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Other => Creative Arts => : KevG April 06, 2013, 04:42:08 PM

: Unfinished drumstep song
: KevG April 06, 2013, 04:42:08 PM
https://soundcloud.com/mistasnare/new-unfinished-drumstep (https://soundcloud.com/mistasnare/new-unfinished-drumstep)

the mastering is off a bit, but tell me what you guys think :)
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: WirelessDesert April 06, 2013, 05:03:36 PM
No, I don't like it.
The piano is to low. It's just bad, I stopped playing the song after 14 seconds, it's that bad.
Try to either take it up some octaves, or take in some third(interval, learn music theory) notes.
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: ande April 06, 2013, 05:05:43 PM
No, I don't like it.
The piano is to low. It's just bad, I stopped playing the song after 14 seconds, it's that bad.
Try to either take it up some octaves, or take in some third(interval, learn music theory) notes.

That's just harsh :P I think its decent, not precisely the kind of dubstep I listen to but its okay.
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: WirelessDesert April 06, 2013, 05:09:07 PM
That's just harsh :P I think its decent, not precisely the kind of dubstep I listen to but its okay.
It's Drumstep, if it was dub, I'd never even listen to it.
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: Snayler April 06, 2013, 09:58:24 PM
TBH I don't like the piano intro. I think the same melody with some other instrument would sound better.

From 0:54 it sounds kinda messy, there are some sounds (sounds like something fell) that don't fit. I understand what you were trying to achieve there, and I agree it would sound very good, but for now it needs some adjustments. I guess that's what you meant by "the mastering is off a bit".

As a final note, I like the song. With some more work, it could easily become something I would hear. Good job.
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: IFailStuff April 06, 2013, 11:36:15 PM
No, I don't like it.
The piano is to low. It's just bad, I stopped playing the song after 14 seconds, it's that bad.
Try to either take it up some octaves, or take in some third(interval, learn music theory) notes.

I think its pretty awesome. You need to go to get an hearing checkup WirelessDesert P: I'd like to hear something you think is good, awesome or very good.


I dont any ideas, More voices saying stuff? 
: Re: Unfinished drumstep song
: silenthunder April 07, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Definitely new instrument on the melody, fix that damn piano, and clean up the wobble just a tiny bit on the parts where it rolls really fast, not sure how to describe that through typing... like, it goes "wuuuub wubwubwubwub sd;lkhgaope wuuuub wubwubwubwub", the "sd;lkhgaope" part needs cleaning up. I really like the beat, and I love how clear the sound is.
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: Snayler April 07, 2013, 12:20:33 AM
Definitely new instrument on the melody, fix that damn piano, and clean up the wobble just a tiny bit on the parts where it rolls really fast, not sure how to describe that through typing... like, it goes "wuuuub wubwubwubwub sd;lkhgaope wuuuub wubwubwubwub", the "sd;lkhgaope" part needs cleaning up. I really like the beat, and I love how clear the sound is.
Yes, that's what I meant with the "sound of something falling". Didn't knew how to describe it either.
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: Kulverstukas April 07, 2013, 12:26:41 AM
Not something I'd listen to every day, but something I'd listen to when I don't care about the beat - like coding. The piano intro is just ugly... and other piano parts don't really fit... Aside from that it's kinda good :)
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: hanorotu April 07, 2013, 12:52:55 AM
I really like this actually, that vocal is great and sounds good in the song. The drop isn't all that great but all in all very well done!
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: silenthunder April 07, 2013, 02:02:40 AM
I agree that the drop wasn't that great but meh, if all drops were great we wouldn't think so much of them. I also agree that the vocal addition was good. I also should say there was clearly effort put into this and I hope it turns out better after making some adjustments. I'd like to hear more from you.
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: hanorotu April 07, 2013, 02:14:15 AM
I agree that the drop wasn't that great but meh, if all drops were great we wouldn't think so much of them. I also agree that the vocal addition was good. I also should say there was clearly effort put into this and I hope it turns out better after making some adjustments. I'd like to hear more from you.
It's nice to be not the only one submitting music :)
: Re: Unfinished drumstep song
: WirelessDesert April 07, 2013, 12:12:31 PM
I think its pretty awesome. You need to go to get an hearing checkup WirelessDesert P: I'd like to hear something you think is good, awesome or very good.


I dont any ideas, More voices saying stuff?
Something I like? Oh man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uwZZB5Yv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uwZZB5Yv0), Fn Pig, deadmau5. In there, you can hear the thing I'm talking about, the thirds. The transitions are awesome, they just blend in so naturally. At 3:30, the song just is awesome, it's that tense most of Joels' songs has. This song is awesome.


This is a good song that shows you the thirds, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyFQx6U-geQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyFQx6U-geQ). In here, the first tenor is making the thirds, while the first bass is the melody. See, thirds really enhances a song. The first bass is the one saying "Högt över jorden" at 0:26 is the first tenor, and at 1:50 you hear the first bass the best, he is the one "in the middle", making it sound good.
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: Snayler April 07, 2013, 02:09:26 PM
Something I like? Oh man. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uwZZB5Yv0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_uwZZB5Yv0), Fn Pig, deadmau5.
Off-topic: That music is awesome! I've known some of deadmau5 work, but never explored it fully. +1

This is a good song that shows you the thirds
Not only the thirds, but also the fifths.
In music, these are called Triads, or three note chords. And is not as straightforward as going for the exact third, you may need to lower it (aka flat) or raise it (aka sharp), depending on the base chord type (major/minor/etc) and other factors.

For example, if your base melody is:
C Am F G
and the vocals would follow the same note structure (I know, it would be a very lame song, but for the sake of example), you would have:
:
+ Chord + root Vocal + second Vocal +
|   C   |     C      |      E       |
|   Am  |     A      |      C       |
|   F   |     F      |      A       |
|   G   |     G      |      B       |
The third of "A" is actually "C#", but since the chord behind the vocals is a minor chord, we have to lower the secondary voice to "C". Otherwise it would just sound dissonant.

Obviously, I'm simplifying things a lot. It is a bit harder when the voice has it's own line, and you need to look for every third of every note and know if you have to lower/raise it or not. Shit, you can even not follow the root melody at all and come up with some different melody that fits harmonically. Midlake is a good example of that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDL9bXlwbM4), they mix a variety of vocals, each of which is doing it's own melody but they all fit together.
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: WirelessDesert April 07, 2013, 02:13:34 PM
Off-topic: That music is awesome! I've known some of deadmau5 work, but never explored it fully. +1
Not only the thirds, but also the fifths.
In music, these are called Triads, or three note chords. And is not as straightforward as going for the exact third, you may need to lower it (aka flat) or raise it (aka sharp), depending on the base chord type (major/minor/etc) and other factors.

For example, if your base melody is:
C Am F G
and the vocals would follow the same note structure (I know, it would be a very lame song, but for the sake of example), you would have:
:
+ Chord + root Vocal + second Vocal +
|   C   |     C      |      E       |
|   Am  |     A      |      C       |
|   F   |     F      |      A       |
|   G   |     G      |      B       |
The third of "A" is actually "C#", but since the chord behind the vocals is a minor chord, we have to lower the secondary voice to "C". Otherwise it would just sound dissonant.

Obviously, I'm simplifying things a lot. It is a bit harder when the voice has it's own line, and you need to look for every third of every note and know if you have to lower/raise it or not. Shit, you can even not follow the root melody at all and come up with some different melody that fits harmonically. Midlake is a good example of that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDL9bXlwbM4), they mix a variety of vocals, each of which is doing it's own melody but they all fit together.
Yes thank you snayler, not a native english speaker, so I didn't know the real word, I tried to find the name online. Thx,
: Re: Unfinished drumstep song
: KevG April 07, 2013, 03:40:21 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your honest comments  ;D its hard to find a place where people will actually criticize your work and give you proper suggestions for what to fix. I'll definitely replace the piano.

@silenthunder is the "sd;lkhgaope" part the bass growl that interrupts the wobble bass?

Once again thank you everyone for your compliments and honest criticism  :)
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: hanorotu April 07, 2013, 04:17:05 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your honest comments  ;D its hard to find a place where people will actually criticize your work and give you proper suggestions for what to fix. I'll definitely replace the piano.

@silenthunder is the "sd;lkhgaope" part the bass growl that interrupts the wobble bass?

Once again thank you everyone for your compliments and honest criticism  :)
This is the reason that I've stopped putting my music on newgrounds and just submit it to evilzone.
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: silenthunder April 07, 2013, 09:29:38 PM
Thanks guys, I really appreciate your honest comments  ;D its hard to find a place where people will actually criticize your work and give you proper suggestions for what to fix. I'll definitely replace the piano.

@silenthunder is the "sd;lkhgaope" part the bass growl that interrupts the wobble bass?

Once again thank you everyone for your compliments and honest criticism  :)

Yeah it is, forgot the word for it haha.
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: Sparky712 April 07, 2013, 10:34:54 PM
right. Im going to tell you the areas I disliked, not because the track isnt good, it's good. but because i find it easier to say the criticisms. Balancing is off, you have one sample which is much too loud. panning, not too bad, though, i think it is a bit centred. E.Q. wise.. I think that Kick could do with some slight changes.. its very punchy and defined, but it seems to be lacking in something i can't put my finger on.  and the track as a whole, it's missing a layer, I think. mid-range scoops are good as they clean the track up, and make it less muddy, but, i think it's slightly too extremely E.Q'd.  now.. I guess I should tell you what I liked. The arrangement was good, the majority of your sample choices were good. ( That one sample that was too loud... i think was a bit too dampened. it reminded me of someone breathing into a microphone up close.) Overall, A brilliant track, which has been very well produced, despite the areas I think are in need of some bringing up to the rest. :)
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: ande April 07, 2013, 10:52:39 PM
It's Drumstep, if it was dub, I'd never even listen to it.

I can agree to disagree, but this is dubstep. All these new terms for various divinations from just hardcore wubbin is also dubstep.
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: hanorotu April 07, 2013, 11:09:06 PM
I can agree to disagree, but this is dubstep. All these new terms for various divinations from just hardcore wubbin is also dubstep.
Actually if you want to get technical this is brostep. This is dubstep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pBI2GSJrY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pBI2GSJrY)

I would call this song that was posted DNB with some wubs, the drums define the song.

also here is an electronic music guide that I have used for years http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/