Starting programming?

[x0nic]

well spoken, but

spend days learning how to solve it

tends to be my definite understanding of NOT being lazy.
It's all a matter of view points, I guess. Some ppl say "it's not 'work', if you enjoy shit", but I'd disagree to that. Solving problems actually IS work, it's a whole shitload of; and true senses of pleasure mostly approach afterwards, i.e. after succeeding. But the solving process itself usually requires quite decent abilities of the "argh, shit drives me insane, but I'll never surrender for fucking reposes sake" kind. You know.
My POV.

[xor]

You are both right, of course. Laziness is a perspective, and there is a fine line between efficiency and laziness.


Speaking from my own perspective and experience.


The more frequently I have to do something, the more likely I am to automate the process so I don't have to do it any more. That's both efficient AND lazy. The task becomes my problem, and if I can't do it by automating it completely or pressing a single button, I'm gonna be pissed that I actually have to do some work for once.

[PUnit]

Some great posts, thanks everyone for the inspiration.
I'm back to programming and will be more persistent this time.

[xor]

Laziness is the unwillingness to do work or expend energy. By spending the time and effort to automate you are not being lazy.....you would not be there drinking a coffee and watching tv all day....

Not being "lazy" whilst programming, no, but programming so that I can continue to be lazy once it's done. Drinking a coffee and watching things on youtube, browsing reddit is most of my day.

[xor]

I feel sorry for you then. I can't imagine working in such an unstimulating job. I'd rather be working at mcdonalds all day than wasting my life youtubing and redditting.

Just because I'm browsing youtube or reddit, does not mean I'm not learning anything.
I'd rather be getting paid to learn, than paid to work.

[techb]

Just because I'm browsing youtube or reddit, does not mean I'm not learning anything.
I'd rather be getting paid to learn, than paid to work.

Agreed. At my job I have around 8 to 9 hours of down time on may hands. Which is spent mostly reading RFC docs, other docs  for python libs, linux man pages, etc...

[iTpHo3NiX]

8 or 9 hours of downtime? I don't know how long people work a day in your country, but thats the ENTIRE day where I'm from. If you have that much down time every day, you're being paid to do nothing.

And reading pydocs, man pages, rfc's, etc is a far cry from reddit and youtube. Learning is one thing. Wasting your life on youtube and reddit is another.

The life of a security officer ;-) paid to do literally almost nothing for more than minimum wage. That's why I've been on irc while I'm "working" if you ever notice I'm on for about 8 hours lmfao

Also techb, the problem I have is I can't just read docs on my phone, I need to be messing with it. Say I'm watching a udemy class, I can't just watch and retain I need to practice and move around in Android Studio. Also when im reading I find it hard to not try any of the code. How can you do that?

[techb]

8 or 9 hours of downtime? I don't know how long people work a day in your country, but thats the ENTIRE day where I'm from. If you have that much down time every day, you're being paid to do nothing.

And reading pydocs, man pages, rfc's, etc is a far cry from reddit and youtube. Learning is one thing. Wasting your life on youtube and reddit is another.

I work 12 hour shifts for 3 days, the 4th day is a 6 hour so I get 42 hours a week. I technically get paid to drive around a mountain in a company truck and make sure nothing is on fire or stolen. Which, sometimes I do have to do things pending on what is going on. Like helping people with broken down cars of ATVs, running bears out of dumpsters and away from the workers, making sure shaft fans are running else the miners would suffocate underground. I've also been shot at from pill heads trying to steal copper. BUT, most of the time 'aint shit going on so hence all the down time.

I do reddit, but offline. There are plenty of subreddits for learning. Like TIL, news, world news, AMA's, and just the comments in general. I also dick off too, like watch movies and browse 9gag offline, youtube vids I download before hand and stuff. But the majority is docs and learning, cause it's what I like doing.

The life of a security officer ;-) paid to do literally almost nothing for more than minimum wage. That's why I've been on irc while I'm "working" if you ever notice I'm on for about 8 hours lmfao

Also techb, the problem I have is I can't just read docs on my phone, I need to be messing with it. Say I'm watching a udemy class, I can't just watch and retain I need to practice and move around in Android Studio. Also when im reading I find it hard to not try any of the code. How can you do that?

SL4A. Since I code in Python and do almost everything with Python I can test most stuff out. The stuff I can't test, like that requires root or internet or some lib that uses ctypes or something wont work, but I write the script anyway and test stuff that will work. Then, when I get home I can run and debug and shit. Makes it easier since at home I'm editing code instead of writing it all by scratch.