city of Zion(which is almost always referred to as 'Earth' and regarded as a home). If we didn't have help in some sense we would probably be underground still trying to figure out how to make fire. That's generally how I feel about it.
Again, the big picture is important.
I've read a lot about people that swear up and down about their interactions with different alien species. I believe it's entirely possible and very likely this is the case. Who the fuck would waste over 20 years of their life compiling books about aliens, their technology, and their classification? The Matrix volumes by Valdamar Valerian is such a strange series.
I'm convinced we were a genetic mod of an existing species on this planet(think cavemen/homo erectus but then modded to be better; more coherent; able to be given instructions and possibly controlled). Read the book of enki(best possible translation of the ancient Sumerian tablets regarding what we call Genesis in the bible).
Don't hate; participate :)
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nice write up frog.
Anything is possible I guess. Anything. And you are right, we ain't gonna prove any of those huge theories for a long time to come. We are just a small blue dot in the vast universe. If we combine the whole understanding and knowledge of the entire human kind we would not even have one millionth of the all knowledge and understanding in the universe(s). There might be another planet with life. There might be a hundred planets with life. There might be a billion planets with life. The universe is so big, that we, humans, can only assume.
I like this famous picture:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Pale_Blue_Dot.png/442px-Pale_Blue_Dot.png)
And that is only 6 billion kilometers away from earth. The spacecraft hasn't even left the solar system yet. And this website shows how everything relates to us in size:
http://scaleofuniverse.com/
Just zoom to the lowest level until you see how small a string or phlank is. Then start zooming out.
Humbling.
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Thank you sir. I like that scale of the universe link; that's cool as shit. I think about how everything is measured in powers of 10; this sparked some info in my brain about how the great pyramids were built on such a scale that everything is divisible by PI.
Science calls this the 'golden ratio' and these dimensions are even used by architects today because of the elegance in form and mathematics. It's actually used everywhere all over the world; especially in ancient symbols and structures like the Parthenon in ancient Rome.
I really do believe ONE of the keys to a lot of these mysteries lies in the belief systems of the ancient civilizations and all that history that got lost along the way. I mean look at all the crazy shit they made up(ancient Egyptian polytheism, Greek Mythology, Sumerian polytheism, even Hinduism is old as fuck).
It's like they did their best to interpret something that was going on at the time and it was so significant that they almost had no choice but to incorporate it into daily life. As humans we like to rationalize EVERYTHING; but there are mentions of gods and visitors from the stars in almost all of these stories.
Look at the bible; it is broken history referenced from multiple sources from different time periods. The book of Enki is tangible evidence to support this. Genesis, The Great Flood; it's all there. There's much more to these stories, but this is why it's important to keep an open mind and learn as much as possible.
Mainstream religion is dangerous in the regard that it's a way to control people and the way that they think. According to most religions, empathy is a required in a sense that we don't just go around killing people and acting with haste. We should have that same regard when it comes to searching for the truth.
We've been lied to for so long that 'the only new things are those which have been forgotten' -The Orion Conspiracy
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Scientists think there were life on marse becaus it has landscapes that look like large dryed river. The probe named Sperit Found ice and some sorte of scult few inches under the growne. Now nasa has sent curiosity the new probe for finding Et on marse. They did found bacterias in astroies tho.
What i think is there are trillions of planets that havent been looked at so we cant just say there are ETs out there. we just have to let time answer this question.
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It amuses me when scientists say aliens need the same living conditions as we do. Every living thing on this planet has evolved to suit the environment so who is to say that other beings couldn't evolve in totally different living conditions. Like inhale argon exhale helium etc.
As far as aliens dominating us for being inferior beings I am not convinced. It is true that we used to do this thousands of years ago but as time has progressed we have discovered many ways of settling disputes without war, although not always. The more advanced we become the more diplomat and civilized in my opinion, I'm sure that aliens with technology to travel billions of miles would have to be far more civilized than us and probably have very little material interest.
Well, because, it is impossible. Energy needs to be produced and used by any life form, anything capable of movement (to define "life" as simply as possible). That means that any energy producing method they use still has to follow the laws of physics. As any chemist will tell you, since inert gases can't react, and the chemical potential of helium is not less than that or argon, it will never happen. Life would have to be carbon-based, for one thing, since carbon is the only element that can concatenate to produce any of the more complex molecules needed for locomotion. Other elements have a very limited number of possible combinations, and just not enough to make for a "system" that could process energy. Energy is the great universal that knows no exceptions.
Still, within those parameters, we already have a lot of possibilities. Thare are even organisms on Earth that "breathe" poisonous hydrogen sulfide and produce sulfur as a byproduct. That is where all the sulfur deposits came from. So, oxygen is not one thing that is absolutely needed in an atmosphere. And there are certainly many more possibilities.
It is likely that IF there is other life, it may be completely beyond anything we are even capable of imagining. I'm amused, for instance, that so many people think that aliens even would have a face. Why? Because there are faces here?
The idea that we are all in a simulation is gaining traction. In early 2013, satellite data that will help in answering that question will be available. Whether we have collided in the past with another universe is an active area of research and one that is being checked as we speak.
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There are also lifeforms that live in volcanos and eat rock.
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There are also lifeforms that live in volcanos and eat rock.
Yes, at temperatures where most proteins would unravel - a good thing to study for heat injuries to humans. But, they are still carbon-based life forms.
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Extraterrestrial life may be drastically different from life here, on earth... Or maybe not?
Life > Survival > Natural Selection (survival of the fittest..bla..bla..bla) > Evolution....
Aliens may eventually end up resembling us.. :-\
btw.. wouldn't silicon be a viable substitube for carbon?
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Extraterrestrial life may be drastically different from life here, on earth... Or maybe not?
Life > Survival > Natural Selection (survival of the fittest..bla..bla..bla) > Evolution....
Aliens may eventually end up resembling us.. :-\
btw.. wouldn't silicon be a viable substitube for carbon?
Extraterrestrial life may be drastically different from life here, on earth... Or maybe not?
Life > Survival > Natural Selection (survival of the fittest..bla..bla..bla) > Evolution....
Aliens may eventually end up resembling us.. :-\
btw.. wouldn't silicon be a viable substitube for carbon?
You know, silicon is often touted as a substitute for carbon. It has some ability to concatenate, so it can form chains that would be needed for complex molecules. They used it on Star Trek. But my understanding is that the temperatures needed are unreasonable, something like very high to break bonds yet very low to form them, but I'd need to check up on that. In any case, silicon can only form very short chains, but if there is any possibility at all of life based on something other than carbon, I'd definitely give my grudging vote to silicon.
Yes, they might look like us. There may be some reason why life only forms rarely and we may be the average of the possibilities. But if you take one major event that led to us, the first eukaryotic cells from prokaryotic cells, the thing that may make or break development of complex life, it had around 3 billion years to occur. All that time, prokaryotes may have existed, and the rise of the eukaryotes was a random occurrence. In other words, elsewhere, complex life could be 1 or 2 billion years ahead of us. Can you imagine what that means as far as development? We can't even envision the next century. Surely, they would not contact us any more than we would want to chat with bacteria. They could be invisible to us and already here. Some have suggested that they could even have made space look the way it does as a projection that is not real, removing our hope of contact at light speed.
The possibilities are endless. In a truly infinite universe, I mean that literally.