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General Tech => Operating System => : EMOKDOOM March 11, 2013, 09:20:45 AM
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Less then a week ago i got rid of Windows 7 for Ubuntu. It didn't last long(Like a day), i just didn't like Ubuntu so i went with Fedora.
I've had it for like 3 days and I'm about to punch my computer; everything crashes, the computer never seems to receive the shut down signal, no virtualization software seems to work, apps constantly freeze etc. It's just overall a bad and extremely slow OS.
I'll admit i probably should of tested it before getting rid of windows but i had 7 for about a month and didn't like that either. Since i had XP for 7 years before that, Part of me wants to go back to XP but i'd like to give a new Linux flavor a try. So, from a Linux novice perspective, which distro should i try?
I hear good things about Slackware and Debian, but i heard good things about Fedora too. And although i liked it at first with it's rad desktop functionality, i honestly think it needs a rehaul. I know it's not my computer because it ran W7 like a champ and F18 doesn't seem anywhere near as resource hungry.
If anyone could help in choosing it would be really appreciated as i'm kind of on a dead line and need to get a VM running due to school reasons.
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Less then a week ago i got rid of Windows 7 for Ubuntu. It didn't last long(Like a day), i just didn't like Ubuntu so i went with Fedora.
I've had it for like 3 days and I'm about to punch my computer; everything crashes, the computer never seems to receive the shut down signal, no virtualization software seems to work, apps constantly freeze etc. It's just overall a bad and extremely slow OS.
I'll admit i probably should of tested it before getting rid of windows but i had 7 for about a month and didn't like that either. Since i had XP for 7 years before that, Part of me wants to go back to XP but i'd like to give a new Linux flavor a try. So, from a Linux novice perspective, which distro should i try?
I hear good things about Slackware and Debian, but i heard good things about Fedora too. And although i liked it at first with it's rad desktop functionality, i honestly think it needs a rehaul. I know it's not my computer because it ran W7 like a champ and F18 doesn't seem anywhere near as resource hungry.
If anyone could help in choosing it would be really appreciated as i'm kind of on a dead line and need to get a VM running due to school reasons.
Fedora isnt an overall bad and extremely slow OS, its just not.
Its a tried and true concept.
Linux is all about the person controlling it.
No offense intended but you probably didnt configure it correctly.
Dont expect everything just to work out of the box, it often does however.
Well ubuntu is not that bad for beginners actually.
Why didnt you like it?
There is always centOS , openSuse to try.
You could look into crunchbang, archbang.
Plain old debian is rough on beginners so be warned.
So is arch , slackware and gentoo.
I dont like fedora either but thats from experience with linux, its not that it doesnt work because its a great distro but its not my flavour.
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It just was nowhere near as fast as Windows 7, which was odd considering how resource hungry 7. I don't know the ins and outs of Fedora but a lot of the problems i encountered were just fault of the OS. Such as the computer never being able to shut down and apps not starting for no reason at all. They worked at one point and at some point they decided to stop.
Not sure why i didn't like Ubuntu honestly. Might sound contradicting but it might of seemed to much like W7.
openSUSE seems good. Is it Linux-noob friendly? Would you happen to know if Virtualbox or Vmware run smoothly on it? That's really my main concern, cause like i said i need it for school.
Thanks.
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Nevermind. https://en.opensuse.org/VirtualBox
I'm gonna give it a shot. I hope it didn't sound like i was flaming Fedora just not having a first good Linux experience. Too much of my work has crashed.
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It just was nowhere near as fast as Windows 7, which was odd considering how resource hungry 7. I don't know the ins and outs of Fedora but a lot of the problems i encountered were just fault of the OS. Such as the computer never being able to shut down and apps not starting for no reason at all. They worked at one point and at some point they decided to stop.
Not sure why i didn't like Ubuntu honestly. Might sound contradicting but it might of seemed to much like W7.
openSUSE seems good. Is it Linux-noob friendly? Would you happen to know if Virtualbox or Vmware run smoothly on it? That's really my main concern, cause like i said i need it for school.
Thanks.
Its pretty safe to state to any linux distro is faster than windows, depends on the amount of bloat but in general its more efficient.
With fedora it sounds like you had graphic problems, did you install grahpic drivers?
Well for ubuntu , I mean personally I dont like it but its very preconfigured and thats what makes it easy for the beginner.
Never ever be decived by how a linux distro looks, thats just some frontend and shiny buttons etc.
You can always choose any WM or desktop.
As this is linux its all under your control and you can change anything even down to the source code if thats required.
openSuse is cute , preconfigured and pretty easy.
All GUI fronted stuff, so I would say noob friendly in that way.
WM's or Vboxes work on all distros pretty much.
There is no reason the let this be of any influence when it comes to choice.
(be sure to set hw virtualization in the BIOS if any such option.)
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Will keep in mind, thanks.
And yeah, not sure if it was graphics but i had to download new AMD drivers because my fan was always on full speed. The drivers made it ran at normal speed.
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Will keep in mind, thanks.
And yeah, not sure if it was graphics but i had to download new AMD drivers because my fan was always on full speed. The drivers made it ran at normal speed.
The driver support for AMD cards in Linux is some what, poor. I tried switching myself but the drivers were unstable in Ubuntu. I've been reading around and it looks like Nvidia might have better driver support but I haven't test this out myself.
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Recently AMD is making a major shift towards linux.
The suddenly started improving their drivers.
It looks like they finally understood.
So has nvidia btw , ever since the "fuck you" incident :)
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Hello,
Just wanted to throw my 2 cents in, if you really would like to get deep down and dirty and you get enjoyment out of OS install i recommend gentoo ( http://www.gentoo.org/ ) basically you control everything and I mean everything. Good luck mate on distro selection.
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Gentoo is very nice but it is very rough on the newbies.
So is archlinux , which Im currently using and love very much.
But for a beginner some gui's and preconfigurations are easier to begin with.
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What was the 'fuck you' incident? lol
I actually looked into Gentoo, i liked how simple yet nice it looked. Which was what i wanted out of an OS. I hear it's powerful elsewhere too, but also heard it tosses noobs to the side so i looked elsewhere.
I settled with OpenSUSE gentlemen. I like it so far; not as entirely novice friendly but nothing too unmanageable. It came without the capability of playing mp3s and a lot of other media which was seriously odd. Also trying to get VB running is a bit of hassle but i'm sure i'll get it down soon :)
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I will always and forever recommend Arch. I use it on my laptop and on my beagleboard, if I ever get a raspi it will run Arch.
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What was the 'fuck you' incident? lol
I believe Linus Torvalds(coder of original Linux kernel) said fuck you to nvidia, saying that they dont make it a priority to produce hardware for linux. Something like that. I'm surprised his comment had a positive effect, lol, i thought it would reduce Nvidia's support :P
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I'd like to eventually run Arch or Slack. I hear good things about both. Like i said though, i'm liking suse and i have to learn my way around Linux so i'll learn with the little chameleon :)
That's funny if nVidia actually changed their minds for that. I haven't been had this OS for even a week and i already see a lot of borderline BS that can be resolved if some were a bit less stubborn. Can't run Netflix even though i have Firefox, minimal codec support out of box. i know it's shit i can fix but it's somewhat ridiculous that most of it isn't suppose to be tinkered with just because it's not Windows or OSX.
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If you want a good performing pre-configured distro which isn't resource hungry Crunchbang is great. That being said, I don't agree with the whole "make it noob proof" philosophy going around these days. If you want to become a proficient Linux user get a distro that lets you do it the hard way. I started with Slackware 7.1. It was a good learning experience. I like starting from the ground up still to this day. I would much rather install what I need than get rid of what I don't. For me this is much efficient.
My favorites have all been mentioned. Arch, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware. The only distro I would really not recommend to a newcomer is Linux From Scratch. Good luck and have fun!
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If you want a good performing pre-configured distro which isn't resource hungry Crunchbang is great. That being said, I don't agree with the whole "make it noob proof" philosophy going around these days. If you want to become a proficient Linux user get a distro that lets you do it the hard way. I started with Slackware 7.1. It was a good learning experience. I like starting from the ground up still to this day. I would much rather install what I need than get rid of what I don't. For me this is much efficient.
My favorites have all been mentioned. Arch, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware. The only distro I would really not recommend to a newcomer is Linux From Scratch. Good luck and have fun!
I can see what you mean, but i doubt everyone can adapt to a non-pre-configured OS and know how to work around it like you. Kinda of like learning how to ride a motorcycle. Some people are capable of starting off with a liter bike and be fine, others will kill themselves if they don't start with a puny 250cc :)
I think I’d like an in between. Everyone says no matter your preference, there's always a Linux flavor for you. The only problem is finding it :3
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I'd like to eventually run Arch or Slack. I hear good things about both. Like i said though, i'm liking suse and i have to learn my way around Linux so i'll learn with the little chameleon :)
That's funny if nVidia actually changed their minds for that. I haven't been had this OS for even a week and i already see a lot of borderline BS that can be resolved if some were a bit less stubborn. Can't run Netflix even though i have Firefox, minimal codec support out of box. i know it's shit i can fix but it's somewhat ridiculous that most of it isn't suppose to be tinkered with just because it's not Windows or OSX.
Yeah I think you mean silverlight, yep microsoft refuses to support that for linux , its pathetic.
These kinda things require dirty hacks.
For example you could run simulated android and use the application from netflix or something down that road.
Or just for those cases run a virtualbox with win.
Im not gonna admit there are certain sarcrifices when it comes to running linux.
Hardware support can be a reAL pain in the butt.
My gf cant watch some series because it needs fucking silverlight.
But its not really to blaim on linux, its the vendors and comapnies that just look the other way.
Someday.....
Glad your happy with your install.
Codecs can often be installed by one line of code or by a few clicks, easier than on winblows.
Do you use virtualbox or virtualmachine ?
I can see what you mean, but i doubt everyone can adapt to a non-pre-configured OS and know how to work around it like you. Kinda of like learning how to ride a motorcycle. Some people are capable of starting off with a liter bike and be fine, others will kill themselves if they don't start with a puny 250cc :)
I think I’d like an in between. Everyone says no matter your preference, there's always a Linux flavor for you. The only problem is finding it :3
Your first year(s) with linux your gonna be a distro hopper anyway.
At least I think you should.
I found my home (arch) after a long time.
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I can see what you mean, but i doubt everyone can adapt to a non-pre-configured OS and know how to work around it like you. Kinda of like learning how to ride a motorcycle. Some people are capable of starting off with a liter bike and be fine, others will kill themselves if they don't start with a puny 250cc :)
I think I’d like an in between. Everyone says no matter your preference, there's always a Linux flavor for you. The only problem is finding it :3
Point taken. I don't know that I was very good at first. Just so stubborn that I wasn't going to stop. When I found Knoppix-STD I did learn more about security than I was with Slackware. Pre-configured is great to find out about tools. I just have had modest hardware most of the time. So it became a habit to strip things down any OS.
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When i first started using linux, i was in some forum and a big majority of people were linux users. I asked the n00b question of which one is best... some guy commented " you aren't going to be a pussy ass bitch you are gonna use Arch". Best linux advice I've ever had in my life. I like the idea of learning things the 'long way' so to speak. Not always the hard way but how am i going to get the most out of any situation or experience.
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When i first started using linux, i was in some forum and a big majority of people were linux users. I asked the n00b question of which one is best... some guy commented " you aren't going to be a pussy ass bitch you are gonna use Arch". Best linux advice I've ever had in my life. I like the idea of learning things the 'long way' so to speak. Not always the hard way but how am i going to get the most out of any situation or experience.
Absolutely, Arch is the way to go.
No regrets whatsoever.
Sometimes it can be a real bitch but thats mostly my own fault.
Fellow archers get a +1 :P
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It came without the capability of playing mp3s and a lot of other media which was seriously odd. Also trying to get VB running is a bit of hassle but i'm sure i'll get it down soon :)
There you are wrong my friend. You can play mp3's and whatever video / audio formats you want, just install the proprietary codecs through your package manager. I've never used Opensuse & stopped using Ubuntu after 10.04...so not sure how to help you, but you can always google you know :)
I'm now a permanent resident in the land of Gentoo, and when I was at your stage I was always distro hopping around so it's not a bad thing. Experiment & look around...find the distro of your choice...but remember one thing: Do not judge a distro based on it's looks.
If you understand linux you'll never feel the need for windows, other than gaming and stuff. It's better in every possible way I can imagine: speed, performance, stability, security, etc.
As for visual basic, forget it. It was meant for windows dev anyway, and there are better IDE's & even cooler, cross-platform languages.
Adios.
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Everyone here seems to kiss the Linux kernel's ass, but is there even a single BSD user in this forum?
I am seriously considering switching to a BSD variant, likely FreeBSD.
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Jup ran BSD for a while and im considering of doing that again.
Linux is just linux I love it and it remains my favorite unix thus far.
However when I started BSD I was really unexperienced with unix.
One thing thats bothers me is that there are even less packages than for linux.
Also unsupported hardware in my case, which sucks and is not BSD's fault but the netto effect remains the same.
BSD is always a little behind and not as bleeding edge thus hw support is always a little late.
Funny detail is that many games that run on linux run better on BSD :P
Btw I never know which to choose.
Friend of mine runs solaris which seems interesting , never really took the time to investigate it.
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I frequent a community where the owner is maniacally obsessed with trying every single operating system he can get his hands on (all BSD variants, Linux distros, BeOS, Haiku, Solaris, Plan 9 from Bell Labs, etc.)
I know for a fact that OpenBSD has a pretty hardened kernel and is more secure against insecure coding/memory exploits. Of course, Linux has PaX and grsecurity too, which is why I'm interested in Alpine Linux as well, since it integrates all of that into a nice package with a very low memory footprint (3-4MB).
I'm getting a new laptop soon, so I'll have to make the decision. Right now, I'm looking towards Alpine.
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Everyone here seems to kiss the Linux kernel's ass, but is there even a single BSD user in this forum?
I am seriously considering switching to a BSD variant, likely FreeBSD.
I love Freebsd, other than that I also tried Ghost BSD which comes with Gnome2.x
In terms of security, BSD's are more secure by default (out of the box) but Linux Distro's like Gentoo can also be configured to get to that point.
Personally I'm not a big fan of BSD's if we're not talking about servers, cos I want bleeding edge software and don't wanna wait a decade to get support for my hardware or the latest greatest stuff.
Try BSD yourself before judging others.
Goodluck.
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Been using FreeBSD since the 5.x series. But ever since a Linux Steam client was released...
(http://i.qkme.me/3v0jgt.jpg)
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Everyone here seems to kiss the Linux kernel's ass, but is there even a single BSD user in this forum?
I am seriously considering switching to a BSD variant, likely FreeBSD.
I've always liked BSD. I am not currently running it as a desktop OS as I consider it more appropriate for severs, etc.
On another note, other than the installer and what comes packaged in the distro....one linux is as good as another. Really comes down to preference more than anything.
If you were having issues, it's likely do to configuration issues. Some distros are better suited for beginners than seasoned vetrans. You may want to try a distro that automates the install a bit more.
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I use BlackBuntu.
Homepage: www.blackbuntu.com (http://www.blackbuntu.com)
Forum: www.board.blackbuntu.com
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Keep windows and install a minimal distro like debian, arch or Gentoo in a VM and use Cygwin mintty/ssh to access it. Add tmux and you're good to go.
Unless you actually want a Linux desktop, I always preferred windows for general usage.
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Keep windows and install a minimal distro like debian, arch or Gentoo in a VM and use Cygwin mintty/ssh to access it. Add tmux and you're good to go.
Unless you actually want a Linux desktop, I always preferred windows for general usage.
That way you never really learn but thats just my opinion.
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Keep windows and install a minimal distro like debian, arch or Gentoo in a VM and use Cygwin mintty/ssh to access it. Add tmux and you're good to go.
Unless you actually want a Linux desktop, I always preferred windows for general usage.
I do the same and using Debian Mint 13 Maya now.:)
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That way you never really learn but thats just my opinion.
How would a GNOME or even xmonad desktop help you learn? Configuring desktop applications and Xorg has nothing to do with using GNU/Linux as a working environment.
You may consider using Linux for: reading docs, developing programs, administrating that system. You can do all this shit through SSH.
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How would a GNOME or even xmonad desktop help you learn? Configuring desktop applications and Xorg has nothing to do with using GNU/Linux as a working environment.
You may consider using Linux for: reading docs, developing programs, administrating that system. You can do all this shit through SSH.
Because managing linux as a base system and especially the more "hardcore" distros is a daily learning routine.
Besides from that Im sick and tired of the whole microsoft garbage I will never again put my trust in their code.
They have proven them selves to fail and its a matter of time before the monopoly will come to a crash.
I could rant about this another hour but thats a waste of time.
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base system
can't be done through SSH? I wouldn't call it base.
"hardcore" distros
LFS? what the fuck are you talking about? yeah a script is h4rdc0r3Z.
daily learning routine
nothing daily about, learning to use a system is just like learning a programming language. There's no constant about it, you don't give up all other systems for the sake of this one.
I hate microsoft
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That kinda language isnt appreciated.
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That kinda language isnt appreciated.
Don't use censorship to try to win an argument. LOL.
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Don't use censorship to try to win an argument. LOL.
I would agree with you but not in this case. There is nothing wrong about discussing a topic based on facts. This has only been swear words and insulting. Nothing informative or educational. If someone is not able to press one's point without starting a flame war (and I think that was the only reason why xzid replied here) he shouldn't post at all. Just my two cents.
Cheers,
RBA
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Swear words and insults?
I didn't realize you EVILZONE chaps were such delicate flowers. ::)
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Don't use censorship to try to win an argument. LOL.
Has nothing to do with censorship, in fact I discussed the matter with other mod's before taking any action.I dont mind to disagree nor have a discussion, however insults and abusive language will not be tolerated.
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I don't think it makes sense to reply again as you will just take the parts you want and ignore the context but I will do it anyways. I can only speak for myself and in my opinion to make this a serious and informative forum these kind of posts are contra-productive. We have boards where you can talk random bullshit and insult each other if thats what you want (and there is an irc channel where we do it the whole day :) ). If thats not enough and someone wants a whole forum like this hackforums would be an option. To sum it up: a post should be related to the topic and provide informations others can learn from. As this one is going of topic and the op isn't even around anymore it should be closed.
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I agree with proxx and RBA, although what xzid said is not entirely wrong, there's no need for flaming and personal insults.
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I posted because context was deleted.
Listen, I don't give a shit about xzid. But the way he was censored for simple bullshit is worse than trolling. You can ignore trolls.
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I posted because context was deleted.
Listen, I don't give a shit about xzid. But the way he was censored for simple bullshit is worse than trolling. You can ignore trolls.
Just check out the forum rules bro.
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Do you mean the vague rules that are open to interpretation?
I suppose this is my "outro" :'(
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I think this is getting way off-topic. OP's account was deleted anyway, so this should be closed.
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Locked for obvious reasons.
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