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The Conscience of a Hacker
« on: February 26, 2013, 03:12:32 pm »
Following up on the Cyberpunk manifesto, I was thinking of posting this one here as well. I'm pretty sure many of you have already seen it and read it, however maybe some people haven't. I also searched on the forums and didn't manage to find a thread in which it was posted.

Link to the manifesto in phrack.org's archive
http://www.phrack.org/issues.html?issue=7&id=3&mode=txt

From Wikipedia:
"The Conscience of a Hacker (also known as The Hacker Manifesto) is a small essay written January 8, 1986 by a computer security hacker who went by the handle of The Mentor. It was written after the author's arrest, and first published in the underground hacker enzine Phrack in Volume One, Issue 7, Phile 3 of 10. It can be found on many websites, as well as on t-shirts and in films.
It is considered a cornerstone of hacker culture, and it gives some insight into the psychology of early hackers. It is said to have shaped the hacker community's view of itself and its motivations.
The Manifesto
states that hackers choose to hack because it is a way for them to learn, and because they are often frustrated and bored by the limitations of standard society. It also expresses the satori of a hacker realizing his potential in the realm of computers.
The Manifesto acts as a guideline to hackers across the globe, especially those new to the field. It serves as an ethical foundation for hacking, and asserts that there is a point to hacking that supersedes selfish desires to exploit or harm other people, and that technology should be used to expand our horizons and try to keep the world free."
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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2013, 04:08:58 pm »
+1 I always enjoy seeing people discover the Manifesto. How did it make you feel Mordred? I first read it when I was 16 (it's been so long since then, but it feels like it was just yesterday :/ ). My whole dynamic on life changed after I read it. It has, without a doubt, been one of the most influential pieces of literature in my life.

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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2013, 07:32:27 pm »
Didn't think anybody saw the Cyberpunk manifesto :P I remember reading this when I first started out, even printed it out and stuck it in the front of my school binder. I still live by this today, because of how accurately it portrays the world around us (in my eyes at least). It kind of falls inline with the cyberpunk manifesto, having the same general idea's and all. I know how horribly cliche it is, but I think we should sticky this, we are a netsec hack forum anyways, and for those who want to start out and for some reason came here first, may as well introduce them to the great literary works of the culture.

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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 05:54:40 pm »
Honestly, The Conscience of a Hacker still gives me the shivers every time I read it. I don't read it every day, but damn it's nice to go back and see it every once in awhile. Bit of nostalgia, bit of a reminder that we're all alike, and also a reminder that shit hasn't changed despite all the "education reform" every president seems to want to enact.
Thanks for the link and the memories OP.

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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2013, 09:19:11 am »
How did it make you feel Mordred? I first read it when I was 16 (it's been so long since then, but it feels like it was just yesterday :/ ). My whole dynamic on life changed after I read it. It has, without a doubt, been one of the most influential pieces of literature in my life.

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I absolutely love seeing that simulation of a black hole's event horizon! It's so mesmerizing, and gets me excited to try and discover things that are yet unknown!

I read it for the first time in 1999 (I was 8 and had just gotten one of my first PCs) and was a bit confused on it because I didn't quite understand what the guy means. Over the years I came to realize certain stuff about the world as a whole, from the complexions of certain people, to the malicious acts that I never imagined a government could do. Over the past 4 years while in University (during this time I really went into hacking properly, not just bullshit) I've changed my whole perception on the world very dramatically, and now, finally, I can read the manifesto top to bottom and I find myself in each word that this guy has written.

As to the black hole lensing avatar, I've always been really into this kind of stuff for about 3 years and in my spare time I study physics (quantum mechanics, unified theory, stuff from the LHC, nanotech, cosmic science - black holes, quasars, pulsars, magnetars, whatever).

Bit of nostalgia, bit of a reminder that we're all alike, and also a reminder that shit hasn't changed despite all the "education reform" every president seems to want to enact.
Thanks for the link and the memories OP.

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Lol random song, but Thnks fr th Mmrs :P

You're welcome, nice song by the way  ;) . Personally I find the manifesto more of a reminder that not only are we all the same, but we should also be fighting the same thing. Loose groups like Anonymous are defined perfectly by this text, and it sums up in one page their whole motivation/reason/cause to fight against the oppressive governments that are currently ruling this planet.
I do indeed share most of their views as well, that's why for me personally this paper is just amazing.
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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2013, 09:52:25 am »
Mordred, I think your awesome and very intelligent, but i have to disagree about Anon for various reasons. I don't have much time to write this right now, but ill just start by saying that defacing a useless gov't website does nothing but annoy little school kids who might be writing a paper based on the information on that site. It shows protest and disdain for the gov't, but it doesn't help anyone and really only serves to downgrade the fight for freedom of knowledge. They sort of have it right with their thinking, IMO, but they way they go about it is what i disagree with. Defacing government websites doesn't help anyone, it's truly just a nuisance. Not to mention that it's nigh impossible to state that you agree with their views, because they're unorganized, and anyone can claim to be a part of it, even without agreeing with each others views. There are plenty of things people with said ideology can do to help this world. Sqli is not one of them. Government may often times overstep their purpose, but detaining the services they provide is more of a detriment to the people.
 I may right more to your response on this later, though, i have to go now. Also, if you get a smite, know that it wasn't me :D Some people here just really hate it when you talk about anon. I don't mind it personally, but i think its important to look at what they do objectively.
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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2013, 01:13:04 pm »
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ill just start by saying that defacing a useless gov't website does nothing
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 I may right more to your response on this later, though, i have to go now. Also, if you get a smite, know that it wasn't me :D Some people here just really hate it when you talk about anon. I don't mind it personally, but i think its important to look at what they do objectively.
Defacing is not everything anyway (read below for a more detailed explanation).
I don't really care about getting a smite for that. I'm more objective on this than most people, and still everything I see daily makes my insides burn.
Don't get me wrong, I'm for the general ideology of the movement, not for each particular individual's wishes. I know the nature of the group and I've documented myself quite a lot on them. I'm gonna write a small wall of text on my views, and I would like to stress that I am a man of science so I don't make claims I can't back up. For any extra information feel free to PM me or reply here.





Protest by it's nature should help. So defacing or DDoSing a website (if it were a legal form of protest) would be the equivalent to organizing a group of people and marching on some corporation to block access into the building (which is a legitimate form of protest). But screw the Anon skids who do defacing and DDoSing cause they are just small players.

What I'm talking about is the big players in the movement, the people who have the knowledge and skill to infiltrate a highly secured server and obtain information (which is confidential) that proves the malicious acts of governments and corporations. These guys formed the main ideology of Anonymous by proving that the current system, whilst flawed in itself, is even more destructive because of a hand full of people who manipulate certain key aspects (money and banking, mainstream media like Fox News, etc).

It's a fact that the "99% vs 1%" issue is the biggest problem at the moment, and this is not debatable. As a consequence of this we have world hunger, wars and so much more bullshit (we throw away 3 billion tons of food a year, when 1.5 billion would be enough to end world hunger). Of course in most cases religion plays a large role, but it's not like governmental agencies do anything in order to educate people on what religion is and isn't, that you should respect others beliefs etc. What they do is initiate propagandist campaigns in order to infuse the people with a hatred of the other one. As I said before, the whole system which rules Earth at the moment is deeply deeply flawed and people are fucking stupid.

That's why I believe that the actions of this hacker collective (again, disregarding the stupid skiddies who don't understand shit about how this planet revolves) and of it's non-hacker followers who went and protested in the streets (I refer here to the Occupy movement of course) are done in such an obvious way that not even the stupidest person could deny it. When somebody shows you a paper ratified by a governmental agency which states that (for example) they've been poisoning the water with more fluoride than the scientifically proven safe limit (this is for the US because in EU they stopped fluoridation of water in 1990) you can't say "that's not true" anymore. You have the proof right in front of your eyes.

The lack of transparency of large institutions and corporations and the increasing number of attempts to destroy individual privacy through bills like SOPA/PIPA/CISPA and any derivative thereof are what initiated this movement. Over time it has grown and spread out many individual branches that have various goals and fight various enemies, but, in the end, we're all fighting against this so called "1%".

People think that it's all wishy washy and will go away, but anybody who truly understands how this economic system works is fully aware that it's crash is inevitable. Might be 10, might be 20 years, but one thing is sure: it will fall. And when it does, there's most likely two things that can happen: civil war or a peaceful swapping of systems. If we don't do anything NOW it will for sure be the situation of civil wars. It isn't a random thing that the symbol of the movement is the mask from the movie "V for Vendetta". The movie depicts one possible outcome of the revolution that is currently brewing in the world. Fortunately it presents a more peaceful swapping (yes, the Parliament exploded) because when the people march on the Parliament building, the soldiers DON'T OPEN FIRE. Critical moment, because that won't happen in real life unless we let absolutely every single individual on this planet, including the soldiers, know everything that Anonymous knows. You can't initiate a change of perception in a persons mind without first showing him that his current view is deeply flawed.

The situation in it's current state is indeed very complicated and convoluted. Following it is a headache that I've given myself for the past 3 years, and some might wonder why. Well it's very simple. Whilst right now many people are confused as to who is doing what and where (on both sides, Anon and govt) when shit will hit the fan the question will be simple: on who's side are you? Are you on the side of the oppressive institution which intends to starve you, beat you and most likely kill you for trying to stand up for yourself, or are you on the side of the faceless, leaderless group of people who can't take this shit anymore.

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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #7 on: February 28, 2013, 07:09:21 pm »
I don't have anything against the anons personally, they have definitely made a foothold in the media and the world. They do have some very skilled hackers on their team, and know how to use them properly. I am glad that they are trying to change the world, make it a better place, but I'm just not sure if I agree with the methods they are using. Another thing that kind of bugs me is the what they have done to the public's perception of a "hacker". When they hear that word, they automatically of a teenage Guy Fawkes mask wearing rebel who's only intention is to overthrow the government and steal all their information. We as netsec professionals ourselves know this isn't true, but when it comes to the public, its not truth that matters, its what they perceive to be true.

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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2013, 04:08:47 am »
@Corrupted_Fear: I agree.
@Mordred: Lol you sound exactly like a friend of mine :D But i agree with you as well, and brilliant defense of your point. We may have to talk more sometime :P
However, i never disagreed with how certain people affiliated with anon exposed certain aspects of the government. That is indeed far more purposeful than defacing a website. But to identify myself with anon is to identify myself with a group without a name, powerful in theory but not in actuality. There are far more defaces associated with anon than useful things. And the majority, sadly, takes the cake, no matter the original ideologies. And this creates a negative impact on the entire movement, or the idea of free information period. I understand disagreeing with the skids and adhering to the original concept, but personally id rather identify myself with a group less loose. Anyone can come up with something and say it is the motives of anon, when if I, if an anon member, may not agree myself.
Additionally, the original anons should be bolder about their actual vision, rather than let it be tainted by lesser people. The lack of organization prevents the ability to make serious change, because they are not moving in bulk. It only hurts the cause, by giving the government an opportunity to declare all 'hackers' as bad people, and doesn't even prevent them from being caught, as many prominent members recently were. I know that this anarchial lack of organization is what many love about anon, but it simply does not work.
I will end by saying that they also promote anarchy with their actions, not necessarily reform or even an entirely new government. I realize that many here, since this is a hackers forum, agree with anarchy, but when looked at objectively there are several fundamental reasons it does not work, or at least can not work as of yet. I can detail myself further, if youd wish, but it would be pointless to do so unless you happen to be an anarchist. If you are, simply detail that for me and I will explain further :)
Finally, i want to apologize for coming on your thread with my first words being more of a criticism. I should have first talked about what the original post meant to me. I too am always moved by that poem, and that and the one posted by corrupted are always inspiring to read. Thank you for your post, and I am enjoying the debate +1(again, as i happen to really like you, even if it may seem that every time i comment on something you say i disagree) :D
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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2013, 09:57:13 am »
Trust me Uriah, I'm really happy to be able to debate a theme with somebody of a higher intellectual level. All of my friends I've already dominated in 99% of the arguments/debates I've had with them, so hearing an actual logical and properly constructed argument is great.

I actually agree with most of your post, and for further reference I consider myself an anarchist only given the current situation. I do not actually support the anarchist movement as being a plausible replacement for democracy, no chance. What I'm advocating is the use of anarchism in order to swap to a (currently non-existent) better system because our current leaders only understand violence. As such I recommend using violence against their infrastructure as opposed to against their people. Cut their communications and let's see how they manage their stuff when the IT teams refuse to repair it anymore.

You say you want to be part of a not-so-loose group, but again Anonymous offers that. It seems pretty evident to me that you are aware of how they work. Bunch of small groups, maybe friends, maybe people from some IRC channel, who find a common goal and fight for it. When taken in total (as in all of the small groups) and you unite them under the banner of the Anon you get probably the biggest movement of activism in the past 100 years. As such I feel that the group where I belong has almost exactly the same ideologies as myself.

The whole point is that the main principles stand. Any group that goes against the basic ideas (I'm looking at you LulzSec) will always either crash and burn by itself, or will be swiftly disposed of the other members. You have no idea how many retards intended to do really fucking stupid stuff in the name of Anonymous. Almost 80-90% of them were stopped in more peaceful or more aggressive ways by those "senior" members (if you allow me to call them that).

I'm quite positive we should have a lengthier discussion on the topic, however we might've drifted quite a lot away from the original idea, so if it's Ok with you I think we should continue within a different setting.

+1 for intellect and giving me a proper opponent, and please don't feel like you've insulted me or anything. I'm great at taking criticism as long as the criticism has a logical, smart base. Unfortunately almost none of the people I know and none of my friends (including best friends) match up anywhere near, and as such many times I get pissed and shout at them because of their stupid arguments. Alas drifting off-topic again.
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Re: The Conscience of a Hacker
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2013, 12:37:41 am »
Yeah lol, i guess we are getting quite a bit off topic. (Perhaps we can continue at a better time through chat or irc, maybe even a new thread or just through PM.)Because of that i wont continue with a lengthy point here, but in short i will say that i agree, and what you said is a different way to look at anon that is understandable and actually agreeable. I don't quite agree with what you said about anarchy, though, but i do see where your coming from.
Anyhow, thanks to you too for a great conversation so far :) I definitely understand how you feel about getting into arguments with people whos points are blatantly wrong from a logical stand point. Thats part of the reason why I joined Evilzone myself. Most people in my family have views that strongly contrast from mine, which i dont mind, but i do get frustrated by the fact that they never want to have an intellectually based debate on it. I hate closed minded discussions or when people get overly upset over a disagreement. And people i tend to meet as friends are often the same way. Using the internet for discussions like this with people like us is why the internet is so great.
I guess ive decided that ill make another thread on this, discussing anon, anarchy, and the current state of the government. Ill post the link when i finish writing the thread.
EDIT: Here it is :D
http://evilzone.org/general-galactica/anon-anarchy-and-current-government/new/#new
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