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Re: Hack-Proof internet
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 06:11:27 pm »
Um. This is not really relevant to hacking.
I mean, yes, quantum computing and quantum communications could make it very very hard to intercept and capture data, but that does nothing to make the computer "hackproof". After all, data is still sent, received, processed, and user interacts with it in one way or another. Hacking does not have to take place during the transfer stage of data where quantum computing could make it impossible to capture the data along the way.

At the end, you will still need a connection. At the end there will still be software that manages the connection. There will be software listening to the connection and communicating over it. There will be a stupid user setting it up and configuring it.

At the end, its still the same. Tools might change, methods might even change, but at the end, its still the same game.
Doesn't matter if the computer is binary, quantum, or neural. If it does processing, you can "hack" it. One way or another.
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Re: Hack-Proof internet
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 06:55:24 pm »
@mord - i get what your saying, but kind of axon has already proven, we will find a way. You speak of this field, and its machines as if all is already known, when we have yet to even build a true quantum computer. How many discoveries, insights and inventions are necessary STILL to even get one of these up and running. To think that these things wont change, and improve our knowledge of quantum mechanics is ludicrous. At the same time with those changes, to think they wont create new security holes is equally absurd. It may be impossible with our current understanding and knowledge, but that does not mean that the knowledge does not exist, or the path to the knowledge doesnt exist that can allow quantum states to be altered or effected in ways we have yet to discover. So i think my "idea" if you will stands, its a interesting possibility, no it isnt feasible right now, but the system it would be operating on isnt even feasible right now.


Also feel i should point out that your talking about the "forced" transfer being detected, NOT prevented.


also also: any books/articles you recommend on the subject? if not i can just troll the interwebz, but i do want a bit of a deeper understanding of our current knowledge of this. (side note here: i had already read your 10 quantum facts, and feel it needs to be said: where are the rest of the promised daily facts damn it! i wants more.)


anyway look forward to the reply :)
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Re: Hack-Proof internet
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 09:10:21 pm »
@axon

I know that article. It's not actually really legit stuff to be perfectly honest. The issue is that currently the commercial (in the article you can see: "Quantum hackers have performed the first 'invisible' attack on two commercial quantum cryptographic systems) quantum computers and systems are pretty broken and incipient (I hope I'm using this right). Numerous physicists are claiming that although the efforts are useful for furthering the designs for systems, the fact that these companies claim they have literal quantum encryption systems is very misleading. They have experimental hardware.

And you can tell, because the quantum entanglement measurements are not done "for real". They say: "The cunning part is that while blinded, Bob's detector cannot function as a 'quantum detector' that distinguishes between different quantum states of incoming light. However, it does still work as a 'classical detector' — recording a bit value of 1 if it is hit by an additional bright light pulse, regardless of the quantum properties of that pulse. " The problem is that, as far as I understand how these systems work, this is not the method of operation of a standard quantum entanglement "sensor". If you would blind it with a laser, the sensor would behave erratically and not like a standard system. Also I think there is a particular way in which we can measure whether or not entanglement has been broken in the detector or not. This means that I could potentially see if I'm being tricked by checking whether or not I'm the one breaking the entanglement. If yes, I'm safe; if no, I'm being MitM'ed. I'm not quantum physicist though, so I can't be sure that this is 100% correct. I'm currently reading actually on this particular subject this thesis: http://www.physics.ox.ac.uk/qubit/carolina/content/Carolina_Thesis.pdf


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At the end, you will still need a connection. At the end there will still be software that manages the connection. There will be software listening to the connection and communicating over it. There will be a stupid user setting it up and configuring it.

Well yeah you can assume that. But then again if the connection is via quantum entanglement, then you need to somehow break that. Actually that's kinda the point; although of course you can infect the actual software on an end-point and get data out that way.

@Darkvision

I dunno what to say about that. Maybe the actual design will have flaws and such, but in regards to quantum knowledge, the missing points that refer to a computer are related to entanglement. Other unknowns don't affect a quantum computer cause they are about gravity, unified theory etc etc. I mean to say that we know the theory behind a quantum computer almost completely, except for the understanding of how entanglement actually works (the processes and phenomena behind it).


Now of course this can be called speculation given that there's no experimental evidence to back it up, but then again the mathematical and physics elements necessary to build a working quantum computer have been proven theoretically and have been tested via experiments (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7415/full/nature11472.html). It is true that these experiments were independent from each other, and we need to merge them, but a lot of smart people have been working on this, and the consensus currently is that it's doable in a secure way.

Check this out: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/514581/government-lab-reveals-quantum-internet-operated-continuously-for-over-two-years/

But yes indeed. Maybe claiming information-technically secure for a quantum computer is not really correct. I do believe though that the security as compared to our current situation will be exponentially improved, at least.


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