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Re: Child Prodigy Dreams in code.
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2013, 07:53:41 pm »
As with everything there's always an exception. Don't get me wrong this is not something I want to force down on everyone with a high IQ. Just to take an example, my girlfriend has a pretty high IQ and she is "normal". The thing is, I study psychology at my school we have just finished "working" with this topic and I do not think that they will teach is something that isn't right.


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Re: Child Prodigy Dreams in code.
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2013, 08:56:08 pm »
@ Darkvision


When I read your comment one thought comes to mind.


Evolution and growth is a trading game. You have to trade one thing for another thing. Sure it does seem like some people hit the jackpot and got allot of everything.


Than it might balance out in some other way. For instance you might not have the fame of Justin Bieber... But, when you're older, you won't have to look back at a life that is so good that nothing you can ever do will be as good as that. Ok bad example but you get my point.


You might be a famous undying rockstar with the love of the whole world but you choke in your own vomit.


You might be a rocket scientist but blow yourself to pieces in an experiment.


You might be the world's most populair guy ever. But you might never know when someone really loves you because everyone does.

having high IQ might seem like a blessing but it can also feel like a curse.


You might get all the girls you can. And get bored of sex. (small chance)


The way nature chooses to balance itself out might not be clearly visible cause our point of view is just narrow and dictated mainly by our perspective.. Our bodys.

Every upside has it's downside or as johan cruyff said: Elk voordeel heb zijn nadeel.
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Re: Child Prodigy Dreams in code.
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2013, 07:14:17 pm »
@phage Even though their is no "law" or true science governing what your learning? statistics lie, look at global warming. this whole made up hype about the earth heating up, when if you look at the full chart that the news was using you will see that we are actually in a downward trend headed to the next ice age. While such things CAN be useful, they have to be used carefully, and looked at from all sides. will i think make my point, in this next part.


@Darqsunscreen Evolution and social behaviors are two wildly divergent topics when viewed from one angle, or the same when viewed from another. However social ineptitudes are not even close to being a "genius" or hell even "autistic" problem alone. If that were true we wouldnt have so many people in jail, or mental institutions, or hell so many different area's and types of social sciences. At the end of the day though IQ is supposed to describe ones ability to learn, that is to gather and comprehend information. now sure its possible you could decide you dont need/want certain kinds of information, or find it bothersome. but this does not signify a lack of ability, but a lack of caring.


Also what your born into (socially or economically) has nothing to do with evolution,  but rather luck of the draw. While IQ is also luck of the draw it does at least have to do with genetics. And sure random chance might dictate you get in a car accident, or forgetting that one wiggly little detail may cost you your life in an experiment gone wrong. but this does not mean their is some "divine" balance dictated by god, or as you seem to be suggesting, evolution.


If this were so we, and i mean the human race, wouldnt even exist. we are totally unbalanced, have a totally unfair advantage over every other creature on the earth simply because of how powerful our brains are. that doesnt mean we couldnt get ate by a lion, but that given the proper motivation we could decide to eat ALL of the lions. Or hell accidentally kill them all off just through our unchecked growth.



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Re: Child Prodigy Dreams in code.
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 12:34:13 am »
At the end of the day though IQ is supposed to describe ones ability to learn, that is to gather and comprehend information. now sure its possible you could decide you dont need/want certain kinds of information, or find it bothersome. but this does not signify a lack of ability, but a lack of caring.


The thing I experienced is that I felt my whole life like people thought I was stupid (except the teachers and people who knew me better) because the way I talk to someone or explain something, wich is totally 180 degrees from the way I talk on a forum for instance, I skip steps in the story cause I assume that the person that's listening also skips those steps. Things that seem like a logical consequence of what I'm explaining and therefor I assume this person, another human being with brains, can also make this leap. Turns out that I have been dumbing myself down for a long time just so I could fit in and actually communicate with people between the ages +/- 5 and 23.


I stopped dumbing myself down again for a long time now and it did not improve my social life. People often think I'm weird and can't make sense out of things I'm saying. Like we're not on the same frequency anymore and I refuse to fine tune.


Sorry if I come over as egotistical, bending the story towards myself but it's issues I've toyed with all my life.


Society seems to want you to dumb yourself down or be on your own.

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Also what your born into (socially or economically) has nothing to do with evolution,  but rather luck of the draw. While IQ is also luck of the draw it does at least have to do with genetics.


Well. You could seriously argue about that considering in our world, race is, depending on where you get born, still a predefined foundation of your social and economic future for most people.


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And sure random chance might dictate you get in a car accident, or forgetting that one wiggly little detail may cost you your life in an experiment gone wrong. but this does not mean their is some "divine" balance dictated by god, or as you seem to be suggesting, evolution.


I'm not suggesting that the balance comes from just evolution. I have no idea where it all comes from I'm just guessing with my limited knowledge.


I can say so many things but it would just be rambling.. Like that human children's brains are hard wired to believe in a spiritual world, that people who have no control over their surroundings will more likely develop a believe in God and therefor God might very well be our own creation.


That Einstein was working on a theory of everything and if we ever really get that formula nothing would be random chance. That Aliens might already be at the point of having that theory of everything and can make a simulation of the universe. That everything is made out of dots.. Quantized. That we might be in that simulation right now and that the 3 Alien scientist controlling the simulation are "God". If you would use the drake equation that becomes a much more probable theory than the real God.


Cause we need to assume that Aliens, just like us, want to master everything there is to master. And they might be millions if not billions of earth years more advanced than we are.. Think about it. They would want to know everything that ever happened. Cause we would. In a simulation you're not supposed to "interfere" just like God.


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If this were so we, and i mean the human race, wouldnt even exist. we are totally unbalanced, have a totally unfair advantage over every other creature on the earth simply because of how powerful our brains are. that doesnt mean we couldnt get ate by a lion, but that given the proper motivation we could decide to eat ALL of the lions. Or hell accidentally kill them all off just through our unchecked growth.


Yes we got too smart too fast. However that happened. Where in the evolutionary tree do you see a creatures brain size TRIPLE!! within the course of 30.000 years. It's as if we are indeed some experiment that spiraled out of control.


PS: My apologies if I come over as condescending when I say things. I get that allot and it's not my intention. Like I'm lecturing while I'm just very interested in what we're talking about and want to say too many things. I also tend to drift off topic because I can always think of something that is connected in some way.
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Re: Child Prodigy Dreams in code.
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2013, 02:58:33 pm »

The thing I experienced is that I felt my whole life like people thought I was stupid (except the teachers and people who knew me better) because the way I talk to someone or explain something, wich is totally 180 degrees from the way I talk on a forum for instance, I skip steps in the story cause I assume that the person that's listening also skips those steps. Things that seem like a logical consequence of what I'm explaining and therefor I assume this person, another human being with brains, can also make this leap. Turns out that I have been dumbing myself down for a long time just so I could fit in and actually communicate with people between the ages +/- 5 and 23.

Again dont get me wrong, im not saying i dont communicate very differently around different people. However everyone does this, to a greater or lesser extent. however i feel it may be more of an age thing as well(again this goes to that whole "high IQ can learn to communicate" thing i was talking about earlier. When i was younger i really just didnt get how much more intelligent i was, i simply assumed everyone saw things the way i did, that the solution was just right their in front of them too. they were just to embarrassed to answer! I didn't get that they just didnt think like me, or see what i saw, and sure to this day its still something of a problem, i will skip stuff i think they "know" that they dont. But again this is still done to some extent by everyone, just that those like us tend to skip larger portions of a conversation. Where you or i need one or two words to get a full concept across, others would need sentences to understand the topic or idea. However just because their is an initial learning curve(or really a continuous one) doesnt mean we are socially inept. I could if you wish list a great deal of highly intelligent famous individuals that fit this bill, or even talk about it. Though i would suggest just starting with Heinlein and Asimov both books, and quotes. You wont agree with everything, nor should you. But it can give you a lot to think about in regards to this, as well as a number of other things.

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I stopped dumbing myself down again for a long time now and it did not improve my social life. People often think I'm weird and can't make sense out of things I'm saying. Like we're not on the same frequency anymore and I refuse to fine tune.

Again something i had issue with, it took a classmate in my IT "A" school in the Navy to bring it to my attention. The entire class hated me, and i mean hated me. I honestly had no clue why. i mean hell i never even talked to any of them. i just played flash games and answered the teachers questions. But they saw it as me being a "know it all"/"teachers pet", when i was just being honest and showing that i was in fact paying attention to what the teacher was saying. The thing about this is, that in some cases no matter WHAT  you do, you will be disliked by some. ignore them. Concentrate on the ones who come around and go hey he isnt being a dick, he is just answering a question. You can not always help how others perceive you, however if you have an idea of WHY they are perceiving you the way they are you can see if their is something you can, or want to change to be perceived better.

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Sorry if I come over as egotistical, bending the story towards myself but it's issues I've toyed with all my life.


Society seems to want you to dumb yourself down or be on your own.

I dont take it that way at all dont worry! hell i would express the same concern. However one great thing about these forums, is that you(and me) are among like minded individuals. we want to share, inform, and understand information as well as each other. if i get offended, i will let you know, but im no where near it at the moment :)

If your talking about "mainstream" society sure, but a LOT of that comes from the corporations. i could go on listing some "fun"(ie really BAD) quotes from some of our most famous big shots in america about wanting to dumb down the masses, but hopefully your already aware that most of that comes from them. I've even found that the older i get(and the older my peers get) that the more intelligence and knowledge is valued. It is mainly the young, still fresh out of life experience, still heavily imprinted by the "system"(ie school) that tend to feel that way.

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Well. You could seriously argue about that considering in our world, race is, depending on where you get born, still a predefined foundation of your social and economic future for most people.

honestly i didnt even think of that aspect(or the sex aspect) when writing that, guess it shows how little such a BS thing like that matters to me. yes they are still a factor to some extent, but i think even if the people that were running/are in office are horrid humans that the times now really do show through in the fact that we have a black president who ran against (in his party) a white woman. Times are changing, this is less and less a factor the world over. Not saying it isnt one, but its not nearly as big of one as it used to be. Besides i would argue that even then the place your born still effects you more than color. look at the "escape" rates on a "hood" even for the white people born economically disadvantaged. Also considering china, japan, britain (and others) class is more important than color. Which again goes to show that evolution and social behaviors tend not to match up very well.

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I'm not suggesting that the balance comes from just evolution. I have no idea where it all comes from I'm just guessing with my limited knowledge.


I really would suggest reading a LOT more about different countries, and hell even traveling.
I can say so many things but it would just be rambling.. Like that human children's brains are hard wired to believe in a spiritual world, that people who have no control over their surroundings will more likely develop a believe in God and therefor God might very well be our own creation.

This all kind of gets off topic, and so im just gonna skip it :P

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That Einstein was working on a theory of everything and if we ever really get that formula nothing would be random chance. That Aliens might already be at the point of having that theory of everything and can make a simulation of the universe. That everything is made out of dots.. Quantized. That we might be in that simulation right now and that the 3 Alien scientist controlling the simulation are "God". If you would use the drake equation that becomes a much more probable theory than the real God.


Cause we need to assume that Aliens, just like us, want to master everything there is to master. And they might be millions if not billions of earth years more advanced than we are.. Think about it. They would want to know everything that ever happened. Cause we would. In a simulation you're not supposed to "interfere" just like God.

Einstein was working on a unified field theory, which supposedly Tesla (according to himself) had finished. This however does not explain anything. it wouldnt give us the answer to life the universe and everything, or even the question. All it would do (as any other mathematical theory, theorem or fact) is give us a foundation on which to base our "questions". In other words its more of say the principle behind "counting" not that 1+1=2. Other than that, how exactly do aliens enter this conversation? im afraid im missing a point here.

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Yes we got too smart too fast. However that happened. Where in the evolutionary tree do you see a creatures brain size TRIPLE!! within the course of 30.000 years. It's as if we are indeed some experiment that spiraled out of control.


PS: My apologies if I come over as condescending when I say things. I get that allot and it's not my intention. Like I'm lecturing while I'm just very interested in what we're talking about and want to say too many things. I also tend to drift off topic because I can always think of something that is connected in some way.


And yet we cant even understand ourselves, and i do mean litterally look internally at our own faults(reliably). Which is why i was saying what i did about these things not being a science, and why to view any of that, or hell much of what ive said as "fact" is ludicrous. What someone said or did, is fact. The whys and whats behind it are still not understood.  which is why i tend to speak against absolutes as you spoke them, because they are not. i could continue on for days with this frankly, and since its been so long id have to do "research" from scratch, but i CAN tell you this. you find me opinion on any or all of it that disagrees, ill find 5 that do. Then find 5 that disagree with those 5, then find 5 that disagree with both of those 5, then find 5 that disagree with all of them, and 1 who thinks we all live in a teapot made of butter. However at the end of the day what i stated to start with is FACT. IQ measures ability to learn and comprehend the world around us(or attempts to measure would be more appropriate).  This means, that we are likely to comprehend not just the universe, but even our own social behaviors more fully than "normal" people. Given this fact, we will tend to be more successful, REGARDLESS of color, sex, nationality, class etc. Einstein would have been put in a labor camp in WWII simply for things he couldnt control, except the Nazis STILL wanted him as a researcher instead. He is not the only case of a "undesirable" being recruited(or attempting to be recruited) for their brains, despite being of a "untouchable" class, by germany or frankly any number of other super powers throughout history. In the end intelligence is desirable, the majority of women, want a man more intelligent than them. Considering the generally considered top qualities a women looks for are stability(money), looks and intelligence, and your intelligence gives you a damn good shot at the stability, you ARE a desirable mate. Is it any wonder Einstein was looking as goofy as he did a successful/famous womanizer? Hell thats not even getting into any of my personal experiences or observations. Lets just say that being born at the top end of the brain ladder has a lot of ups, and only a few downs. MOST of which are not nearly as noticeable as you get older.
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