How do we deal with one time posters/skids that dont intent staying.

[proxx]

How do we deal with one time posters/skids that dont intent staying nor contributing.

To make things clear I like good insulting every now and than and most of you do; just admit it
No but seriously , what is a proper response to: "How do I hack this random server"
Thing that especially bothers me is that if some fuck-job comes around asking dumb things and doesnt get spoonfed the way he insist he has the nerves to open them big mouth.
Or another scenario where I actually am in a good mood and decide to help, never see another post again after typing a 30 lines reply.
I realize that this shit will keep coming and that the internet is full of annoying people that will never get it.
So.. what is a proper response?

[kenjoe41]

In the good moods i am in, i would recommend you for the Bitch and Moan board, especially FAIL!
The internet is a dangerous place where things are not predictable. There is totally no way of knowing who is gonna stay longer than there first/second post. Am thinking these are actually people who  are perverted from the true sense of hacking. Shooing these people away with a this is Adult talk won't lessen or clear their mind of the tru sense of this discipline.
Alot of people have been seen to come from rugs to rise up into professionals. All they ever needed was this pointing them in the right direction.
Punishing a child for insubordination doesn't make them respectful.

I don't think there is a ready formulae to take care of this but rather be strong in boards like the introduction board for those who care to post intros. Teach them the religion of patience and all Bric-a-brac. Then pray that they stay long enough to realise the fruits of believing in it.

[Kulverstukas]

I always try to help people, because everyone is different. Normally I have a personal stupidity threshold where I evaluate the quality of a question and decide whether or not I should reply with a helpful comment or don't say anything. If the post is really really stupid then it gets moved to trash, and I would recommend for regular users to report such posts.
However, if the poster can formulate in a proper way a question that is a little below my threshold, I still care to reply if I have the time.

It is mostly because every post gets put into the whole pool of posts, raising the quality for the forum. Other members might someday benefit from it and cease asking the same question or learn something from it.
Stupid posts don't contribute, and my teacher liked to say - "There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers".

Let's take that 1337 port post as an example. Sure the poster is new, will probably never come back and won't bother taking our advice, but he managed to scribble up a, more or less, proper question, even if it was a stupid one, to us.

So, to answer your question. To know what to do, set yourself a personal threshold where on one side you write a helpful comment where other people can benefit from it, and on the other you report the post.

Uhh I don't really know if I answered your question... wrote so much I lost track

[Phage]

Interesting topic..

I normally start at looking at the thread title and the username. By time you learn to spot the "bad" members and the "good" ones. I only got fooled once by the "How to hack Facebook" thing. Damn..

Well, I then consider if it's worth my time or I have hope in this person. If yes, I will try to guide the person in the right direction. If I simply find this too stupid I either leave it (normally if one staff member already took care of it) or I remove the thread. As Kulverstukas said it's very rare that I move such threads.

But I know that even though the member got some constructive replies (s)he normally leaves again after a short amount of time. The ones that stick around are normally also the ones who educate themself and find a place here on Evilzone.

Let's take me as an example, I signed up at Evilzone because I was looking for a new community which had a decent level of quality to learn from. I came to the conclusion that my skills simply weren't good enough for me to be active here on Evilzone. I then spent about 6 months on studying and moving on from noob (skid) level to a decent level of quality. It's about that time I decided to be active and haunt every single member  Since then Evilzone has never (even though many attemps has been made) gotten rid of me and probably never will 

To the new members who read this; Don't be afraid to ask stupid question even though some of them might seem too easy for us, we were all at the point where you are now. We have all been noobs and we will always be. Do someone rage upon you, ignore them and stay strong. It's the ones who stay and ignore the rage that will become hq members. This is a community you have to earn yourself a place amongst our "ranks".

EDIT: Also one of the reasons I think that many new people are hacign troubles with reading the stickies is that they are overwhelmed by this new world. Hell even I were. This is also why I always try keep a small hope in some of the cases. Becuase I know that some of the possible future hq members are amongst those people.

[proxx]

Just to state; its curious how we or any hacking community for that matter is viewed as offense to new people.
I think that is a completely wrong assumption.
Its all about the way a person presents itself, "if your willing to learn, im willing to help"
If your clearly not interested in learning than you can go fuck yourself, I wont waste any time.
Personally I tend to lean to the optimistic side.

Me too, I started off here because I was looking for something better, I said goodbye to a couple other places where I used to roam.
I felt abused , I tried my best to keep the quality up , post good stuff, keep up the mood but failed due to the constant drain.
Until I met evilzone
Being a noob is fine with me , I used to be a stranger to these topics not even that long ago.
There is a pletora of information out there for fuck sake use it.

Somewhere there is this awesome post about a community being a living organism.
With this I agree to full extend, if everyone would leech there would be no community.

[Deque]

How do we deal with one time posters/skids that dont intent staying nor contributing.

To make things clear I like good insulting every now and than and most of you do; just admit it
No but seriously , what is a proper response to: "How do I hack this random server"
Thing that especially bothers me is that if some fuck-job comes around asking dumb things and doesnt get spoonfed the way he insist he has the nerves to open them big mouth.
Or another scenario where I actually am in a good mood and decide to help, never see another post again after typing a 30 lines reply.
I realize that this shit will keep coming and that the internet is full of annoying people that will never get it.
So.. what is a proper response?

A proper response would be no response. Ignore them. That can be hard while feeling the itch in your fingers to write rtfm or similar. But actually that should be the right way, giving no attention to the grown babies.
I either give a reply that tells them where they went wrong (in case I can't stand the itch in the fingers) or I ignore them.

The problem is of course that there almost always will be someone who spoonfeeds them. But that's were moderators should do something too, if it is the spirit of the forum not to spoonfeed. I.e. trash the thread. Evilzone seems to trash a lot of them. I came into the situation at least three times that I wanted to make a serious not nice reply and the thread was trashed when I pressed the button to post. (Good work, EZ staff!)

[proxx]

A proper response would be no response. Ignore them. That can be hard while feeling the itch in your fingers to write rtfm or similar. But actually that should be the right way, giving no attention to the grown babies.
I either give a reply that tells them where they went wrong (in case I can't stand the itch in the fingers) or I ignore them.

The problem is of course that there almost always will be someone who spoonfeeds them. But that's were moderators should do something too, if it is the spirit of the forum not to spoonfeed. I.e. trash the thread. Evilzone seems to trash a lot of them. I came into the situation at least three times that I wanted to make a serious not nice reply and the thread was trashed when I pressed the button to post. (Good work, EZ staff!)

Thanks everyone for replying, your right deque, that was my first thought to.
But that only really works if everyone complies to that.
Wanted to ask this question to see how others feel about it and its a good thing to have this discussion I think.
If we all take somekind of stand it would be easier for all of us.

[Conch]

Well, when I joined a year ago or so, there was actually an anti-noob question upon registering.
It involved a math equation, this is helpful for not bringing 11 year old skids in, and I think if people just want to post once, they wouldn't bother working out the math.

Maybe the admin could implement another security question on registration, maybe something regarding computer security?

Then the person who would like to join, would have to answer both the math equation and a computer oriented question.

Just a thought.

[proxx]

Well, when I joined a year ago or so, there was actually an anti-noob question upon registering.
It involved a math equation, this is helpful for not bringing 11 year old skids in, and I think if people just want to post once, they wouldn't bother working out the math.

Maybe the admin could implement another security question on registration, maybe something regarding computer security?

Then the person who would like to join, would have to answer both the math equation and a computer oriented question.

Just a thought.

Currently its some sort of decoding thingy iirc.
Im sure it helps, however the EZ math question was on yahoo awnsers lol

[ande]

I don't see a problem with people not contributing or only posting questions. In a way, that is a contribution(questions) in itself. We cannot rely or require every member to make good contributions to the community. That simply is not possible, and to be honest, if people have to be "forced" or "learned" to contribute. Then perhaps they are not the kind of people we want around. We want people who, out of their hearts or interests, actually want to help out.

When it comes to how we (staff/me) deals with these kind of posts: If the question is stupid or against everything that EZ stands for (the community anyway), I delete it. Its that simple. We have more than enough posts being posted every day. It is my duty and the staff's duty to make sure EZ does not end up like or equivalent to hackforums. It may be harsh, but seriously, this place is not for everyone.

Help will always be given at Hogwarts, Harry, to those who ask for it. I've always prized myself on my ability to turn a phrase. Words are, in my not so humble opinion, our most inexhaustible source of magic. Capable of both inflicting injury and remedying it. But I would in this case amend my original statement to this; help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who deserve it. Do not pity the dead, Harry. Pity the living. And above all, all those who live without love.

Currently its some sort of decoding thingy iirc.
Im sure it helps, however the EZ math question was on yahoo awnsers lol

At the moment its a hashing task.

[bluechill]

"Treat others as you would want to be treated if you were in their place.  Think of everyone as a good person just in their worst moments of their life." - Alaska State Trooper

That applies here too.  Be helpful, be encouraging, and maybe you'll make a new friend and one who will be an amazing person to you.

[Axon]

Just avoid skiddy posts.

[kenjoe41]

Just avoid skiddy posts.

Just exactly what do you call skiddy questions? I agree there are those that feel like a ten year old asking, but we can't just help those asking about macros and templates just because we think they know what they are talking about. We wouldn't be a community if we only cared about the high-ups.
Some times you loose nothing but a few keystrokes and 10 seconds to answer those questions. For as long as there is hope in what is asked, then i suggest they be answered. It's like moving from the streets to a mansion and you forget about the streets.
This is in its own sense a brute force attack on who will be sensible enough to stay and contribute. The others are just bad password/username.
We have to live with it.

[chiboy]

"Treat others as you would want to be treated if you were in their place.  Think of everyone as a good person just in their worst moments of their life." - Alaska State Trooper

That applies here too.  Be helpful, be encouraging, and maybe you'll make a new friend and one who will be an amazing person to you.

oh nice Sir, +1. When i first saw this topic, i was thinking am gonna see comment like let's get all the noobs deleted from the site or some other shit like that. But from the above comment i find out everybody has spoken well, Andy,Bluechill,Kulve,Phage And All. i really do love all your comment here and i believe who ever may see this comments below will know this is a nice forum with good,wise and kind ideas. i valued all your opinion here. i don't really have much to say but i just want  to Bluechill post which says Treat others the way you want to be treated. In life you will always find people better than you no matter how good you are, it may be in different aspect of life even though its doesn't relate to the internet. Who knows the little kid you help today will be the one to help you later, when you are in search of helps. So when ever one seek help and we are in the position to help. Why not? Give him a hand. Helping people doesn't take anything from you instead it gives you respect,and add so many things to your life, it create opportunity for
You to help also. Who knows.