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Community => General discussion => : thecompgame December 30, 2011, 03:42:56 AM
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So my question is what exactly is hacking and whats the process(how do you do it)...the process in movies you always see some dude typing on a computer and magically just breaks through into say a security camera. I know its probably not even close to what you would do in real life.
Also how do you get started?? I know it takes baby steps but can someone lead me into a direction.
I'v honestly has no luck, some people say start learning C++,C,Visual basics and it will help but exactly how?
Lol one last questions, how old is everyone?
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Most movies are far from the real deal indeed. Not sure if you are asking how I got started or how I get started hacking when I do, so ill tell you both; Played online text-based games when I was ~13-14, wanted to cheat. Started making bots to do the playing for me 24/7 :P Then a friend of mine introduced me to Evilzone back in 2006 or 2007 and I fell in love.
Not sure how to answer that other one actually.
Learning programming and or scripting will give you a deeper understanding and control over computers in general. As well as the obvious fact that software is what makes computers insecure(there are other areas as well, but don't mind that right now). So when you know how to make software, you will understand the security related problems that is created. C or C++ is the most(perhaps) common choice, and idd advice one of those as well, but its not an easy task doing it by own initiative. Further more, idd suggest PHP if you were wondering.
I am 19 :)
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Q. What is hacking?
A. It's hard to describe. It's not just some hobby that we all share because we're good with computers. I like to think about it like Mr. Miagi from the Karate Kid described karate to Daniel. It's like driving on a road, you drive on the left karate-do-no. Drive on the right, karate-do-yes. Drive in the middle, karate-do-so-so....SMACK! With time, you'll figure it out, all of us who have been at it for a couple of years know, we just don't know how to describe it. Next!
Q. How do you get started?
A. READ!!!! Read, read, read some more, and never stop reading. You won't find books in libraries that will walk you step-by-step through how to write a buffer-overflow. Everything you will ever want to know about this lifestyle can be found online. Get to know different devices that can be put on a network, and if one sparks your interest (like a router for example), look up security benefits/faults for it. It's all about what you find curious enough to explore further.
Q. How will programming help me?
A. Imagine you're a lumberjack, and you're out in the woods ready to go, but you don't have an axe. That's like trying to be a hacker without knowing how to program. You can't just wish the tree down, you have to have the necessary knowledge, tools, and skillset to accomplish the task at hand.
Q. How old is everyone?
A. No one knows, but from people's attitudes with wanting to learn you can sometimes make a good guess at how old they are. For example, the people like you who ask genuine questions I usually assume to be of 19-22. There's a different level of maturity between folks like you and folks who ask, "Hey guys, I found this website, how can I hack it?"
Like I said bro, there's more to being a hacker than cracking passwords, and fucking shit up on Fox News. If it interests you that much you'll figure it out someday. All you have to do is read, and ask questions when you don't understand something.
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questions like this show up almost daily, anyone up for a single thread? something all of EZ can work on.
not be a tutorial, but a starting point.. with alot of links. approx:
<TOC>
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Intro
<explain what knowledge will be needed, which things should come first, etc>
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Hacking
Web
SQL injection
<very brief explanation>
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
XSS
etc..
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Programming
etc..etc..
make it sticky, something like: "yo dawgz, how do h4x?". Might be best in HTML.
just a thought. so when a thread pops up like this, its simple: post the link to main thread.
I'd contribute but would not do alone.
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questions like this show up almost daily, anyone up for a single thread? something all of EZ can work on.
not be a tutorial, but a starting point.. with alot of links. approx:
<TOC>
---
Intro
<explain what knowledge will be needed, which things should come first, etc>
---
Hacking
Web
SQL injection
<very brief explanation>
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
http://link/
XSS
etc..
---
Programming
etc..etc..
make it sticky, something like: "yo dawgz, how do h4x?". Might be best in HTML.
just a thought. so when a thread pops up like this, its simple: post the link to main thread.
I'd contribute but would not do alone.
Yes
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cool, tommorow could start something in "Projects and Discussion".. see how many people wanna contribute, make a rough draft.
kinda late, had few drinks, watchin LoTR... cannot now, although might be best if you start it ande.
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1. Hacking is simply using something in a way that it was not originally intended for. Today the term is bastardized however and is often used to describe the act of breaking into computer systems.
2. The process is a mixture of both security and computer knowledge. The rest is just using this knowledge to think analytically.
3. Ande summed it up good, but ill recant; it is programming that creates software, it is programming that makes software insecure or secure, by understanding programming, you will understand computer security. It is much like becoming an expert on locks; a locksmith with a strong understanding of how locks work and the different types and systems locks use, is more likely to be able to analyze a lock and open or break into a lock that is insecure than a regular every day person would.
Most movies are far from the real deal indeed.
On a side note: I recently watched "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" and hacking is portrayed pretty well, I didn't see anything that was unrealistic and as someone in computer security I think I picked up on a lot of the stuff they were doing in the film that they didn't explain that others would not have.
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pfftt.. hackers was totally accurate, supercomputers are totally made up of LCDs displaying filenames(shells? lolwut?), program code does look like a trip and chix can totally h4x0rz. Zero Cool FTW.
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Haven't you seen the movie Swordfish man? It's exactly like that.
:P
Yes I agree we should start a dedicated thread.
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A thread like this was already started before where I gave a descriptive piece of my mind. I won't CP what I said - too long. But...
Hacking for me means lots of things - depends on the context and how you will look at it. I can safely say that I am a hacker, because hacking for me is breaking things to make it better, or "hacking up" some stuff together to make one thing for something. So I am more of a hardware h4x0r :P
(if you think hacking is only for cracking server software, you are very wrong...)
Hacking can also mean chopping wood with an Axe.
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Hacking can also mean chopping wood with an Axe.
The Word Hack?
Exactly, hacking is a part of our life. we learn something new and if we can do it better then it was or if we can do it as it shouldn't work then its hacking.
In this era its just stick to word computer. But in real you can say that hacking is an ability to change the method of work or to add new technique to make some work done.
And all upon that its not that you open your lunch box and it it. You must have to work and read as much as you can or i say hack it. read more than you can.
How to get started?
There are two main sides in computer i.e hardware and software. now in order to learn proper hacking in computer field you must have knowledge of both the side. In hardware part you will get all the info on communication and in software part you will get all the info on code the software to make communication.
So... learn it.. be it.. all the best.
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On a side note: I recently watched "The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo" and hacking is portrayed pretty well, I didn't see anything that was unrealistic and as someone in computer security I think I picked up on a lot of the stuff they were doing in the film that they didn't explain that others would not have.
Yeah, I got that same feeling about noticing things that most people didn't get. Also, didn't I see her using Nmap? Also I thought this might be applicable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSxNrxmrCw&list=FL6CthwX4A1iNvfrJ5_7i94Q&index=16&feature=plpp_video
Anyway, in regard to the original post, just start reading tons of stuff, surf thru the forums, meet people, ask intelligent questions, and make sure you use Google and Wikipedia constantly. Also, once you think you have some concepts under your belt try going on a site with "challenges", they will usually have a variety of categories to choose from. Hack This Site is one such site that I can think of, another would be Security Override. Also, I think EZ was talking about having challenges on here as well (can someone confirm this?).
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Yeah, I got that same feeling about noticing things that most people didn't get. Also, didn't I see her using Nmap? Also I thought this might be applicable: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSxNrxmrCw&list=FL6CthwX4A1iNvfrJ5_7i94Q&index=16&feature=plpp_video
Anyway, in regard to the original post, just start reading tons of stuff, surf thru the forums, meet people, ask intelligent questions, and make sure you use Google and Wikipedia constantly. Also, once you think you have some concepts under your belt try going on a site with "challenges", they will usually have a variety of categories to choose from. Hack This Site is one such site that I can think of, another would be Security Override. Also, I think EZ was talking about having challenges on here as well (can someone confirm this?).
Epic video lol.
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hacking is shit,there is a one life and its stupid to spend it on this 19 inch lcd figuring out how TCP work till world falling apart around us....
just some thouts after long time out of the box :P
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Again... you people only think that "hacking" is computer shit only. You are all wrong.
Also that video was fucking epic xDDD
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I hear all you guys saying read, but if i don't understand what im reading how would that help me? Also it would be nice if someone gave me an example of what i should be reading did you guys mean guides on hacking, or stuff on say routers or w/e im trying to learn about.
Also im learning Visual basics, and once i finish that i think ill move onto Java
But do i really need to learn those before i learn C?
By the way im 14, im good with computers when it comes to trouble shooting all that basic stuff you would get from someone at geek squad but i want to expand my knowledge to programming and hacking.
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hacking is shit,there is a one life and its stupid to spend it on this 19 inch lcd figuring out how TCP work till world falling apart around us....
just some thouts after long time out of the box :P
If I may say, spoken like a true h4x0r. You sir, must be the internetz 8)
I hear all you guys saying read, but if i don't understand what im reading how would that help me? Also it would be nice if someone gave me an example of what i should be reading did you guys mean guides on hacking, or stuff on say routers or w/e im trying to learn about.
Also im learning Visual basics, and once i finish that i think ill move onto Java
But do i really need to learn those before i learn C?
By the way im 14, im good with computers when it comes to trouble shooting all that basic stuff you would get from someone at geek squad but i want to expand my knowledge to programming and hacking.
Just start with something, anything at all e.g. download webmatrix and build a website, look at the code. Let that lead you somewhere else. There is no "this is where you start, this is where you finish" You type in e.g. "proxy" find out what that is and let it lead you somewhere else. That's my 2 cents worth. By the way, i agree with everything said so far.
Happy new year
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Please dont double post, and learn to write. Tho I do agree on your last quote. Just start with something, something YOU WANT to do. A project, a game. Whatever, just enjoy what you are doing. And let it lead you in any direction.
@noob, I disagree. I put my hacker mentality into every day things. School, work, food, gaming, relaxing and so forth. Its not all about virtual things.
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But op..... Thats really how the hackers do it.
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But op..... Thats really how the hackers do it.
Hackers do what?
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Hackers do what?
Click a few buttons and hack the main frame.
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Click a few buttons and hack the main frame.
You should not necro a thread with useless garbage like this.
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Hacking is about mindset.
Looking at things with a deeper understanding, using the rules against themselve.
I have seen hackers in many fields apart from computers.
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Click a few buttons and hack the main frame.
You should lay off the movies for a while.
OP, Hacking is an art. It's simply doing things that someone hasn't done or thought of before, depending on your needs. It's all about creativity. ie. Installing a 300 HP engine into, say, Mr.bean's car.
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Hack to Learn - Not Hack to cause Chaos
Simple , yet quite effective
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Holy fucking necropost...2 YEARS?!?
I vote for lock, this has gone wildly off topic anyway
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Its a relevant discussion still, I dont see a point in killing it.
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So my question is what exactly is hacking and whats the process(how do you do it)...the process in movies you always see some dude typing on a computer and magically just breaks through into say a security camera. I know its probably not even close to what you would do in real life.
Also how do you get started?? I know it takes baby steps but can someone lead me into a direction.
I'v honestly has no luck, some people say start learning C++,C,Visual basics and it will help but exactly how?
Lol one last questions, how old is everyone?
Hacking is solving problems in unconventional way
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1. Hacking is simply using something in a way that it was not originally intended for. Today the term is bastardized however and is often used to describe the act of breaking into computer systems.
That's one hell of an accurate definition of hacking, you learn simple life hacks and normal people act one of two ways fear or awe. To acquire this effect or ability to affect others you need to learn how to do something a bit more abstract then writing cursive ;) especially when it comes to the digital world, it's easy to learn if you grew up in the era of the internet though :D benefits of modern technology; even smart kids in 3rd world countries can become notorious hackers if they put the effort in.
Another response I liked but didn't quote was read, I don't know if a lot of people realize this but by reading different perspectives not only do you exercise your brain but you expand your consciousness. The more a given perception contrasts with your own the more information you acquire, learning to critically analyze that information is what's important, and hacking is about using your analysis to do things that most wouldn't consider possible.
Here's a link, check this out; but don't expect handouts if you're serious about learning you need to do the majority of the legwork on your own, this isn't public school :P
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html)
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Hacking is a mindset.
You can hack everything with the proper mindset. You can hack even your thoughts if you truly believe so. I'd say it's when you learn every detail about something and then using that knowledge to create something new or improved. I can type these words just to type them or I can type them with the proper attitude and knowing that 'exploit' or 'rule' I know how to modify, use or break it. Simple as that. Now you can use that mindset on every thing in your life. Not satisfied with your body? Hack it! Not satisfied with your social skills? Hack them!
Hack to learn, don't learn to hack.
Exactly. If you want to hack someones system or website, don't do it for the hacking itself. Do it for the sake of learning new things, and learning how those things operate. The journey is more important than the destination.
So, what exactly is hacking? I'd say hacking is a lifestyle, a mindset. To overcome every problem e.g. nothing is impossible.
When it comes to these terms, hacking and computers than hacking is an art. You can't be a hacker if you want to just ruin someones system or break in it. If you want to be a hacker you need to know exactly what you're doing, how you're going to do it and the most important thing - why you're doing it in the first place.
Here are a few articles that I'd put into 'introducing' zone. Enjoy learning new things!
cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/hacker.html
catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
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Hacking is a mindset.
You can hack everything with the proper mindset. You can hack even your thoughts if you truly believe so. I'd say it's when you learn every detail about something and then using that knowledge to create something new or improved. I can type these words just to type them or I can type them with the proper attitude and knowing that 'exploit' or 'rule' I know how to modify, use or break it. Simple as that. Now you can use that mindset on every thing in your life. Not satisfied with your body? Hack it! Not satisfied with your social skills? Hack them!
Hack to learn, don't learn to hack.
Exactly. If you want to hack someones system or website, don't do it for the hacking itself. Do it for the sake of learning new things, and learning how those things operate. The journey is more important than the destination.
So, what exactly is hacking? I'd say hacking is a lifestyle, a mindset. To overcome every problem e.g. nothing is impossible.
When it comes to these terms, hacking and computers than hacking is an art. You can't be a hacker if you want to just ruin someones system or break in it. If you want to be a hacker you need to know exactly what you're doing, how you're going to do it and the most important thing - why you're doing it in the first place.
Here are a few articles that I'd put into 'introducing' zone. Enjoy learning new things!
cs.berkeley.edu/~bh/hacker.html
catb.org/esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
Take a cookie, now introduce yourself and get your exam from the doctor