Why Linux

[Code.Illusionist]

Hello Evilzone , I'd like that some of you explain to me why should I use Linux and why is Linux so far best OS? I know that many people speak best about it, but I tested it only 2 or 3 times, so I don't know that much as you do. Could you tell me why it's very good to use it? I do understand that this is noob ish question, please , don't hate me.

[rincewind]

I will speak from personal experience. Two years back i used win alot.. done everything on it games, movies programming and one day my cousin gave me ubuntu.I instaled it, at first everything was weird, use terminal to install, reinstall and most of the things. I deleted it because I was inpaitient to learn how to use it properly and to be honest I hate unity desktop... Then I used win again for quite some time maybe for one year because I needed it for school (unity 3d). Then I instaled elemntryOS and was amased how easy it is, I learned a bit my way through terminal, but again this time I do not know why I got back on win, i guess I wanted to play fallout or something like that so I think that is why. Then I stopped playing games, and decided to learn linux i took course at edx learned about it as much as I can and now I use linux mint on regural basis, with i3 window manager. I got used to terminal and keyboard, I feel great and can't belive how could I use that win for so many times when in linux I do everything faster and learn alot more. Only thing I miss is a good video editor, everyone I tried is buggy...
Plus linux has more developing tools I think and uses less resources. Hope this post helped you

[L0aD1nG]

Okay, I wouldn't get into this really... cause there are so many things I must say. But then I saw your User Title "Compile or die trying" and it changed my mind. So I will gather the basics on a list...

• Linux is free.
• Linux is open-source.
• Linux is far more secure from commercial OSes like OSx or Windows.
• With Linux you really have the control of the system, you can do pretty much everything! (e.g. Customize the kernel)
• {Personal} Linux has the BEST by far text editor(fully customizable) ever created on your terminal. Talking about ViM of course.
• Linux can run on even 100MB of RAM, some distros even on lower.
• With Linux you can choose over 10+ (active) Graphical Enviroments and also customize them depending on your needs/preferences. Many of which are extremely customzable(check i3, awesomewm, wmii). Or even install and use 2 or more of them and choose each time you login in which one you will log in.
• You can even choose Boot Loader, or even make your own Boot Loader and apply it. (there aren't many choices tho) You are not forced to use the (closed source) Boot Loader the corporations provide you.
• For the programming, Linux has by far the best "handling" on multiprocessing apps at  least compared on Windows. Sooo less RAM hungry. (tho this is not one of the basics, I just wanted to mention)
• You have a package manager! You can know almost everything even before download/install any app that is supported by the official repos of the distro which you will install! (Well at least this is true for apt suite)
• You will join a big kind and helpful community of sick individuals! 

I could really continue this, but I think I covered the "basic" topics, if I don't... I hope that someone will cover my ass. If you are on Windows and install and use Linux for more than a month, I believe that you will sooner or later say "What a dump was I... using this shitty operating system".


The best distros in my opinion if you decide to install, stay and "die" learning:

• Debian --> http://www.debian.org
• Arch Linux --> http://www.archlinux.org
• Gentoo Linux --> http://www.gentoo.org

The "best" distros if you think you want to just try and decide staying or not(begginer friendly). Are claimed to be:

• Linux Mint --> http://www.linuxmint.com/
• Zorin-OS --> http://zorin-os.com/
• Ubunty --> http://www.ubuntu.com/

** If you are about stay Linux, don't use this ^ for more than 1-2 month. "Be a man". **


I hope I helped you on this and I hope that you will come and stay to the sick community of the "Linux maniacs"! 
Cheers.

[z3ro]

We tell people we use Linux because it’s secure. Or because it’s free, because it’s customizable, because it’s free, because it has excellent community support…

But all of that is just marketing bullshit. We tell that to non-Linuxers because they wouldn’t understand the real reason. And when we say those false reasons enough, we might even start to believe them ourselves.

But deep underneath, the real reason remains.

We use Linux because it’s fun!

It’s fun to tinker with your system. It’s fun to change all the settings, break the system, then have to go to recovery mode to repair it. It’s fun to have over a hundred distros to choose from. It’s fun to use the command line.

Let me say that again.
It’s fun to use the command line!

No wonder non-Linuxers wouldn’t understand.
The point with us Linux fans is – we use Linux for its own sake. Sure, we like to get work done. Sure, we like to be more secure from viruses. Sure, we like to save money. But those are only the side-effects.

What we really like is playing with the system, poking around, and discovering completely pointless yet fascinating facts about the OS.

[L0aD1nG]

If you're using terminal to do 'most things' on Ubuntu, then you're doing so by choice. Pretty much every major linux application has a .deb package that can be installed through the Ubuntu Software Center. All basic configuration can be done through the control panel. The only reason you need the terminal on Ubuntu is for more 'advanced' stuff.

 
I've been using Ubuntu for 8 years now. Prior to that I used OpenBSD for a couple years, and before that I used RedHat for about 5 years. I've also been running multiple CentOS servers for close to a decade now.

But i'm not a man...


... So what's your Linux experience?

Gx00 this wasn't a fight starting signal, plus I've answered to that hundred of times on IRC. You know that I don't fight with Canonical's fagots anymore so....please...

I will just remind you that my main distro runs your corporation shit.

The fact that you are more years on the scene of Linux doesn't actually prove either that you know more or that the distros you used all that years are better than the ones I suggest (they are not! Be sure). The people who really dived on Linux.... will know which are better.

Its not only about doing more things from terminal, don't be dump.
Lets keep this thread serious.

P.S. Though CentOS is a neat distro, maybe the best Red Hat based. Its a good choice(for servers), I just don't prefer it.

[Code.Illusionist]

Thank you for replies. ^^

[Syntax990]

+1 to everyone, there isn't really anything else we can say about Linux now!

In non-technical terms, I use Linux because you feel like you actually own your computer. I'm not taking from the free-software-movement or anything else like that. You get a sense of ownership and uniqueness that a Mac or Windows can't deliver.

[Code.Illusionist]

[L0aD1nG]

Well as it was obvious, I decided not to answer to Gx00. As it is also obvious that if I do he will never stop responding but today I reread his last response and it forced me to change my decision. So I will make a last try to show him that he is humiliating himself.


First of all, whatever you wrote and arguing about is based on my single 3 word phrase "Be a man"! Which by the way it was sarcastic and humorous intensive I would never be telling this seriously to a person that I don't yet know and also trying to help him. So I think this was obvious to anyone that read this, but not for Gx00 as his everyday trolling around probably corrupted his mind totally. But I hope thats clear now.

Lets see now I will take each idiot sentence you posted on the last response and analyze it, you know I love doing this; must of the times  for enemies but... He is forcing me now really.

And yet you keep posting shit like 'Be a man' and ridicule people for using operating systems you dislike.

So via that phrase (which I explained how it was to be meant) you understand that I ridicule people who are using Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin OS. Okay... consider the fact that I even talk with Ubuntu contributors and Mint users almost every single day though, also there is no logical thinking proof to claim that I am trying to do this via a 3 word phrase.

The fact is, regardless of whether you or I have more experience - you're fucking ignorant.

I am the ignorant on this right now??? HAHAHA someone help me please??? I didn't even spoke to you and you started a fucking Ubuntu War which I kinda hate nowadays cause its a total waste. But I am the ignorant? Gx00 you are not the guy who can claim others to be ignorant really, chill out.

There is nothing Linux related that you can learn on Debian that you CANNOT learn with Ubuntu, Mint, or any other derivative.

Correct, though distros like Ubuntu keen to make you not to learn. With a little logic you can see this by the many answers they provide in there forums doing things via GUI whenever is possible to. The fact that you are so many years on this and you educated yourself doesn't mean that everyone will. Ubuntu will install the proper GFX drivers with one-GUI-click properly Debian won't. New users will pick the GUI, and not the terminal way most of the times... but Debian its something I would like to leave out of the convo as much as possible just for the fact that I am addicted with it and I really don't want this to seem like a Buntu vs Debian.

Lets consider that fact, a guy that will install Arch Linux will be forced to learn important things before even get his OS ready and running, a guy that will install Ubuntu will learn totally nothing on the process. So having a distro like arch for your main distro will make you think and act that way... the terminal way.

So with few words...
The fact that you can learn everything on every distro, doesn't prove that you will learn everything in every distro.

The fact that you think ANY linux distro is not suitable for 'advanced' users is indicative of your own prejudice and not of reality. not to mention your liberal use of the subjective term 'better' without properly qualifying what 'better' means to you. No... you just think its 'better' because thats what you use.

What better is to me should take place on IRC, now lets see what worse means to me wanna?

UBUNTU THE WORST BULLSHIT EVER CREATED

Why???

Ubuntu installed by default a spyware on there next release after the 12.04LTS(if I am not mistaken). They doesn't let you choose though if you want this Ebay-Amazon  spyware to be installed on your system... cause they think that its legit(?), though its totally against the philosophy of Linux and Free Software etc. etc.

Wanna argue for this bro...? Here to them...

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
• https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
• https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do

not to me!
And now please don't tell me this --> "I can purge it... this and Unity why should I care?" cause you will keep being a dump, the thing is the action they made not that they will "let you"  purge it (only if you purge Unity too lol).

Now what did I say???
UNITY ohhh shit, almost forget it... this distro is developed by guys who are forking good working software (Gnome2) to something else (Unity) and then call it different and unique! Thats is the guys you started war about Gx00 reconsider this please, its a damn corporation who forks software..

Ohh come on what did I say???
CORPORATION, you are defending a corporation here Linux is all about community! But I know they have their community to, with their forum etc etc (though I kind respect their forum some important people are hanging there). Is that enough? Or should I continue the "Ohh come on what did I say???" thingy till tommorow?

I have a system that works for me. You have a system that works for you. and there will be another distro that works better for someone else.

Agreed.

but you go out of your way to spread bull shit and ridicule because it's not 'as good'??

I answered that already, it haven't had this intension even if it sounds weird for you. I made my own suggestions, that all.

my point about experience is that I have the experience. Been using various nix distros for over 15 years. In the last 8 years of primarily using Ubuntu I have not once come across an issue of 'hey, i can't do this'.

I wouldn't like to say that, but... I just remind you that you are 9 years older? (lol)

so 'better' is something you've imagined in your head - and if you were really experienced, you would see that it really doesnt fucking matter what distro you use. some are merely easier to use. none are really 'better' other than one may have better support for what you want to do with it.

First of all try using capital after "." , or Phage will "quick attack you" (this is a joke!) 

Now lets see Gx00, won't accept that Debian, Arch Linux, Gentoo is by far better than Ubuntu hahahahaha. I will try to be fast (though I already wrote to much). With 1-2 important arguments, will be enough I hope.

For Debian, Debian is running your shit bro. Debian does the kernel customizations, they are the ones who provide all the security updates, all the security updates are pulled from Debian repos if you would like to know this! They are the ones who started this on 1993 instead your corporation which made the first release on 2004 11 years later. If wasn't about Debian team your corporation might not even exist! Enough!

For Arch Linux, Arch Linux has almost the fastest  Linux customized Kernel, providing cutting edge software with a good amount of stability BY THERE OWN, Ubuntu is just another Debian based  around the hundreds other Debian based distros. Canocal has nothing to do with Arch Samuraiz.

For Gentoo, Gentoo has the ability to be even more stable and even more secure than Debian and to end being the best choice in my opinion. Though the opposite can also happen. As all the Gentoo super users are keen to go with the "compile from the source" philosophy (this system is built to work that way actually) and avoid the "binaries" as much as possible they have actually the ability to inspect the code from almost every single package that they are about to install, and even customize it if they want and it is open source (?). But you know its like C programming, its depended on "whos hands is on". Canonical has nothing to do with Gentoo "The Real Control Freaks".

Now I could get on more technical aspects, but I will let you search for them, when you realize that what you are claiming is wrong. There is 'better' and it will always exist... something better sooner or later. Thats all about Information Technology, newer-better things are coming out. Operating Systems is a fairly big part of Information Technology.


For anyone that felt annoyed by that post I am really really sorry, as I said I wasn't about to do it though his post "forced" me to do it...

Gx00 this was my last post on this unproductive conversation, took me more than 30 minutes to write this down.You have your own belief I have mine, its fine. Probably I wont respond again as its a total waste, either you leave it die or not.Stop being a dump I didn't do all this I was claimed for by you, I just wrote a humorous phrase ("Be a man") and you translated wrong thats all. Realize it please...

Have a nice day mate.
Cheers!

[madf0x]

Man someone got butthurt pretty fast. Need some ointment there buddy?

There are legitimate arguments for pretty much each distro, it boils down to what you want and how YOU want it. Will say security is hardly an argument for Debian Getting patches first cause you run the package manager upstream is not the same thing as having a secure system. Dabble a bit into exploit dev my friend, like it or hate it Ubuntu has more security features out of the box then a standard install of Debian. Yeah yeah unity is shit, everyone knows this, but Ubuntu is the go-to starter pack for linux users for a good reason. Mint has had it's hiccups but the last time I looked it was pretty nice, lack of bullshit, and ya know what? Sometimes it IS nice to have some gui stuff and other stuff done for you and sometimes I just can't help but give no fucks about the license war, if that graphics driver is better than this shitty one, Im gunnna use it cause Im not a masochist. People who suck Arch and Gentoo's cock over how they force you to setup everything yourself needs to be a real fucking man and set up a Linux From Scratch install. I liked Arch cause it had less bloat and pacman is a pretty sweet package manager, if your willing to be a lil risky the unofficial repos have packages for a lot of tools that normally youd have to hunt down yourself. Automation IS a good thing afterall(cept when its not).


Let's be honest with ourselves, outside of cultural reasons, the real reason why we tell people getting into security to use linux is because of the tool base. And that tool base exists because linux as a whole is better geared towards rapid scripting(which comprises like what, 90% of the tools out there?).


As for general 'why linux?' as OP asks, I like it simply because no matter how hard shit hits the fan(oh and it WILL happen no matter what you running), linux is pretty easy to straighten out and get back into working order. And if you cant, fuck it always wanted to try out 'that' distro anyways.

[L0aD1nG]

Need some ointment there buddy?

Hahaha, nice one.

Dabble a bit into exploit dev my friend, like it or hate it Ubuntu has more security features out of the box then a standard install of Debian.

Can you name me few of those features that are developed exclusively by Canonical? If its about stand-alone (developed by others) packages which are installed on Ubuntu by default and not in Debian(but they are available in Debian repos) avoid answering the question there is not reason, as I can install them if I need them.

Im not a masochist. People who suck Arch and Gentoo's cock over how they force you to setup everything yourself needs to be a real fucking man and set up a Linux From Scratch install.

They force you nothing... there system is built on that philosophy. Its your choice pick them or not pick them. Though there are alternatives which can be installed via GUI :

• Manjaro (Arch) --> https://manjaro.github.io/
• Funtoo (Gentoo) --> http://www.funtoo.org/

I just always go with the "firestarters".


I didn't say that GUI is not needed man, I just say that for people who would like to really educate themselves on Linux... its all about Terminal. I hope you agree on that right?

[madf0x]

Can you name me few of those features that are developed exclusively by Canonical? If its about stand-alone (developed by others) packages which are installed on Ubuntu by default and not in Debian(but they are available in Debian repos) avoid answering the question there is not reason, as I can install them if I need them.
They force you nothing... there system is built on that philosophy. Its your choice pick them or not pick them.

Developed by canonical? Fuck no, why reinvent the wheel? I was saying that arguing the point of security is silly when they dont have a lot of sane options enabled by default. Yes you can get them via the repos but where da fuck you think Ubuntu got them from? I literally said that out of the box Ubuntu has more security features enabled than a base Debian install, ergo it was silly to use security as a metric in favor of pure debian. If both CAN, but only one DOES, well...

And oh fucking course they have different philosophies and it's my choice to pick or not pick them. Thats literally the point of having multiple distros lol Also Id say a good 2/3rds+ of my post wasn't directed specifically at you, don't take things so personally man.


There should also be a law about how if linux is mentioned in inevitably turns into an argument about which distros are the best. Happens everytime without fail.

[L0aD1nG]

There should also be a law about how if linux is mentioned in inevitably turns into an argument about which distros are the best. Happens everytime without fail.

Hahaha, I really didn't start this. You can check your own. Who made the first flame post. I just tried to give my advice to someone who asked for it I guess.


Well I just asked this cause thats how it sounded in my ears, and we(me and you) are not arguing I just made a question so maybe you knew some information that I didn't.  As for the security part, I said that for years ubuntu was pulling all the security updates from Debian repos.

[madf0x]

Hahaha, I really didn't start this. You can check your own. Who made the first flame post. I just tried to give my advice to someone who asked for it I guess.


Well I just asked this cause thats how it sounded in my ears, and we(me and you) are not arguing I just made a question so maybe you knew some information that I didn't.  As for the security part, I said that for years ubuntu was pulling all the security updates from Debian repos.

Yeah I know, it just crops up in every discussion about linux and distribution. Should be a law for it. And of course they are pulling security updates from debian repos, its a debian based distribution Simply last I checked(which was admittedly awhile ago), base debian didn't support real ASLR or NX, they had limited version enough to check it off and say they had it and had trivial bypasses. Not to mention lack of kernel support for a lot of memory protections without installing a fresh kernel and some other nasties. Ubuntu had at least half of those features enabled. Don't know how they currently compare, I don't have a VM for every distro out there afterall

[Syntax990]

Let's try not jump too far off subject.

@OP. The only severe problem that Linux users face is that they cannot agree which distribution is the best, and just talking about a distro is enough to cause war.