So, ready for WW3?

[Darkvision]

On any plane vs another plane in these times is a bit misleading, as its the integration of the other parts of the force that matter. By that i mean when you are looking at things like this you have to bring into account OTH warfare, so things like an AWAC and stealth become a HUGE issue. If the only thing you see in the sky is the AWAC, you are at a disadvantage. We(america) would see all of your planes and your AWAC. We know all of your movements, and most kills today are made OTH, very few dogfights ever happen. As far as how such battles are fought today the f35 has a huge advantage, as its harder to shoot down OTH. So yes on paper, the eurofighter may be better in every category, but the fact that it cant "hide" is a major disadvantage. its the proverbial bringing a knife to a ninja fight. yeah if you can find that ninja you can stab the shit out of him, but the first you are going to know of him is when you see throwing stars being tossed at your face. Then again the fact that we sell this tech to friendly countries means that it comes down more to skill and planning, and war exercise after war exercise (large scale) we win. part of it being we do keep a slight tech edge on what systems we will sell, part of it being training(not so much here) the other big part being that we have more people in uniform that have BEEN in battle/war, its the one thing that money cant buy, and its one of the most critical components in any war. Still sort of a sideline right? i mean the only country in the EU that has to worry about us is France, and thats just because well fuck the French.

[Phage]

You are totally right! I'm not sure who you were targeting (I suppose both os us) but I can insure you that I know this and I do agree. This discussion started when WirelessDesert claimed that their Gripen planes were the best in the world, when the fact is that no country wants to buy them etc.


As to the F-35, it's a really great plane which I hope will be the future fighter jet for the Danish Airforce (I'm pretty sure it's going to be). The only thing I see the F-35 lacks off is maneuverability. Because of the way it's build (the stealth technique) they had to cut down on something. When that's said, it's still a really great plane, ready to take up future combats and wars. But one thing is for sure, the F-22 is still the master of the airspace, no fighter jet is even close to threatening its place as the bet fighter jet in the world. After all, there's a reason why it's forbidden by US law to sell it to other countries


A few days ago a new story published by the US air force stated that they had been using the F-22 against two Iranian F-4 Phantom which were heading to a US UAV; Probably to shoot it down. The US then sent one F-22 to take care of it. First the F-22 placed it self under the two F-4 Phantom's to take a closer look at which weapons they were carrying (without them noticing it). It then moved up on the side of the two Phantom's and the pilot called over the radio "I think it's better you just head back home". The two Phantom's disappeared right after he said that.


The fact that the F-22 was able to sneak up behind those two (though old) jets and inspect their weapons without them noticing it, is pretty scary. And it's just a prove on how advanced the air plane is. It is almost invisible to radars (there's only a very few cases where it can be seen. i.e when it carries bombs on the outside of the plain, or drops bombs from the inside of the plane) and at the same time has insane maneuverability it's amazing.

[theellimist]

Yeah the F-22 is an incredible machine. I saw one at an air show a few years back, and that thing was awesome. Combining thrust vectoring, Mach 1.5+ supercruise ability, stealth, higher climb rate than the F-15, and a whole bunch of other stuff is just so cool. It is the only 5th generation fighter so far, and the next one will be the F-35, which is also going to be quite an interesting plane. They are both really cool. My only gripe is with the whole procurement process used to get the planes, not the planes themselves. I think that they could probably be produced for less money if these companies that won the contracts were held accountable for cost overruns. But I still like the planes themselves, they are freaking sweet.

[WirelessDesert]

You are totally right! I'm not sure who you were targeting (I suppose both os us) but I can insure you that I know this and I do agree. This discussion started when WirelessDesert claimed that their Gripen planes were the best in the world, when the fact is that no country wants to buy them etc.


As to the F-35, it's a really great plane which I hope will be the future fighter jet for the Danish Airforce (I'm pretty sure it's going to be). The only thing I see the F-35 lacks off is maneuverability. Because of the way it's build (the stealth technique) they had to cut down on something. When that's said, it's still a really great plane, ready to take up future combats and wars. But one thing is for sure, the F-22 is still the master of the airspace, no fighter jet is even close to threatening its place as the bet fighter jet in the world. After all, there's a reason why it's forbidden by US law to sell it to other countries


A few days ago a new story published by the US air force stated that they had been using the F-22 against two Iranian F-4 Phantom which were heading to a US UAV; Probably to shoot it down. The US then sent one F-22 to take care of it. First the F-22 placed it self under the two F-4 Phantom's to take a closer look at which weapons they were carrying (without them noticing it). It then moved up on the side of the two Phantom's and the pilot called over the radio "I think it's better you just head back home". The two Phantom's disappeared right after he said that.


The fact that the F-22 was able to sneak up behind those two (though old) jets and inspect their weapons without them noticing it, is pretty scary. And it's just a prove on how advanced the air plane is. It is almost invisible to radars (there's only a very few cases where it can be seen. i.e when it carries bombs on the outside of the plain, or drops bombs from the inside of the plane) and at the same time has insane maneuverability it's amazing.

Dude, I was ironic....

[Phage]

I suspected that, but it's hard to get irony when it's written

[Pak_Track]

Let us not forget the down sides of the F22. It has long been reported that F22 pilots suffer more frequent spatial disorientation and a condition referred to as "Raptor Cough." It is speculated that there is a fault with the aircraft's oxygen system to provide the pilot with breathing air, something that's needed in larger amounts during high G maneuvering.

btw, aren't we going a bit off topic?

[Phage]

Those problems have been solved... And yes we are.

[theellimist]

Let us not forget the down sides of the F22. It has long been reported that F22 pilots suffer more frequent spatial disorientation and a condition referred to as "Raptor Cough." It is speculated that there is a fault with the aircraft's oxygen system to provide the pilot with breathing air, something that's needed in larger amounts during high G maneuvering.

btw, aren't we going a bit off topic?

Yeah I thought the hypoxia thing was fixed? I know they had it multiple times, but after the last grounding I thought they figured out what it was. Plus I heard they are installing a backup oxygen system as well, for redundancy. But yeah, we probably are getting off topic haha.

[Pak_Track]

I'll try to kick it back on,

Drone Attacks can also result in a standoff. I mean, if a countries airforce responds and shoots down a drone, or it's taken down by a SAM, the US and CIA will respond. Ground operations could occur. Resulting in further response. This will result in a lot of tension and could break into an all out war

[proxx]

Nice discussion but stop the bullshit about who has the best plane, doesnt matter.