TOR exit node raid

[ftb]

A bit old news but still... damn. I run a traffic nod myself, but I'm curious to what makes a man decide to run an exit one- ignorance or bravery ?

http://raided4tor.cryto.net/

[NovaCygni]

Plausible deniability is why they would run it, the raids are purely a media stunt, theres no way under either EU or US law that anyone can be successfully prosecuted for the effects of running a exit node. Any self-respecting person with half a brain cell would easily walk out of court then sue for damages, defamation of character, wrongful arrest and false imprisonment.

That all said, a persons defence is only ever as good as the person defending them, on 6 occasions I was told to "Plead guilty" as I had no chance, all 6 times I dismissed my solicitor and represented myself... I walked free from court on every occasion.

[proxx]

Old news indeed.
If TOR wasnt completely flawed I would probably run one, Im probably igorant, lies in my nature

[GoldDust]

Old news indeed.
If TOR wasnt completely flawed I would probably run one, Im probably igorant, lies in my nature

Why do you say Tor is flawed? There are vulnerabilities, yes. But I don't find it to be flawed. Just as long as your maintain basic OPSEC you should be fine. Even with the Edward Snowden/NSA revelations slides have shown that the NSA can't even fully break Tor. Please let me know how Tor is flawed...

-GD

[bluechill]

Why do you say Tor is flawed? There are vulnerabilities, yes. But I don't find it to be flawed. Just as long as your maintain basic OPSEC you should be fine. Even with the Edward Snowden/NSA revelations slides have shown that the NSA can't even fully break Tor. Please let me know how Tor is flawed...

-GD

They can sort of break TOR.  The issue is that if you enter and then leave the network, the NSA can then track you because they have such a broad scope with collecting internet traffic at all the major nodes that they can match up packets sent through TOR.  Or that's the idea anyways.  If you never leave the TOR network then it's more difficult and no one is quite sure whether they actually can without using things like exploits in Firefox or browsers.  I mean, Stuxnet proved that at least some government has figured out really hard things like actual MD5 collisions and put them into practice, so even if it's remote, a state-sponsored malware could have the means to do it or just a state-sponsored group.

[proxx]

I might have overstated that but we all know TOR does not provide any real safety anymore if it ever really did.
Still use it for some things, the other problem is that exit nodes are pretty much all tracked.
So even if you are connecting to something through TOR the other party will probably be aware of that.
Evilzone IRC is one example of this, I must say that you can actually connect to it with the through TOR.
I have a tiny little script that restarts the TOR daemon thus provides with a new IP, I have to try a few times.
The ez IRC server is aware of many nodes but not all, thats probably the case on the rest of the web as I can imagine ez just uses some public blacklist.
Speaking of which this is big business, proxies , nodes VPN's etc are publicly known and listed.
These lists are worth money.

[bluechill]

The ez IRC server is aware of many nodes but not all, thats probably the case on the rest of the web as I can imagine ez just uses some public blacklist.

We use a super secret catch-almost all blacklist only available to people like EZ admins.  It's kind of an inner circle thing among hacking groups. It's called Redacted

[proxx]

We use a super secret catch-almost all blacklist only available to people like EZ admins.  It's kind of an inner circle thing among hacking groups. It's called Redacted

lol
I was pointing that direction because there are plenty of paid lists.
Its big business, like I would have to tell you that.

[Resistor]

Why do you say Tor is flawed? There are vulnerabilities, yes. But I don't find it to be flawed. Just as long as your maintain basic OPSEC you should be fine. Even with the Edward Snowden/NSA revelations slides have shown that the NSA can't even fully break Tor. Please let me know how Tor is flawed...

-GD

I would argue that it's flawed by design; the only people with actual incentives to run an exit node are LEA, or otherwise malicious individuals, and your traffic has to exit from those nodes.  True, there is plausible deniability, but who the hell wants to take the chance of getting their door kicked in and have to pay a lawyer and all that bullshit?

[proxx]

I would argue that it's flawed by design; the only people with actual incentives to run an exit node are LEA, or otherwise malicious individuals, and your traffic has to exit from those nodes.  True, there is plausible deniability, but who the hell wants to take the chance of getting their door kicked in and have to pay a lawyer and all that bullshit?

I disagree with you, I dont think only those parties run exit nodes, I know some universities did/do, some crazy individuals and 'freedom fighters' aka people with strong motivation and not shy of the possible consequence.
As I said if I had the connection I would run an exit node for sure.(If there was still any point to it, which might no longer be there)
Govs can kiss my ass.

[Resistor]

No I completely agree that those aren't the only parties running exit nodes, it's just that they are the only ones with incentives to.

I guess universities could legitimately have incentive to, but mainly the people with incentive are the LEA and other malicious individuals.


edit: I guess altruism could be an incentive, but I think the risks are just too high for that.