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General Tech => Operating System => : F1.z3ro July 05, 2012, 04:59:00 AM
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I just got a good look at the Metro UI at a friends house - what a fucking steaming pile of shit. WTF is MS thinking?
I wouldn't use that shit if MS paid me to. I realize you can do a quick regedit and get rid of it but curious as to what consequences there are to doing so (I understand win explorer loses the ribbon).
Anyone messing around with the consumer preview? I was thinking about loading it one of my machines, but....nah: I think I'll wait. Not sure I'm done throwing up yet. :o
*As a disclaimer, I've been a mac user for years (but do have win 7 machines at home as well). I wasn't really interested in Win8, but recently decided to go back to a PC as my primary machine and will be building a new PC this weekend (unless critical parts do not show up).
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Well, no surprises here. Win 8 is doomed to be shit. Its just the logical order of things.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
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Win 8 is trying to look like a mobile OS. Which isn't where it should be.
@Ande, I've seen that before. And the truth is undeniable. What doesn't every one switch to *nix. Windows would drop in price and more support for *nix would excel...
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true ubuntu is the best imo shame I cant run my favorite game on it :(
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Win8 is supposed to be oriented to tablets (so they say...) it's still pretty ugly. MS developers seems to become more retarded every month.
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MS is trying to keep up with Apple, Google, and other mobile devs. But I think everyone is upping the tablet platform way to much. I mean, it is supposed to be the future, and it does work (kinda). I think they tried to copy the Apple model and make it idiot proof, but just made it more confusing. If you can't figure out how to use a damn computer, then GTFO. That's what I think, anyway.
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You guys are all faggots, "MS is trying to keep up with Apple, Google, and other mobile devs", no this is called going forward.
Microsoft is orienting on new touch screen computers and they even say that you don't have to use windows 8, windows 7 is as good for non touch devices.
So ffs stop bitching, it is a great os, i used it alot and it is great and going forward.
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You guys are all faggots, "MS is trying to keep up with Apple, Google, and other mobile devs", no this is called going forward.
Microsoft is orienting on new touch screen computers and they even say that you don't have to use windows 8, windows 7 is as good for non touch devices.
So ffs stop bitching, it is a great os, i used it alot and it is great and going forward.
Hey, no disrespect to MS. I used it too, I'm actually using it now. I'm just saying, how many of you guys own devices that it was designed to work with, other than a PC? I just wish they would have put a option is so you could disable metro, and give me a start icon. It's like a five step process to see all the installed programs. Until touch screens become more popular, I don't think it is going to do well.
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Hey, no disrespect to MS. I used it too, I'm actually using it now. I'm just saying, how many of you guys own devices that it was designed to work with, other than a PC? I just wish they would have put a option is so you could disable metro, and give me a start icon. It's like a five step process to see all the installed programs. Until touch screens become more popular, I don't think it is going to do well.
As i said, just like microsoft did, you do not have to use it, windows 7 is going to be the top product next to it. So a option to disable metro is useless because that is windows 7
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Well, no surprises here. Win 8 is doomed to be shit. Its just the logical order of things.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
Of course I would discover this particular list a little too late;
I had windows 95, 2000, and currently on a Vista. I feel like Microsoft is out to get me.
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Okay.....
2k was actuallllly good!
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I honestly don't understand why people bitch about Vista so much, but whatever. XP was my favorite. As far as Windows 8 goes, it seemed just like 7 to me, once you get past the thing with the tiles and whatever.
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Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
I liked Windows 2000 a lot. It was like an XP prototype. It felt like they were making XP and "here's our base OS. We haven't added any extra crap yet so here it is nice and crispy"
As i said, just like microsoft did, you do not have to use it, windows 7 is going to be the top product next to it. So a option to disable metro is useless because that is windows 7
Windows 8 is faster, they have quite a few improvements. Boot time is much faster on a fresh 8 compared to 7. It's not just Windows 7 with a new UI.
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You can switch from metro into normal screen in win 8. Here is how to http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zxue/archive/2012/03/07/win8-howto-1-switch-between-metro-ui-and-desktop.aspx
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I think it's gonna be crap for most users. Since most users don't go on reading tech blogs or even MSDN itself. So, they won't know how to disable it or even how to fully benefit the new features.
In this post: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zxue/archive/2012/03/07/win8-howto-1-switch-between-metro-ui-and-desktop.aspx (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/zxue/archive/2012/03/07/win8-howto-1-switch-between-metro-ui-and-desktop.aspx)
It shows that hotkeys help a lot and guess what most users don't even know how to use hotkeys. The most hotkeys they use is probably just CTRL + C, CTRL + V and CTRL + Z.
As for me, I like it.
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I lol'd at windows 8 , it sucks badly , microsoft should've carried on its own style and theme , It sucks that it got into those lame cool looking OS , It would be okay for just another APPLE fanboy type of kid who just want to finger(lol) the screen , but seriously not for formal and serious computer guys
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asdf
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Winblowz has never been for serious computers guys, its always been Linux. Winblowz 8 is designed for touchscreens. I've seen it and its complete shit just like all of their other OS's
Anything else to contribute to this topic rather than complains about windows.
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asdf
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Anything else to contribute to this topic rather than complains about windows.
Windows is garbage, the good thing about it is that its garbage and the worst thing about it is that its garbage. : )
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The only good thing I have noticed about windows is the general application support. Because Windows is such an industry standard pretty much all devices are supported, and program dev is geared for Windows, including games and other apps. I keep XP in VirtualBox for programs and things I just can't do/not supported in *nix.
On a side note, found this via Revolution OS on Netflix.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Bill_Gates_Letter_to_Hobbyists.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Bill_Gates_Letter_to_Hobbyists.jpg)
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While linux is far better in terms of customization, lightweight-ness, operability, speed, and of course uber leetness I can say that Windows has saved my ass many times. Countless times I've had a problem with Linux that I thought was unfixable such as no internet--wired or wifi--I've been able to go to Windows and download something or look up something or otherwise. I guess that's more of an attest to dual-booting than Windows but regardless. I don't know anything about Windows 8 though.
EDIT: Oh and that everything is supported under Windows. No configuring necessary...which can be boring, but is useful
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They probably don't like it either... but they have to keep there shareholders happy.
With the whole tablet craze they have to make everything touch friendly.
Disgusts me.
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Well, no surprises here. Win 8 is doomed to be shit. Its just the logical order of things.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
Ande made my day with this! Even though you had forgotten WinME.
I own Windows 7 Enterprise, I must say it's the "New XP" and the "New Win98SE". I can't wait to know its internals when I get my hands on that Mark Russinovich book. ;D
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You know why most people use windows, because school use application in windows to assign us through only windows(Macs sometime) compatible(Such as Photoshop). Some user also find that Linux such as Ubuntu are harder to use and cause more problem than their Windows-Pc.
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Well, no surprises here. Win 8 is doomed to be shit. Its just the logical order of things.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
Are you joking !? windows 2000 is one of the best operating systems of all time.
now windows ME on the other hand....
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Are you joking !? windows 2000 is one of the best operating systems of all time.
now windows ME on the other hand....
I have to disagree. ALL windows suck, from the OS dev alone.. Never read Cathedral and the Bazaar I take it.
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Are you joking !? windows 2000 is one of the best operating systems of all time.
now windows ME on the other hand....
Seriously?
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Windows 8 is garbage! Hard to believe Microsoft could let something that bad roll out. To get an idea of just how bad it is and why this happened check out "Windows 8 is (http://iostv.com/windows/windows-8-is/)".
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Ok i HAVE to address this.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
WRONG on SO many levels. First off your ignoring 4 windows OS's NOT counting any DOS version. so win 2x blew, 3.1...GREAT...for its time. 95? again GREAT for its time. 98 was more or less an "update" for 95. same resource issues etc, about all 98 does that 95 doesn't with sp2) is add some usb support. almost everything else(sys files etc) is in the same place/works the same way etc. NT once security became a HUGE concern (keep in mind at the time it came out hacking and even viruses were NOT the problem that they became) was horrid, not to mention the control issues etc. however networking it for most things compared to ANY other OS at the time it was years ahead for business use, but both it AND 2k have to be separated from the other OS's from windows BECAUSE the core purpose is different. Anyway NT also has the core issues that were present in 95/98 plus some new ones, however considering it was the first OS on the market really trying to make a network environment A easy and B stand alone on each machine, one has to cut it a lot of slack. (if you want think about the "first" smart phones, i mean the ones out in the 90's trying to do what today ALL phones do, yeah they "failed" but they WERE extremely innovative as well.)
Windows ME...holy FUCK was this a failure in ALL regards. every other version of windows looks amazing next to this POS.
So now we get into the "new" windows IE after a major redesign/recoding etc.
XP-better USB support and such, more stable, but still basically 98 with a restricted use of command prompt(that being its huge downside to me, DEFINITELY prefer 98 to XP usage wise)
2k-HUGE improvements over NT, while a 2k server has lower up time than other OS's the addition of things like active directory(especially this!) make it a huge win on microsofts part. STILL the best thing to use for a large networked environment as much as nix rules for standalone/small network on a large amount of PC's their isnt a better choice. Im basing this off of a "business" need NOT a personal need, even if its less secure it does require a LOT less time to set up/maintain. making it a MUST for a businesses.
Vista- actually a LOT of stuff done right, things they had been planning since 95 came out but had to put off, a lot of the early issues were due to vendors coding poorly and NOT windows fault. that being said even after that their was a LOT of holes bugs etc. Not their best OS, not their worst.
Win 7 - Vista with less holes/bugs, no other real "improvements" made.
Win 8 - buggy/full of holes. whats worse is it took away a number of key features or made them hard as hell to access. from a personal OR business use i can not stand this OS. i will NEVER load this OS on a machine of my own.
Im not ignoring where windows "stole" stuff or anything like that feature wise in the above, however most here do seem to be ignoring things like networked environments or bugs/problems that were around in these OS's when they came out. At the same time im not ignoring or forgetting where windows did something first OR better than other OS's at the time it was out. Like it or not nix systems to this day (ignoring programs that are buggy on it that are win only based) still have more hardware/driver/software issues than windows. if both are set up properly nix WILL be more secure, but on an end PC in a large environment this is less of an issue if you have all your servers/routers/dmz etc set up properly.
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Ok i HAVE to address this.
Win95 - Crap
Win98 - Good
Win2k - Crap
WinXP - Good
WinVista - Crap
Win7 - Good
Win8 - Crap
WRONG on SO many levels. First off your ignoring 4 windows OS's NOT counting any DOS version. so win 2x blew, 3.1...GREAT...for its time. 95? again GREAT for its time. 98 was more or less an "update" for 95. same resource issues etc, about all 98 does that 95 doesn't with sp2) is add some usb support. almost everything else(sys files etc) is in the same place/works the same way etc. NT once security became a HUGE concern (keep in mind at the time it came out hacking and even viruses were NOT the problem that they became) was horrid, not to mention the control issues etc. however networking it for most things compared to ANY other OS at the time it was years ahead for business use, but both it AND 2k have to be separated from the other OS's from windows BECAUSE the core purpose is different. Anyway NT also has the core issues that were present in 95/98 plus some new ones, however considering it was the first OS on the market really trying to make a network environment A easy and B stand alone on each machine, one has to cut it a lot of slack. (if you want think about the "first" smart phones, i mean the ones out in the 90's trying to do what today ALL phones do, yeah they "failed" but they WERE extremely innovative as well.)
Windows ME...holy FUCK was this a failure in ALL regards. every other version of windows looks amazing next to this POS.
So now we get into the "new" windows IE after a major redesign/recoding etc.
XP-better USB support and such, more stable, but still basically 98 with a restricted use of command prompt(that being its huge downside to me, DEFINITELY prefer 98 to XP usage wise)
2k-HUGE improvements over NT, while a 2k server has lower up time than other OS's the addition of things like active directory(especially this!) make it a huge win on microsofts part. STILL the best thing to use for a large networked environment as much as nix rules for standalone/small network on a large amount of PC's their isnt a better choice. Im basing this off of a "business" need NOT a personal need, even if its less secure it does require a LOT less time to set up/maintain. making it a MUST for a businesses.
Vista- actually a LOT of stuff done right, things they had been planning since 95 came out but had to put off, a lot of the early issues were due to vendors coding poorly and NOT windows fault. that being said even after that their was a LOT of holes bugs etc. Not their best OS, not their worst.
Win 7 - Vista with less holes/bugs, no other real "improvements" made.
Win 8 - buggy/full of holes. whats worse is it took away a number of key features or made them hard as hell to access. from a personal OR business use i can not stand this OS. i will NEVER load this OS on a machine of my own.
Im not ignoring where windows "stole" stuff or anything like that feature wise in the above, however most here do seem to be ignoring things like networked environments or bugs/problems that were around in these OS's when they came out. At the same time im not ignoring or forgetting where windows did something first OR better than other OS's at the time it was out. Like it or not nix systems to this day (ignoring programs that are buggy on it that are win only based) still have more hardware/driver/software issues than windows. if both are set up properly nix WILL be more secure, but on an end PC in a large environment this is less of an issue if you have all your servers/routers/dmz etc set up properly.
Darkvision, you know I love you but this thread is really old and shit aint that serious. Also slightly tldr.
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rofl pounded all that out in like 20 min i had to spare :P didnt notice the other time stamps on messages, it popped up in my unread...went and read it..posted. but yeah guess its a bit long for a thread that WAS buried. At least i wasnt the one that unburied it ;)
also sorry about the nerd rage of it all. I guess its one of my buttons, Apple being the other major one. Just drives me nuts how many idiots talk about these products without understanding dick thats going on/ has happened. No im not including you nor most of the rest of this site in the "idiots" category ;), but just general people you meet users OR IT's that just dont seem to know or understand dick...and its happened SO often that my patience level regarding misconceptions etc on the products drives me through the roof like instantly.
anyway im sure every tech guy/hacker has that subject that people are always "wrong" in that drives them bat shit insane....
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rofl pounded all that out in like 20 min i had to spare :P didnt notice the other time stamps on messages, it popped up in my unread...went and read it..posted. but yeah guess its a bit long for a thread that WAS buried. At least i wasnt the one that unburied it ;)
also sorry about the nerd rage of it all. I guess its one of my buttons, Apple being the other major one. Just drives me nuts how many idiots talk about these products without understanding dick thats going on/ has happened. No im not including you nor most of the rest of this site in the "idiots" category ;) , but just general people you meet users OR IT's that just dont seem to know or understand dick...and its happened SO often that my patience level regarding misconceptions etc on the products drives me through the roof like instantly.
anyway im sure every tech guy/hacker has that subject that people are always "wrong" in that drives them bat shit insane....
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lol learn le ways of le troll. I'm very well of various winblows versions.
However back on topic. With start8 I kind of got used to winblows 8(.1) its a work laptop thats touch so at least it made more sense. Windows is trying to pull an apple and make everything the same across multiple devices (hence the surface) its to make things simple for the simple minded. Microdick has realised people are switching from Windows to Mac/Linux. There's a niche for everyone. Windows is widely used, but since iPhones Mac machines are becoming more popular for the bridge between phone tablet and computer. So Microdick is following suit and trying to compete.
If you don't like it, use linux
and that's how you revive a necro thread xD
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