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Offline silenthunder

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Starting up a computer store, maybe
« on: December 10, 2014, 06:32:37 am »
I'm at a pretty shitty point in life, pretty much lost everything except my family. Going into psychiatric treatment, probably lost my girlfriend for good (I'll know on that tomorrow), no more drugs for me.. This is one sad tweaker.

Anyways, my parents see that I've been kindof at a standstill in life regardless of all of this stuff, and they think that I would be a great business owner, and that's what would really get me far in life. So, they asked me what kind of business I'd like to run, and I said that in this economy and just the way things are in general, a computer store would be a great start. Not gonna charge hellish prices for fixing a computer, gonna build all of the computers in the store myself and make sure they're built WELL and they WORK, have brand new unlocked phones for sale, etc. Just be the most realistic computer store there is lol.

I'd love if I could have my own custom software installed on some of the computers, custom UI's or whatever other programs and services that could be useful. But I don't have the time or energy to learn coding on my own, I thought maybe if anyone here is interested, I'll pay for anything you come up with that I think would be a good addition. Currently the name will be of the company will be "Nerd Cave", if anyone has a better idea for that then shoot it at me. Later on I'll either expand the store or open other stores into different areas of business, particularly music and I'd love to own a tobacco/vape shop.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, etc.? Keep in mind, if this takes off it won't be for quite a while just yet.



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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2014, 07:51:43 am »
I am glad you are looking at the bright side.
I don't know where you live therefor I cannot say if it would be a realistic idea to start a computer shop, I know we got many.
Online shopping is becoming ever more popular with prices that are nearly unbeatable, be aware of this.
In this day and age I would say a webshop would have more chance and could still offer the same sorta feeling.
I am thinking actual face to face customer advice in a browser etc.
Just an idea.

Not trying to discourage you or anything but I would suggest you go talk to a(computer) shop owner and ask him how this works anno ~2015ish

Personally I have played with the idea of opening a hackshop in the capital, sorta hak5 like shit.
As far as I know no such thing exists.
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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2014, 08:21:29 am »
Good luck in treatment.

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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2014, 01:22:21 pm »
My best piece of advice for you is to be clean for at least a year before you start anything that will be majorly stressful such as starting a business. You should also take the time to learn some ways of dealing with stress so that you don't relapse when things start to get hard.
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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2014, 08:39:41 am »
Oh, of course it'll take a while for us to start anything up and it'll be well over a year of being clean at that point, @shadowwolf. I've got a lot of experience in business management actually, sure someone might not be able to manage their own life for shit but for some reason there's plenty of those people who can manage other people's lives. I don't know how to explain exactly what I'm trying to say, but organizing and compiling numbers and stuff for a business is completely unrelated to my personal life, and to me it's just "all in a day's work" to take a proper inventory and get set up for another day. Most of my work experience is in retail, advertising, and customer satisfaction, plus I have just under a year or management training from two different companies.

@proxx, I totally understand what you're saying, but yeah it depends largely on the area. I feel safe enough to go ahead and say that I live in North Dakota, United States. It's a pretty underdeveloped area technologically, hardly anyone lives here and the growing population is merely the oil boom workers moving in. Everyone here farms. They know what a GPS is, other than that the iPhone is the newest big thing. People are *constantly* asking me to fix their computers, bitching that they left it at "The Computer Store" (legit name of the company) for 3 weeks and paid $300 and it doesn't even work. They buy computers from walmart and shit and nothing works right on any of them. So they try to get a new computer online with their limited knowledge, and at least the computer works but it only takes a year for it to develop too many problems to be efficient at all. A physical computer store is by far in huge demand out here. I've only seen two shitty ones in Minot, I don't know of any in Bismarck, and there are none in Williston or Dickinson. I'm sure Fargo/Moorehead and Grand Forks have plenty though.


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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2014, 08:46:08 am »
Sounds like you've already done some market research for your area(or at least passive research) so thats good that you got some confidence in the viability. Also theres no reason you can't also branch out online as well to help fill out any slow pockets of work. Like unless you wind up getting so much business youre working 24/7(in which case hire help bucko) you could get one or two orders online at least. So long as it's making more money than it costs you to maintain it.

Also good luck on meeting your PCI compliance ;)

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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2014, 09:14:40 am »

@proxx, I totally understand what you're saying, but yeah it depends largely on the area. I feel safe enough to go ahead and say that I live in North Dakota, United States. It's a pretty underdeveloped area technologically, hardly anyone lives here and the growing population is merely the oil boom workers moving in. Everyone here farms. They know what a GPS is, other than that the iPhone is the newest big thing. People are *constantly* asking me to fix their computers, bitching that they left it at "The Computer Store" (legit name of the company) for 3 weeks and paid $300 and it doesn't even work. They buy computers from walmart and shit and nothing works right on any of them. So they try to get a new computer online with their limited knowledge, and at least the computer works but it only takes a year for it to develop too many problems to be efficient at all. A physical computer store is by far in huge demand out here. I've only seen two shitty ones in Minot, I don't know of any in Bismarck, and there are none in Williston or Dickinson. I'm sure Fargo/Moorehead and Grand Forks have plenty though.

That sounds like the right soil for a seed.
You could say combine it with general computer support, like a subscription for x dollar per month.
If that works, and for the right price it might, you could for example offer students a job as a support and have them work for you.
Perhaps they could even work from home or some shit like that.
People generally don't care much about the price if they are treated like real people , take time etc.
Sometimes people just need petting instead of support :) (rl experience)
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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2014, 08:44:42 pm »
This is all some pretty great things for me to think about, thanks for the help guys. Thought I have to ask about that PCI compliance thing, I've heard the term come up before so now I have to wonder what exactly that is...


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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2014, 10:54:58 pm »
This is all some pretty great things for me to think about, thanks for the help guys. Thought I have to ask about that PCI compliance thing, I've heard the term come up before so now I have to wonder what exactly that is...


It basically is a set of security requirements that you will need to follow if you are going to accept credit card payments.

https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/security_standards/pci_dss.shtml
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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2014, 12:44:29 am »
I think you probably have a pretty good chance as long as you stay clean and manage your expenses well. I live fairly close to silicon valley so shops like that do not do very well in my town. You could walk into almost any classroom in my school and you would be able to find at least one kid who is willing to fix your computer in an hour for 20 bucks :P. Just make sure that you make a profit without ripping people off. A group of loyal customers means nothing if you are loosing money on every sale.
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Re: Starting up a computer store, maybe
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 05:26:18 am »
1. As far as PCI compliance just use BofA business merchant services and use the clover all in one system. It acts as a POS (not piece of shit, but point of sale) inventory management employee timecard, credit/debit terminal, etc. It also has advanced statistics so you know what's selling, expence reports etc.

2. I recommend taking a few business classes, it will help.

3. Pick a new name, nerd cave will draw customers away. Something simple and catchy

4. Marketing. Plan heavily for a marketing budget. You want ads online (google AdWords) yellow pages, bing, *active* social media accounts, etc. You want everyone within a 50 mile radius that searches for "my computers broken" "the Internet's broken" "computer repair" "computer shop" etc. Shows your website. Keep the website minimal and simple easy to use design. Also you'll want great tracking to know where people go on your site and where they drop off, where they came from, etc. This data will show you what areas of your website need improvement and what marketing stratigies work best for you.

5. Business plan. Create a business plan and get investors. But do more research in your area. Find out how well "The Computer Shop" is doing. People don't like change, keep that in mind. Remember that computer repair is expensive and you don't want to undercut the labor. When you have 50+ regular customers that can't stop clicking ads and installing adware and random ass virii, as well as new customers and sales, if you do your prices to low that you can't afford to hire someone to help with the load, you will fail.

Be prepared for legal expenses such as business license(s), llc, etc. Legalzoom is a good place to start. Also expect to run around city buildings all day -_-

When you think you've done enough research, you better research some more.

Also know what demographic you're going for. Are you going for old computer illiterate grandmas?

But also keep in mind now a days there are a lot of people that know someone that will do computer work for them.

Also be sure that if you are running a legitimate business you will need to work closely with Microsoft and have VLKs it won't be as simple as your buddy asking to install MS Office for $10. No pirated software on a client machine, you will run into some serious legal trouble. MS is fine using their software as "freemium" but when you start profiting off "freemium" they do not take it very lightly.

Try and get as many things on consignment as possible. This will save costs. People that want their products in your store will do consignment so they make money and you make money.

Remember the law of retail is charge double the price of your cost. So if it cost you $20 you charge $40. Also set a labor rate that you want to get paid. Remember that most computer techs get paid $100+/hr for labor and remember if you want to hire someone down the road you best be prepared to not increase the price for your customers.

If you'd like to talk more and want to bounce ideas around let me know.

Started my business back in August. Haven't turned a profit yet :-P sales, yeah I got about $1500 in sales but an investment of about $3000. I still have plenty of product to at least match my initial investment so that's good haha.

I wish I would've gotten some more guidance, I would have started my business much differently. But now its more learn as you go and grow which could put you in a bad spot. That's what happened to the security company im working for. They didn't pay much attention to the details and they grew, then got sued... So do research and don't start up until you have every contingency planned out
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