Arch Linux

[frog]

That's whatsup. Thanks proxx

[Xtatics]

I'll be honest. I've apparently gotten pretty lazy over the last 10 years with GUI installers for Linux. So I downloaded Arch and goes to command line. Of course I use bash daily so zcsh is foreign to me to begin with. But then I'm like, Umm, guess I'll read the README. 'Download image'. Well hell I already did that....I think I just gave up at that point. (Overworked, don't care enough to try). But sounds like an interesting OS. When I stop being lazy I'll try it out. I have Fedora running as a test server but not really liking it for that. Too much hassle getting some services installed properly.

[proxx]

Archlinux is not meant for human beings.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
All you need to know and more.


Its a fair game really.
You give something and you get a lot in return.
But indeed its not ubuntu spooning all the shit for you.

[frog]

I'll be honest. I've apparently gotten pretty lazy over the last 10 years with GUI installers for Linux. So I downloaded Arch and goes to command line. Of course I use bash daily so zcsh is foreign to me to begin with. But then I'm like, Umm, guess I'll read the README. 'Download image'. Well hell I already did that....I think I just gave up at that point. (Overworked, don't care enough to try). But sounds like an interesting OS. When I stop being lazy I'll try it out. I have Fedora running as a test server but not really liking it for that. Too much hassle getting some services installed properly.

Why do you think I downloaded cinnarch? It comes with a pre-configured desktop and then you can use the arch wiki to tweak little bits and pieces from there.

[fluxdaemon]

Why do you think I downloaded cinnarch? It comes with a pre-configured desktop and then you can use the arch wiki to tweak little bits and pieces from there.

That's what I did with Archbang.


Cinnarch comes with Cinnamon and Archbang comes with Openbox so just choose whichever one you would like more

[proxx]

I dont really get it.
Whats so hard about installing arch?

its just reading basically.
I can do the install in roughly 25 min.

If I wanted all kinda bloat i'd just install ubuntu.

[fluxdaemon]

It's difficult for a lot of beginners because it's a lot of command line work. Even if you've used Linux for a while, it doesn't mean you know much about the command line, especially if you're switching over from Windows or Mac

[Xtatics]

I dont really get it.
Whats so hard about installing arch?

its just reading basically.
I can do the install in roughly 25 min.

If I wanted all kinda bloat i'd just install ubuntu.

Not that it's hard, just being lazy. I'll eventually get around to reading on how to do it.  I mainly deal with Fedora and CentOS (With cPanel/Plesk <-- yuck) and a very rare Ubuntu when we run into it.  I'll skip the easy configs for this one and go the hard way when it comes around to it.

[frog]

I dont really get it.
Whats so hard about installing arch?

its just reading basically.
I can do the install in roughly 25 min.

If I wanted all kinda bloat i'd just install ubuntu.

It's very logical actually. Why spend time configuring X, your login manager and init scripts for everything when you can install Arch with a preconfigured system.

Think about the difference between Debian Linux and Ubuntu. Then think about the speed difference between the two.

If you know anything about plain Debian then you know that it runs faster out of the box than Ubuntu; in Debian you don't have nearly as many kernel modules or add-on software. My point is Debian runs fine out of the box and is not a bloated piece of shit.

You should be comparing Cinnarch or Archbang to Debian and Debian is not as 'bloated' as Ubuntu.

Why waste time configuring a system for desktop use? If it were a server I wouldn't even install a window manager.

Any good hacker knows to reuse resources and conserve time whenever possible.

[proxx]

Id expected to step on some toes here.
Look preconfiguration is what im heavily against.

Sure it costs some time do configure stuff.
But I can honestly say I know my system.
Every single package and every single conf.

The install is just a great learning experience by itself.
I did 'not' know linux before I used arch

[frog]

Id expected to step on some toes here.
Look preconfiguration is what im heavily against.

Sure it costs some time do configure stuff.
But I can honestly say I know my system.
Every single package and every single conf.

The install is just a great learning experience by itself.
I did 'not' know linux before I used arch

I definitely appreciate where you're coming from; once you've been through the whole process and you get to know what all the parts of linux or bsd are and see how they work together it is glorious but at the same time:
why waste your time with all that bullshit?

Yes it is nice to know what is going on with your OS down to the last file for configuration. At the same time; there is a plausibility for rootikits(stealth code) to run on your system, in which case it doesn't matter one bit how aware of the OS you are(unless you build a bad-ass debugger which can monitor things like system calls, execution flow and driver code then you are just as ignorant as the next man).

[proxx]

Well since this is a board driven by hackers/security enthusiast Im suprised about your statement.
Having deep internal knowledge about any system is what seperates the hacker from the end user.
Stamping it "a waste of time" is curious.
Or am I really missing something here.

And that thing about rootkits, how did that get into the discussion ?

[frog]

I agree with you, it is important to know your system; but there's a line to be drawn. Why do monotonous things like configuring X, gdm, etc.. when you can download a distro that's ready to use?

The fact that rootkits exist defines the notion of fine grain control you are defending.

Yes I am for control and knowing your system(like you said this is a hacker board), but like I was saying before it's a waste of time to configure a base system like bsd or arch and turn it into a desktop system.

That is my opinion; nothing more, nothing less.

The argument is sound and straight-forward: It is not necessary to configure your linux/bsd from the ground up if there is a pre-configured system already out there.

This is my OPINION..

[proxx]

We clearly have different opinions about the subject and thats fine.
Im not disrespecting nor smiting you for this.

I just noticed the longer iam a linux user the further I tend to go back to the roots.
Me started with some ubuntu cd back in the days, I didnt know shit.
Hell thats not even that long ago.
I discovered that I could do a lot of clicky clicky but still I didnt really understand what was happening.
So I went to to commandline.
Some things about ubuntu started to piss me off big time, such as apt-get and network-manager.
God please erase network-manager world wide.

I decided to really burn my fingers and install arch.
Tried dozen of distros before including ; suse , debian, mint shit, fedora, centos and many more.
I stuck to arch.

[lucid]

I gotta take proxx's side on this one. When I first installed Arch it took me forever and since I had never done it before the reading didn't seem to make sense. Now that I've done it plenty of times(because I'm stupid) I can install the whole system in about 20 minutes. Really all it is is a series of simple commands. I wouldn't call it a waste of time. I've never used cinnarch or any of that but my knowledge of GUI installs and preinstallation is that it takes just as much and usually more time to install anyway. Plus, I think it's fun. 

Also, I really like systemd.  At first I was a little outraged that they switched up. I thought that removing /etc/rc.conf was the worst thing in the world. After all why would you go from one config file with all the daemons and modules in one place to systemd. Then I realized how easy it is to enable/disable services. I also didn't like that the startup looked different. Now I can't even remember what it looked like before. Like at all.

As for the original question:

- Fast
- Clean filesystem
- Completely mine
- Logo looks cool 
- Best name for distro imo