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Miyamoto Musashi
« on: August 01, 2015, 07:53:04 am »
Miyamoto Musashi

Short introduction:

Miyamoto Musashi (around 1584-1645) was legendary swordsman of Japan known for creating his own fighting style with two swords. He had no master (as every samurai does), so he was ronin. Many historians do agree that he was the most skilled swordsman for fact that he won over 60 duels on life and death until he reached age of 30. It is known that he was a wanderer, looking to attain glory by challenging various people to a duel. He is also the author of book "The book of Five rings" in which he explain the path (or the way) of the warrior and teaching of his school Niten Ichi-ryū .

His first duel:

At the age of 13 he was already confident enough to challenge an older samurai named Arima Kibie of the Shinto Ryu (school). Arima made the mistake of disrespecting Musashi by treating him like a child, which resulted in Musashi throwing him on the floor and beating him with a six foot wooden staff until his opponent died vomiting blood.

At 16:

At 16 Musashi left the monastery and it would not be long before he found himself fighting his second duel, which he won easily. Soon after he would face a tougher challenge when he fought in the Battle of Sekigakarai (1600) on the side of the Ashikaga Clan against the victorious army of Ieyasu Tokugawa.

Seijuro Yoshioka

 This duel was fought with bokken (wooden sword) and like many instances of one-on-one combat at the time, was not meant to be to the death. Both warriors agreed beforehand that the winner would be declared by a single blow which was promptly administered by Musashi, who broke Seijuro’s arm in the process. After the battle, Seijuro retired from his position as head of the Yoshioka Ryu and became a Zen monk.

Denshichiro Yoshioka

As the brother of Seijuro, Denshichiro became the head of the family and soon challenged Musashi in order to regain honour for his family name. This time the duel would be to the death and as was his custom, Musashi turned up late in order to get his opponent angry, a tactic that worked well on both the Yoshioka brothers. Fighting again with a bokken, Musashi won the fight easily, killing his opponent instantly with a head blow and leaving the reputation of the Yoshioka Ryu in ruins.

Matashichiro Yoshioka

The new head of the Yoshioka Clan was a 12 year old named Matashichiro, who also challenged the warrior who had brought dishonour to his family. As the time requested for the fight was at night, Musashi became suspicious that foul play was afoot so he turned up early and hid himself from sight.

Sure enough, when the boy arrived he had a retinue of men armed with swords, bows and rifles who all found a hiding place intending to ambush Musashi while Matashichiro acted as bate. When the time was right, Musashi charged the young warrior and cut his head clean off. Surrounded by the boy’s retinue, he then drew his second sword and cut himself a path through the men trying to kill him before escaping into nearby rice fields.

This not only ended the Yoshioka Ryu, but was also a pivotal moment for Musashi according to many historians as it is believed that it was his first conception of fighting with two swords, a style that would become his trade mark in later years.

The Defeat of Sasaki Kojiro

The most famous duel Miyamoto Musashi fought while on his musha shugyo was against Sasaki Kojiro in 1612, who at the time was the Shogun’s martial arts teacher and the most feared and respected warrior in the land. Kojiro was seen as the ideal warrior who looked and acted the part of the samurai as laid out in the bushido code to a tee.

Musashi on the other hand was the complete opposite who was less concerned with his image or how society perceived him and more concerned with beating anyone who faced him in battle. The two agreed to meet on an island and unsurprisingly Kojiro turned up in a timely manner, sporting the best clothes and swords money could buy.

Musashi however made his opponent wait knowing that his turning up late would anger him, thus having a negative effect on his concentration and focus; Kojiro’s anger would have only increased when his opponent did finally arrive sporting his usual dirty rags instead of attire befitting a man of their social class.

Kojiro had his swords made just a little longer than the average sword length to give himself reach advantage over his opponents however it seems Musashi knew this and devised a strategy to combat it. It is believed that he fought with a bokken that he fashioned out of an oar on the boat ride to the island, making it longer than his opponent’s sword in order to beat him at his own game.

When the fight began, the two moved to attack simultaneously and Musashi’s reach advantage showed through from the start as while Kojiro managed to cut a nick in Musashi’s clothes, he himself was cut in the head. The two great samurai warriors moved towards each other for a second attack and once again Kojiro could only cut his opponent’s clothes while the extra few inches of the bokken allowed Musashi to cut his opponent’s throat, killing him instantly. In other versions of the story, Musashi uses two sticks to defeat his enemy and in others still he wins the fight with two swords (as depicted below).

Quotes:

“Teaching people a large number of sword techniques is turning the way into a business of selling goods, making beginners believe that there is something profound in their training by impressing them with a variety of techniques. This attitude toward strategy must be avoided, because thinking that there is a variety of ways of cutting a man down is evidence of a disturbed mind. In the world, different ways of cutting a man down do not exist.”

“The important thing is to polish wisdom and the mind in great detail. If you sharpen wisdom, you will understand what is just and unjust in society and also the good and the evil of this world; then you will come to know all kinds of arts and you will tread different ways. In this manner, no one in this world will succeed in deceiving you. It is after this stage that you will arrive at the wisdom of strategy. The wisdom of strategy is entirely distinct. Even right in the middle of a battle where everything is in rapid movement, it is necessary to attain the most profound principle of strategy, which assures you an immovable mind. You must examine this well.”

“When your opponent is hurrying recklessly, you must act contrarily and keep calm. You must not be influenced by the opponent.”

“This is a truth: when you sacrifice your life, you must make fullest use of your weaponry. It is false not to do so, and to die with a weapon yet undrawn.”

For the end

By my opinion, Miyamoto Musashi was without a doubt the most badass character I ever heard of. The tactics he applied to annoy oppoenents and the way he challenged most known warrior with a bokken was damn good enough to be known as legend today. So what you guys think?
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2015, 08:41:01 am »
Cool story. There is just one thing I did not understand: How could he cut the opponent with a bokken?

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2015, 08:48:44 am »
I am no familiar with the weapon to tell you how, but numerous history finding say that bokken is very dangerous weapon and it can kill. It's most likely because, when you hit someone hard, the skin will be ripped at that place and cause bleeding. Bokken was forbiden of use for practice in 19th century for new Kendo since many people got hurt by it, so insted , they use bamboo sword called shinai.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2015, 11:54:16 am »
According to this wikipedia entry, it can be quite deadly. Probably because it is intended to mimic a katana in feel and usage, which means it is probably quite sharp and accordingly dangerous when
wielded with speed and force.

EDIT: I guess a cut can result from blunt weapons, since the tissue hit with it can be deformed and torn. On the other hand, it probably does not really qualify as a cut.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2015, 12:41:45 pm »
A bokken is a blunt weapon. I was a Kendoka for quite a while and I know that you can easily break someone's arm or skull with it. Hence we only use it for Kendo Kata.
But cutting? I doubt that.

Edit: Where did you get that cool picture from Musashi?
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2015, 02:36:28 pm »
Thanks for the good read.  :D

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2015, 06:21:27 pm »
I found image on google image search.  But main source is most likely from Deviantart, but I am not sure. It's just a fan art, in reality, he was ugly as fuck due to rare showers and skin problem he had in early age.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2015, 06:30:41 pm »
Wow, that's a badass.
 I always admired swordsmanship, I really wanted to do fencing wen I was young, but no nearby facilities :(.
Anws thanks OP for the share, definetaly a good read
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2015, 07:21:23 pm »
Shishido Baiken

While on his way to Edo in the autumn of 1607, Miyamoto Musashi had a duel with Shishido Baiken, a skilled swordsman, who was a master of the kusarigama, a sickle with a chain and a weight attached to one end. Baiken wanted to end Musashi's reputation as an invincible duelist, but was unsuccessful. Musashi struck a deadly blow first, and as Baiken fell on the floor, his pupils began to attack Musashi, but quickly ran away, frightened by Musashi's skills with two blades.

Muso Gonnosuke

Later that year, Muso Gonnosuke, a famous and arrogant swordsman, challenged Musashi to a duel. Gonnosuke was a master of the Tenshin Katori Shinto Ryu and the founder of the Koryu school of jojutsu (jujutsu is a short staff technique as opposed to bojutsu) known as Shinto Musoryu. It was claimed that Gonnosuke had never lost a duel, and had defeated Japan's finest swordsman. Historians say that Musashi's father, Shinmen Munisai, had previously fought against Gonnosuke in a non-lethal duel.

Both Miyamoto Musashi and his opponent agreed to fight with wooden swords. Gonnosuke was quickly disabled with a single blow from Musashi's bokuto. Strongly affected by his defeat, Gonnosuke withdrew to a Shinto monastery where he contemplated his defeat and developed new techniques that he hoped would allow him to defeat Musashi.

Musashi and Gonnosuke dueled again sometime later and even though Gonnosuke used his newly developed Jojutsu techniques this time, the outcome was still the same: Musashi won again.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2015, 09:24:05 pm »
As i read this it makes me think of Samuri X .

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2015, 01:01:09 am »
If this had been a school report or something, I would probably give it a B+.

Also, bokken used to be designed differently.  The wood used, given the way it was made, had a snapping point.  It's possible that someone who was properly trained could deliberately strike with an appropriate amount of force to break it in such a way that it would become sharp.  You could, optionally, also sharpen it.  Then again, legends are often slightly exaggerated.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2015, 01:11:16 am »
As i read this it makes me think of Samuri X .
Those movies are standalone movies using the main character from Rurouni Kenshin, which the character is an amalgamation of a number of Japanese folk stories/historical people.

@OP - yeah he is rather well known, but given all of history to use, he wouldnt even make my top 10 of most bad ass.
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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2015, 02:45:11 am »
Those movies are standalone movies using the main character from Rurouni Kenshin, which the character is an amalgamation of a number of Japanese folk stories/historical people.

Yea i know ,its just first thing that came to mind..
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@OP - yeah he is rather well known, but given all of history to use, he wouldnt even make my top 10 of most bad ass.



Do tell us of these bad asses you speak of  ;D

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2015, 04:39:29 am »

Do tell us of these bad asses you speak of  ;D

Honestly i had a decent bit written, and wanted to provide background...then well this is funnier, and has several that i was listing anyway. note this article doesnt have all that i would add, their is others of this level of sheer badassery that i might post later.

http://www.cracked.com/article_17019_5-real-life-soldiers-who-make-rambo-look-like-pussy.html

Oh and as an addendum, simply because its worth the read:
http://www.knox.army.mil/associated/samc/moh.aspx
Audie Murphy's Medal of Honor citation.

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Re: Miyamoto Musashi
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2015, 08:04:08 am »
It is fine to have different list of badass people, for we all have different criteria with it. For me, badass is when you use melee weapon to fight someone, face to face, rather then snipe people from long distance. But that does not mean I dislike sniper shooter. I pretty much like Zajcev, russian ww2 sniper dude. It can be due to fact that I didn't heard of more people so, my list kinda look like this. I remember there was some kind of gladiator who won his freedom over and over. That's also badass.
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