EvilZone
Programming and Scripting => Projects and Discussion => : RedBullAddicted February 26, 2013, 11:39:29 AM
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Hi all,
not sure if this is a general discussion or a project discussion. If you think it would fit better somewhere else feel free to move it :)
lately I have been writing on a document and I managed to finish it today. Daemon was so kind to offer his help and do proof-reading and improvements on the texts (as soon as he finished his work I will publish it).
As I started creating a second one today I thought: 'why not make this a community project where everybody can submit articles of any kind'. I would offer to do the organization of the book and for sure write more 'chapters' for it. Evilzone has experts on nearly any IT and security related topic. So why not collect out knowledge in a book? We could also integrate already existing articles (lucid's art of anonymity or daemons basic forensics with wireshark) into it. As not everybody is native engl. I think (haven't asked him but I am sure he will as far as he has time for it) Daemon would maybe be willing to do the text-editing.
We could make an ebook out of it which is available for free and maybe a printed paper-back version for the coming evilzone shop.
I would really like to hear what you guys think about the idea and if you are willing to contribute. Any additional ideas would be highly appreciated.
Cheers,
RBA
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I had this idea spinning in my head for some time now, would love to see something like that.
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I think its a great idea. Let me know what i can do for it.
And rba, i want to know more about you book.
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Ooohh, fancy fancy, I'm looking forward to it.
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Well, with any great project this needs to be discusses more widely. If we just take posts and merge them into a book, it won't really be a book, but rather a collection of different articles... or a reference book.
I will wait for more opinions on this. But you have my vote for yes.
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Hi,
thx for the feedback and you are right Kulverstukas... this needs some more discussion :) I will post the document I created as soon as Daemon finished his work on it to give a better idea on what I was thinking about. Sure we can't just copy and paste already existing articles, that would mean the book wouldn't have a common theme. It would surely be some kind of a reference book covering different topics and I thought about a structure like this:
Intro:
- Evilzones history
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Programming
- Basic programming knowledge
- intro into different languages (scripting languages) (every language is a different chapter)
- advanced topics on different languages (scripting languages) (every language is a different chapter)
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Networking
- Basic about networks and protocols (maybe chapters about different protocols)
- Network discovery and forensics
- Common network attacks explained
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Exploitation
- Protocols, Applications ...
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Hardware related topics
- Rasperry Pi, Arduino
...
This is just a quick write up... maybe something into the direction of "Grey Hat Hacking". Would be nice to hear some more thoughts and you are all invited to make suggestions :)
Cheers,
RBA
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I would like to contribute to the history as my knowledge is lacking in the other topics.
Maybe a SE section too?
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@ RBA. If we follow that structure, readers will probably give up reading becaus of the different subjects in every chapter and it will probably be a huge book. I think we should make 1 book for one subject like, a book for intro and how to learn hacking, another book about anonymity then another book for learning c++ or java or Html and so on.
Heres my ebook structure,
::book about learning hacking::
intro
what hacking is
what are hackers
what kinds of hackers are there
discussion on each hacker types
where to start learning hacking
short intro to OSs
intro to linux
intro to programming
importance on learning how to code
importance of googling
short intro to anonymity
what needs to be learned
last chapter: just definations of things newbis dont know like what is 0day, what are shells, what is 1337 etc
end
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@rasenove: RBA's structure and idea is better in comparison with yours. What you suggested already exists in many, many forms. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a book posted around here just like that.
I think RBA is more or less aiming for the kind of book like "Hacking" by Jon Erickson, which includes security related topics (like passwords, exploitation, SE, some bits of hardware...) as well as coding related topics, covering more of C/C++.
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@rasenove: RBA's structure and idea is better in comparison with yours. What you suggested already exists in many, many forms. And correct me if I'm wrong, but there was a book posted around here just like that.
I think RBA is more or less aiming for the kind of book like "Hacking" by Jon Erickson, which includes security related topics (like passwords, exploitation, SE, some bits of hardware...) as well as coding related topics, covering more of C/C++.
okay then, fine by me.
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@Kulverstukas: you are right :) This is exactly the direction I wanted to take with this idea. I think this could really get awesome. Deque could write about java, you about c, bluechill and Xires about C/C++, You and techb about python, techb about hardware and embedded systems, Phage and relax about web security, morph about Application exploitation and so on. One of our graphic designers (maybe DeepCopy) could create a cover and a design concept (Headlines, text-colors ... ). If all our members contribute an article about the topic they are really good in I am sure it will be an outstanding result. Sorry if I forgot someone.. I just wrote it very quick with the names that came to my mind :)
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what hacking is
what are hackers
what kinds of hackers are there
discussion on each hacker types
All that is information is for people who are not allowed to read such book.
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One of our graphic designers (maybe DeepCopy) could create a cover and a design concept (Headlines, text-colors ... ).
take me in for that, Deepcopy wont be around here anymore(most likely).
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@Kulverstukas: you are right :) This is exactly the direction I wanted to take with this idea. I think this could really get awesome. Deque could write about java, you about c, bluechill and Xires about C/C++, You and techb about python, techb about hardware and embedded systems, Phage and relax about web security, morph about Application exploitation and so on. One of our graphic designers (maybe DeepCopy) could create a cover and a design concept (Headlines, text-colors ... ). If all our members contribute an article about the topic they are really good in I am sure it will be an outstanding result. Sorry if I forgot someone.. I just wrote it very quick with the names that came to my mind :)
(hanorotu about music)
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Well ok. I can contribute articles or you can just take what I already wrote.
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At first I thought this was an idea about a book about Evilzone, which would be cool as well. But I like the idea. I guess I could help out with some topics.
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Thats pretty nice :) I would love to have the book intro about evilzone and the way it developed until it was the place we all have and love today. I guess we should start to create an initial layout for the articles (headline1, headline2, headline3, headline4, code-boxes, define colors and so on). Would be cool if someone can do it in the odt-format as template. Think everybody has openoffice installed anywhere :) If we all use the same template and the same formatting it would be more easy to assemble it in the end and create the list of contents. When we have that everybody who wants to participate can start writing and at the end we will try to put it all together. I know it is annoying but I think we should create a few rules:
1. Everybody can write about everything he/she likes to. (even real world examples - black hat style) as long as every single step is explained in very high detail
2. As far as we have a template everybody who wants to participate needs to use it
3. Don't write anything you are unsure about. If it is part of what you are doing just leave it away. In my opinion it is better to leave something out instead of providing wrong information.
Thats all I can think of at the moment.. feeling a bit tired due to the anesthesia I got from the dentist today :(
Is someone around here good with creating templates in openoffice? If no one wants to do it I will try it tomorrow (have never done it before).
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RBA, you sound like you have drifted away a bit. Before anything, we should think of the main theme for the book (or at least for the chapters) and stick to it through the book. I mean don't write in one chapter about coding in python and in the next chapter write about game dev in C++.
It should slowly progress on it's own. Ever wrote long papers for school/college/uni?
Reference books are not very useful... so what several people write as separate things, will have to be joined together at some point to make one themed book.
It's the way I see it, but I might be wrong, as I never wrote a book or took book writing courses :P
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What about magazine kinda thing?
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@Kulverstukas: you are right again.. don't know what came over me.. lol. I really thought about it in a too simple way. First I thought everybody just writes about what he/she likes and in the end we see how we get it all together but I agree with you, this will not work. Tomorrow morning I will try to create a 'line up' for the book and post it here. I have never written a book nor have I taken a course, too :) I have written a lot of guides for work and in school but as this is a collaboration thing its not the same. Maybe we have a member with some knowledge about it and can give us some advices :)
@pl0tuS: this would be a possibility too. Lets see what the others think about it. I Think an evilzone magazine that is published every (second) month would be a great idea too. We could have different topics for every issue and a news section where the admins can inform the members about different things. But this would mean we need to have a 'publishing'-team that is constantly working on it. I would take part here but I can't promise to constantly have the time for it.
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I woke up this morning and this idea popped into my head and here I am, in a thread about the idea! :P
What about magazine kinda thing?
I think a magazine idea would be very good. A magazine could have each page dedicated to a different topic and it wouldn't be a problem. A book should be dedicated to Evilzone itself, its history and so forth. If the magazine idea ever gets of the ground, I'd love to be apart of the 'publishing'-team :D
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I like this idea a lot, I can do formatting and stuff if needed
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Well then, we have 2 things to consider - a dedicated evilzone book or a magazine with different articles put together.
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Well then, we have 2 things to consider - a dedicated evilzone book or a magazine with different articles put together.
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Well then, we have 2 things to consider - a dedicated evilzone book or a magazine with different articles put together.
As Snayler's images pointed out, why don't we have both? A one time Evilzone book and a monthly or every 2 weeks magazine.
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As Snayler's images pointed out, why don't we have both? A one time Evilzone book and a monthly or every 2 weeks magazine.
i agree with you. I nearly voted for the book but thats a year project. The magazine could come out every month or 2 weeks then the news section would make sense and maybe evilshop products advertisement (if approved) could have space.
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This sounds like a really good idea. But as stated by several this is something we really would have to think about and discuss. Of course when it comes from the entire community and "maybe" someday get's around on other forums and websites, it will have to have a certain level of quality. This book will reflect the skills the different members have on EZ and of course we can't have newbies post some of their stuff in the book.
This book would also be great for teaching and learning. A book where hackers and programmers have collected their knowledge into one piece. As stated we have a lot of members with knowledge in many different fields. Let's take me as an example I have worked with website construction and website security and I have knowledge about that. On the other hand I have just started on my Python programming and I could learn a lot of a book like that.
To some point I agree with not making a section about "where to start with hacking" but if you do decide to make one do not hesitate to contact me and I would gladly contribute with something.
As one last thing, you can count me in where ever I can help. I can't promise that I will have time all the day since my exams are starting soon but I can set off a few hours a day to do something. This will be a big project and it will take a lot of time and it should not be completed in a month or two, it will simply not be good enough then.
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As one last thing, you can count me in where ever I can help. I can't promise that I will have time all the day since my exams are starting soon but I can set off a few hours a day to do something. This will be a big project and it will take a lot of time and it should not be completed in a month or two, it will simply not be good enough then.
This. I hold the exact same view, and whatever you need me to do I am glad to help.
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I think it's an awesome idea. :D
If you would like someone with strong writing skills to edit, I would love to help.
edit: for both the magazine and the book
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At first I thought this was an idea about a book about Evilzone,
I'd read that. Let's make a movie :P . Who do you want to play you ande?
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I added a poll to this thread which is available until the 2nd of march. Please vote for what ever you prefer and afterwards we can decide :) Thanks for all your feedback and the great ideas.
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I voted for the magazin only.
Reason:
I think you are very motivated now, but motivation usually doesn't stay that long. I've seen so many people (including myself) starting big projects, but there are only a few who actually have the patience and motivation to pull it through. So make one thing first. See if you can make one or two magazines and if you can keep doing it. That already requires a lot dedication. Additionally managing a whole book would be too much.
Or do a book and not the magazine. Just do one thing at a time.
But I figured the successrate for a magazine is higher, because it doesn't have to have so much content. Even if there is only one issue in the end, it will be useful for EZ.
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I see it's easy to blow this out of proportion for you guys. It is always easier said than done - "let's make a book, let's also make a magazine every month, lets also make a newspaper article every week...".
Making a book is one thing. But do you people really think there would be enough great content posted every 2 months to fill up a magazine?
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I see it's easy to blow this out of proportion for you guys. It is always easier said than done - "let's make a book, let's also make a magazine every month, lets also make a newspaper article every week...".
Making a book is one thing. But do you people really think there would be enough great content posted every 2 months to fill up a magazine?
I think its a good idea but Kulver is right, for how long can we/you release a magzine with quite a great amount of content.
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Then make it every 6 months, or make it on occasion. I don't care. Just do it.
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btw, I voted for both and would love to contribute in it. :)
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@Deque: you are right about motivation. Thats why a project like that needs a lot of people who contribute to it. If someone is not able to work on it due to a lack of motivation or free time there should always be one or more as backup to keep it running. But I really agree with you that we should focus at one point after another. I added the poll just to get an idea what the community really wants. If its the case that most of the member would like to make both I would only participate in one of them with content but I would try to help to organize a team for the second one.
@Kulverstukas: I understand your argument and I really get the point. For the magazine I agree with Deque's argument. We are not going to sell it and we don't need to have a fixed release date. If one issue takes 4 month to be published it wouldn't be a big deal. If we really start working on it I absolutely have no clue how it will proceed but I think it is worth a try. Do we have anything to lose if we never finish it? At least it would be a great learning experience, maybe we motivate someone to write content who normally wouldn't and as this can only work when we work together as a team it would be a plus for the social cohesion of the community (at least for those who work together).
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Well i voted wrong. I will of course help with both projects if one of them were made. But I agree, only one of the projects should be made at a time. It will be to much work and will kill us if we have to write both a magazine and a book.
I reallly like the idea about the magazine but they have a tend to be forgotten fairly fast. In my view the book will stick together for a longer time. On the other hand the book will be a pretty large project to start. It do of course rely on how much content we are going to put into it. I have seen and read many great e-books at about 50-60 or less pages, but you most of the e-books will be longer.
I see both good and bad sides with both of the projects and at the moment I can't really make a decision. But if you needs my help I am willing to help if my help is needed.
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I voted both, but it doesn't mean both would be done at the same time, I just think they're both great ideas and wouldn't like to see one of them go to waste. I think we should start with the book and after it's done, start developing the magazine.
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I voted for the zine. I think it is more appropiate for an online community such as EZ. Something that all of us can contribute to, to be released every X months.
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Even though I consider both ideas to be good and that both should be done, I voted for helping with the magazine only as it will give us a start and its something more people can help out with.
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Like the idea of an magazine to start with to see how easy/hard it will be to fill it up with useful and interesting content. to do one every 2 weeks is a bit to enthusiastic I think, but yeah once every 3 months should be possible if enough ppl are willing to help. If the magazine does well a book can be started along the side, then you should have some more experience of the whole process.
I could help out with either the magazine or the book if you want (writing ofc) but i would need someone to review my stuff because my native language is not English..
I wish you good luck :)
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I'd love book, but as noob as I am now, i'm willing to offer translation help. Everything else someone can do better
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May be you can add a new section called Room 32B, me and m0rph can write articles about Anal inspection and prostate examination.... jk
Great idea +1
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I'm up for the Evilzine. I would contribute to the best of my abilities.
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If we go for a magazine thingy, we gotta have like a vital news section with the top hacking and security related stores this [insert time between releases here]. Honestly, I dont think releasing a magazine every month would be that big of a task. A page or two with EZ related news, a page or two with security news as mentioned above, a page or two with trololol(or as I like to call it, not-so-serious articles), a few user articles and some advertisement for EZ products perhaps. And you got yourself a small magazine.
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If phrack can do an ezine on their longevity, an EZine is completly doable. I voted for both, but after further review, zine is the most logical choice ATM.
A book would be epic and not out of the question, but a zine in my honest reguard is the best collectivley we can do.
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I think the EZine would actually be pretty easy to pull off, there are plenty of intelligent, knowledgeable people on here to write articles and such, it doesn't need to be super long. The book idea is cool too, but on a totally different level and should be a totally separate project to be done at a later date. Anyway, I am down to help out with whatever!
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I'll go with Ande, there should be EZine with some pages of EZ related news, some pages of security news, some containing info(rating and review) of new hacking tools(and some old also), some EZ releases, something on OS, AVs, microprocessors, hacking related, some tech stuff and all that.
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Hi,
the poll is not over yet but it already seems like we made a decision. The arguments from ande, techb, zesh and relax are pretty good.
We should really start with an e-zine and see how it proceeds and develops. This would help us to gain experience in that field and it would definitely show us
if we are capable of. I will try to make a real job of it and share some ideas:
What do we need?
- editorial staff (3-5 ppl)
main tasks: coordination, read and score submitted articles, collecting content and assemble it to a real magazine
(I would love to take part here if its ok for you )
- graphic design staff (2-3 ppl)
main tasks: creating templates for the articles, visual design (cover, articles and everything)
- lecturer (2-3 ppl)
main tasks: proof-reading, correcting articles, turn them into good engl. and make them fun to read :)
(I would nominate Daemon and wabi for this as far as they want to and have time for it)
and of course a lot of writers. Everybody is allowed to submit articles about what ever they want to write about.I would pm some members and ask them to write about a specific topic too. Maybe we could make an shared email-account for the editorial staff where the articles can be submitted. The editorial staff should consist out of well-known and trusted ppl.
If it really happens that a submitted article is published on another forum and the poster claims that it is his work I would stop the project immediately.
Guess non of our members would do something like that but I had the feeling that it is important to say it :)
As I have no clue about the amount of submitted articles I have no clue about what we do with articles we could not place into the magazine too. Guess we should keep them (as far as the author agrees with it) and see if it is possible to use it in another issue.
Content (took a lot of already posted ideas - thx to all of you)
- Evilzone related news (new member of the month?.. lol, progress information about the new ircd, forum and stuff like that)
- Maybe an interview with one of our admins (as far as they want to do it). If the project succeeds and we are running out of admins for interviews we could go on with Moderators, vips ...
- Security news (vulnerability of the month or what ever, vulnerabilities that got patched and so on)
- one or two not-so-serious articles (thanks for that term, ande) (Room 32B)
- one or two coding related articles
- one or two creative art articles (yes hanorotu.. this would be your section and of course for our graphic artists)
- one or two 'security' related articles
- Tool of the month (short description and a demo about the usage)
- some kind of contest (lottery) where you can win an evilzone shirt/mug (as far as they exist)
This would mean we would need a staff for creating these contests too
For the first issue I would love to have a really long, long time member of EZ to write an article about the history of EZ. I think most of our members are interested in that as much as I am. Maybe it could contain a short section about Room 32B.
Another thing would be the forum reputation of the writers from published articles. Many ppl here really care about their karma. There have been a lot of threads about that topic lately where members talk about it. They always claim that they are not interested in it but tbh.. would you write about it if you wouldn't be interested? :) I think the editorial staff should take care of that as well.. a good article should bring some positive karma for the author.
Ok, thats all for now. Please tell me what you think about it. Am I missing something important? As for the staff members.. please send me a pm about what you want to do. Don't want this thread to explode. (hopefully there are so many members who want to participate.. lol)
thx to all of you for the ideas and the positive feedback :)
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Yeah, the ezine seems the most likely solution now. I would contribute greatly to it and I agree on the contents.
About article submission, I would like to suggest that members post tutorials/articles on EZ as usual but if they want the article to appear in the ezine they could send us a message. Or we could ask the author for his permission if the article is awesome enough...
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(...) EZine (...)
(...) EZine (...)
(...) EZine (...)
Seems like we've got a name for the magazine. I like it.
- lecturer (2-3 ppl)
main tasks: proof-reading, correcting articles, turn them into good engl. and make them fun to read :)
I know I'm not a VIP or trusted member (after all I've been here for a relatively short time), but I would like to offer my help with this one, if it's OK with you all. My English may not be perfect, but I consider it is good enough for a job like this.
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Just send me a PM with details and I'd be happy to help with any proofreading. :)
As far as the book goes, we can always take the best articles from several issues and put them into the book along with some new content when we decide to do it.
Also, perhaps the EZ history could be a series done over several issues? each one covering a different time period. Just an idea :P
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English is my first language so I would be more then happy to proof read anything. I can organize articles, make them look pretty through formatting, whatever you need me to do really.
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If all the sudden i become a good programmer ill write some stuff :) Good idea guys, this should be awesome. One thing I'd like to add is not to flood the admins with requests to add in your articles if your are not absolutely sure of its quality. In that case, i think you should just normally post it on EZ. I can help with any part you would like me to, but im still heavily busy and studying, so i'm not quite going to commit as of yet, but whenever i have time i will attempt to contribute. Still working on my website, really busy :P
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So then I think we should make a separate board for the EZine and start collecting members and content.
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Sounds like a great idea instead of keep spamming this thread. This will also make it easier for the members involved to get an idea about which members are involved and what are the assignments who needs to be written.
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Hi,
thats really a great idea :) If you could create the board I would start to create some content for it. I think we can close this thread afterwards.
Again thanks for all the feedback and contribution. Now its time to get serious :)
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The new board should be used only for ezine related things. All other content should be placed in other forums where the content fit.
I'll make a sub-board now, as a test.
EDIT: done. http://evilzone.org/ezine/
Board is a child of eBooks, not visible to guests. RBA is a local mod in there :P