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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2015, 09:14:32 pm »
You will get bored with this little venture pretty quick... 9front isn't a viable operating system in this daynage from what I've seen...

No offense, but you've not seen much! Did you know it emulate's Linux? If that's what your more into or the fact it can use more than one protocol? If you think Linux is smooth and fast, then Rio and RC make's Linux look bloated and slow! Not to mention, that if you really wanted you can run any Linux program inside it! Like I said, you really should read and re-read the wiki about half a dozen time's, it's not exactly going to show you everything it does with one quick install and a quick fiddle. Looking for a more Windows looking Shell, try Inferno then all you type is startemu or if you want linux it's dwm & But it's down to you to replace your $PATH.

That's the bit that was actually in the talk at the chaos security conferance, when Jake said "We've never seen this protocol before, it comes up as heavily encrypted UDP emulating RC6 and seem's to be emulating apache but it's not really apache, we dont know what it is!!" LOL

I knew, whilst I sat there listening to his talk which you can find on YouTube at this link exactly what it was!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQ7LNeC8Cs

Your firewall stop's most ICMP & TCP eh, but the question you should ask yourself is, does that mean it stop's 9P or Styx from climbing all over your sockets? Got a fancy card that need's a driver, nobodies going to just write one for you, that's the whole point, you have to write it yourself! An the beautiful part is it's in C so it's not like it's totally alien, even if it is from Outer Space! The first time people see it, they just "dont get it" it's a GRID computing platform, so if you put it on more than one PC, how many PC's are now under your command?

If you think TCP/IP is "SPDY" - SPeeDY, you should check out the size of that Socket Stream!

That's what I mean by a lot of "PWN" power! Insert North Korea across phiber optic cables --> here && *poof* 500'000 CPU's all going, "oh, you did that to Sony eh, well look what this can do to you!"

"With Great Power, Comes Great Responcibility!" an all of that Jaz! I bet you've got it now!

It not just some PC OS - it's a "Cluster" operating platform!

One about the Size of UTAH with lot's of water keeping it nice and cool!

That must be what they mean by a "Monster-Mind!" thats one big Hive!
"We are Borg! Resistance is Futile!"

Just because it says it's a "Hobbist!" platform dont be so easily fooled, all Unices, be it Linux or BSD all the way back to the God-Fathers of Unix are described as a "Hobby" operating system!

UDP - User Datagram Protocol, flowing all over your IPTables & ARPTables and right past your Firewall in an unstoppable wave - Who Has Blah-Blah-IP Address Range - Tell Blah-Blah-IP Address Range... Funny how UDP is actually an encrypted protocol that is a blast from the past, the "Gopher" protocol and it's all over your TCPDUMP logs, regardless of what-eva firewall appliance you have.

"isn't a viable operating system in this daynage!" I bet the guy's who spent there live's writting it - wish they had a nickle for every-time someone said that!
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2015, 03:11:04 am »

Am I having a seizure right now or was this whole post nonsense?

No offense, but you've not seen much! Did you know it emulate's Linux? If that's what your more into or the fact it can use more than one protocol? If you think Linux is smooth and fast, then Rio and RC make's Linux look bloated and slow! Not to mention, that if you really wanted you can run any Linux program inside it! Like I said, you really should read and re-read the wiki about half a dozen time's, it's not exactly going to show you everything it does with one quick install and a quick fiddle. Looking for a more Windows looking Shell, try Inferno then all you type is startemu or if you want linux it's dwm & But it's down to you to replace your $PATH.

That's the bit that was actually in the talk at the chaos security conferance, when Jake said "We've never seen this protocol before, it comes up as heavily encrypted UDP emulating RC6 and seem's to be emulating apache but it's not really apache, we dont know what it is!!" LOL

I knew, whilst I sat there listening to his talk which you can find on YouTube at this link exactly what it was!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQ7LNeC8Cs

Your firewall stop's most ICMP & TCP eh, but the question you should ask yourself is, does that mean it stop's 9P or Styx from climbing all over your sockets? Got a fancy card that need's a driver, nobodies going to just write one for you, that's the whole point, you have to write it yourself! An the beautiful part is it's in C so it's not like it's totally alien, even if it is from Outer Space! The first time people see it, they just "dont get it" it's a GRID computing platform, so if you put it on more than one PC, how many PC's are now under your command?

If you think TCP/IP is "SPDY" - SPeeDY, you should check out the size of that Socket Stream!

That's what I mean by a lot of "PWN" power! Insert North Korea across phiber optic cables --> here && *poof* 500'000 CPU's all going, "oh, you did that to Sony eh, well look what this can do to you!"

"With Great Power, Comes Great Responcibility!" an all of that Jaz! I bet you've got it now!

It not just some PC OS - it's a "Cluster" operating platform!

One about the Size of UTAH with lot's of water keeping it nice and cool!

That must be what they mean by a "Monster-Mind!" thats one big Hive!
"We are Borg! Resistance is Futile!"

Just because it says it's a "Hobbist!" platform dont be so easily fooled, all Unices, be it Linux or BSD all the way back to the God-Fathers of Unix are described as a "Hobby" operating system!

UDP - User Datagram Protocol, flowing all over your IPTables & ARPTables and right past your Firewall in an unstoppable wave - Who Has Blah-Blah-IP Address Range - Tell Blah-Blah-IP Address Range... Funny how UDP is actually an encrypted protocol that is a blast from the past, the "Gopher" protocol and it's all over your TCPDUMP logs, regardless of what-eva firewall appliance you have.

"isn't a viable operating system in this daynage!" I bet the guy's who spent there live's writting it - wish they had a nickle for every-time someone said that!
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2015, 05:16:10 am »
He's right about it, no nonsense.

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As time went on the system really grew on me due to its built in simplicity and versatility. I feel that for most areas I tend to agree with the approaches taken after a small period of adjustment. There are some exceptions but those seem easily fixed due to the simplicity and versatility of he system. For example, due to the nature of everything being a file (including network access and process tables) and the presence union mounts sandbox environments are exceedingly easy to set up. One can do so with a shell script instead of a full hypervisor or even docker/cgroups. Sandboxes seem to extend all of the way to the UI level where one can restrict a process to operate only within a window that you draw, limiting unwanted pop ups for example.

Similarly, a mixed architecture cluster seems very easy to set up because of the unique cross compilers, 9p shared file systems and factotum. You can go all of the way from highly centralized cluster (thin client) to fully distributed (thick client). Single sign on is built in to the system.

Now, after only 6 months, I feel pretty comfortable with working on virtually any part of the system, including the kernel and rio. Other environments, including Linux, seem so bloated in terms of the UI's and the code. I can recompile the whole plan 9 system in just a couple of minutes. There is a lot of information available in the manual pages all of the way from user level to programmer level.

Through my journey into this area I discovered that plan 9 and Go are grounded in principles of simplicity, clarity and brevity. It's amazing what can be accomplished once you work on a system that has all three. Meanwhile, it seems like the rest of the software world is focused on the opposites and a whole lot of expensive band aid solutions.
BSD is what you get when a bunch of UNIX hackers sit down to try to port a UNIX system to the PC.
Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a UNIX system for the PC.

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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2015, 09:30:55 am »
He's right about it, no nonsense.

Actually I liked how the Dev's described the Posix user experiance as being "Nuclear!"

They're not wrong, if you look at Distrowatch (dot) org - how many spin off's of the same OS? For the last 30 years? All Linux - Linux - Linux and all naff - naff - naff!

Too many cook's all in the same Kitchen = Bad soup!

nCurse's (you've been cursed) - Pthreads (these can be very Viral) - oh my!

Then you've got the original guy who looked after the code base for years, having to fend off the hoard's going "How about an intuitive Javascripting Interface, with his swift reply "NO!!! Absolutely not - F*** off!" :lol:

It's all about the Unix design principals, "do one thing and do it extremely well", "keep it simple stupid" and the vast differances between having a web browser thats 128kb in size and does pretty much plain old text vs a web-browser that's 105 megabytes in size a struggling under its own bullshit! The differances between System V vs the vast differance to System-D with every arsehat under the Sun going, "we know what to do, we'll make it BIGGER and more bloated with extra features, it'll control all the system daemon's and that will fix it!"

Did windows become more streamlined and faster as time went by? "Be Honest!"

No it, didnt, it got bigger and fatter and slower and had so many intuative feature's, that it became the pile of shit that it is today - all on it's own!

KDE - Compiz Fusion - Metacity - Gnome - all severly bloated filled with useless feature's that most people wouldnt give two hoot's about! MS-DOS - The quick & Dirty Operating System, hold up I've just got to run this intuative file tuning wizard to defrag my disk, because my filing system appear's to have splattered the files all over the place!

"SilverLight" what an epic product, you've only got to spray it once a month with RAID to keep all the SilverFish that want to eat all your money at bay!

Microsoft & Apple & dare I say it even poor old Google all did the same thing, they all lifted idea's out of the Open-Source community in an effort to create there products, which technically is theft - but not if you signed the waiver first - whereby you agreed they could take your idea's and do stupid things with them in the name of technical excellence and progress!

I wonder how many Nexus customers where pleased with there Free Upgrade, remember that Linux back-door that hinted at smarter hack's.. Oh yeah, well now your locked in and you'll never see that command line ever! I mean seriously you trusted a load of Guys, one who walk's around with a perpetual sly Grin, another one that shoves his workers off there bicycle into the flower bed's and another guy who's chairman of the board and is starting to look like Liz Hurley because he's had so many Botox infusions coupled with colonic irrigation!

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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2015, 03:19:32 pm »
They're not wrong, if you look at Distrowatch (dot) org - how many spin off's of the same OS? For the last 30 years? All Linux - Linux - Linux and all naff - naff - naff!

You sir have just summed up the new generation of the Linux community...
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2015, 04:19:49 pm »
Such a confusing and misleading title.

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« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2015, 04:57:41 pm »
Such a confusing and misleading title.

Not totally we did cover DragonFly & HAMMER FS to begin with! ;)

Before it started delving into pFsensor and netfilter! Almost completely missing anything to do with Linux and sticking with Unix, if it was Linux I would have mentioned PacketFence for all the good it does with Unix Datagram *erm* *cough* User Datagram Protocol.

Let's refresh the old memory;
UDP on Port 0
Root File Permissions on 0
Display on 0.0
CPU Ring set to 0

Good god man, there is no "spoon!" there is only a "fork" and it need's lots of polishing!

At least the maintainers where honest about it, "we gave it to those arseholes at berkley" and they did something "hackish" with the "Kernel" insert small tubby hippy with sandles talking about software freedom's over nyah --> Remind me again GNU stands for "is Not - WHAT?"

All those GNU users embrace far too much of Chairman Mao's ideology with there Philosophy "That there is only one way a Youth can prove themselves as a revolutionary, weither or not he's willing to intergrate himself with the masses!" and it's from those masses that all this hackology ideology seem's to spring out of!! Finding bugs in the GCC with the GDB debugger and all the software that was compiled with it, making a pretty penny for the afore mentioned GNU software that was all full of bug's to begin with!

Breaking down barriers such as social networking a new form of Socialism, Corperate Facism also known as Windows & DRM and finally the spirit of Community also known as Communism!

Hey kids, do you know what all the Unix admins call Stallman behind his back when he's not busy eating a cheese noodle from between his toes?

"Robespierre!"

Because he's always the first one to start screaming "Revolution, Revolution, Revolution - but as soon as the other guys want to have a long chat with him about his buggy compiler and the fact he's used way too much fsync he's nowhere to be found!"

The GNU project started promising the world the most awesome "Kernel" back in 1984 - (try not to think of Orwell) 31 years later & we're all still waiting in anticipation to see the benefits of it over the original, which just pardon the french "fucking" works!

/**Fetches all copies of Linux Journal Monthly & Copies of stupid Hacker Pentesting Linux on CD.. Takes them into back-garden, wedges them under the barbeque grill and sprays it all librerally with barbeque fluid.. **Light's Match & Throws** !Phomph **Goes and sit's down with a smug satisfied smile./
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2015, 04:05:03 am »
You sir have just summed up the new generation of the Linux community...
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Seriously. There's only a few distros that are even worth considering in my opinion: Slackware, Gentoo/Funtoo, CRUX, and maybe the Sorcerer/SourceMage/Lunar family. All else is crap, or offshoots of crap. Anything that is going/gone to systemd is doomed. They are mostly becoming bloated Windows wannabes. "We want more pointy, more clicky, more GUI wizard configuration tools!"
BSD is what you get when a bunch of UNIX hackers sit down to try to port a UNIX system to the PC.
Linux is what you get when a bunch of PC hackers sit down and try to write a UNIX system for the PC.

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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2015, 04:39:15 am »
Seriously. There's only a few distros that are even worth considering in my opinion: Slackware, Gentoo/Funtoo, CRUX, and maybe the Sorcerer/SourceMage/Lunar family. All else is crap, or offshoots of crap. Anything that is going/gone to systemd is doomed. They are mostly becoming bloated Windows wannabes. "We want more pointy, more clicky, more GUI wizard configuration tools!"
The old init is dead... long live the new init!!!


Really though, it's silly to fight this.
Shhh... *puts finger on bones mouth*
just take it... just let it happen.....







It came.... look... look around...


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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2015, 04:48:01 am »
^ Hahaha, she wants it, and wants it hard.

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BSD is what you get when a bunch of UNIX hackers sit down to try to port a UNIX system to the PC.
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2015, 08:54:11 pm »
^ Hahaha, she wants it, and wants it hard.

*bones bends over, applies vaseline*

Let's look under the hood of Google!

Does this picture look familiar? It should it's the Google Cloud!

Where the internet "Lives!"

http://lsub.org/ls/figs/cloud.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/17/article-2219188-158CA78F000005DC-369_964x641.jpg

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Software we made is being used by Bell Laboratories, Coraid, and other "first-level companies"

Translation for non-technical people - TIER ONE (1) PROVIDERS!

An just so your in the Loop it was code-named "Brazil" - Long before it got called "Plan9".

That is, as it should be the case with all software, our software works and can be used.

We have as a tradition using the last system we built to work and develop the current research system we are working on.

To mention some software we wrote, it includes;

Several operating systems (we refer also to their kernels, not just to some software you run on top of Linux!)
Several window systems (some of them distributed)
A couple of compilers and run-times for programming languages
Distributed data base engines (DBMSs)
Network protocols

After all, "if there's nothing to hide, there's nothing to fear!"

http://lsub.org/ls/projects.html

**SLURP**

Attack of the giant ANTS  **It's THEM!**

http://www.9gridchan.org/

9Legacy & 9Spirit

http://9legacy.org/

9Atom

http://www.9atom.org/

9Front

https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/

Vx32

http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/~baford/vm/

9 aka: Research Unix System 10.5 on the Brain! **Fuck System-bs-D** ;)

BSDEMU or BSD Emulation is planned next!

As to this story shown in this Picture!

https://cms-images.idgesg.net/images/article/2014/06/googlessl-100310469-orig.jpg

I seriously doubt they had that technical parlence to pull that off without some help!

People should really just ask a geek or hacker nerd what the letters "GFE" stand for!

**A SPECIAL EVIL-ZONE RELEASE** Because we're all hackers and we're all alike, unlike "ioerror && all the developers that maintain Debian - tails" who appear to have never heard of Unix in there Life!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/62/UNIX-Licence-Plate.JPG

Just think how many years of head scratching and bug hunting you'll have once those ever so subtle bug's are inserted into the Gnu/Linux & BSD code base, you'll all be scratching your head for many years still to come! The "Elite" go to the top of the class and the "n00bs" stay on the bottom, it's a dog eat dog world after all...

The best way to describe it would be with an infograph of the "Kernel" showing that Grep / Sed / Awk etc all run from the "Kernel" space, hence the software is built into the "Kernel" not on-top of the "Kernel" and thats why the "Kernel" is only 130'000 lines long, in terms of Size unlike the Gnu/Linux Kernel that is over 130'000'000 lines long and is bloated with useless rubbish!

The design of the Kernel is totally differant and that's why when you look at this;



You should worry!

If people want to fork something, they should start here..

http://swtch.com/plan9history/

An to hell with the fact Lucent would end up owning it, I wouldnt care, I'd be just happy to see a "Kernel" that work's the way it was intended, i'd rather see "Lucent" end up owning it putting microsoft, apple & google out of buisness instead of spending the rest of my life listening to Stallman waffle on about freedom's and then get sued the moment you borrow something from the GNU! "Oh for Christ sake there are no backdoors in my Kernel honest!" ~ Linus Torvalds

Wait a minute, I sniff something.. I think it's called *BULLSHIT*

You can almost hear "BullRun" erm Stallman's voice echo across the vast expanse of Cyber-Space "Thats egregious I tell you, you've taken part of my code base and stuck and even bigger backdoor in it, it's mine I tell you.. MINE!"

"I'm pentesting or I'm bug hunting!" the next unix admin you tell that too, will silently think to themselves, oh wonderful another retard!

ANSI C
The Version of the C Programming Language standardised by the ANSI-Authorised C Programming Language Committee X3J11 and the ISO-authorised Committee JTC1 SC22 WG14.

Sometimes refered to as Standard C.

Designed to codify existing practices but also add new features, such as function prototypes to correct deficiencies in the Language. The standard revoles the differant rules for declairing data objects and clarifies certain long-standing ambiguous area's..

Such as C++, K&R & Posix!

Stallman is the long-standing deficiency and what's more he's a complete pain in the arse!

1984 was a good year, it was the same year that X-(KeyScore)-Windows rolled out of MIT!

"Wait a minute my new Kernel is coming, it's coming!" ~ Stallman

Yeah, dude's only been saying that for the last 31 years with a Maximum of three Kernel maintainers spread out across over 100 Open Source projects! Very efficient and not Lazy at all.
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2015, 08:21:19 pm »
@systemd shizzle

This is a lotta fun if anyone got some time.

27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... (and BSD, of course) - Wolfgang Draxinger (+ Lennart Poettering)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0

Takes a turn.
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2015, 08:06:07 pm »
@systemd shizzle

This is a lotta fun if anyone got some time.

27c3 - Desktop on the Linux... (and BSD, of course) - Wolfgang Draxinger (+ Lennart Poettering)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTdUmlGxVo0

Takes a turn.

Yeah and Android & iOS where running both a Linux & BSD Kernel too!

Repeat after me, there is "no such thing as a backdoor" that's why the Kernel is partially preconstructed in a "Binary" format & you may not edit the code the most you can do is write a module!

Did you notice how SELinux has now taken over all "Linux" projects including >> Gentoo doing away with GRSecurity and Bastille is no longer available in "any" Linux repository!

See: http://bastille-linux.sourceforge.net/
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Re: Switch to BSD.?
« Reply #44 on: May 11, 2015, 09:39:09 pm »
Currently I use slackware(most solid OS I've ever used) and OpenBSD. I have some minor issues with OpenBSD but it's like exploring new land. Man pages are sexy. You just install OpenBSD and type:
Code: [Select]
man afterbootthen everything makes sense. Everything is explained from what you can/should do after your first boot. And from there you have enough links for man pages to actually learn basic administration of OpenBSD. I'm enjoying learning it. Definately going to try Plan9.

+1 to scamp I somehow enjoyed reading your posts
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