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Offline z3ro

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such a shame
« on: November 27, 2013, 05:28:04 pm »
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the absence of tourists from the future is an argument against the existence of time travel in the future
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Re: such a shame
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2013, 06:01:15 pm »
Sad, but somehow true. The statement might be wrong, since people from the future, might be really good at hiding them self?
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Re: such a shame
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 06:17:00 pm »
Sad, but somehow true. The statement might be wrong, since people from the future, might be really good at hiding them self?

It kinda kills the entire idea of time travel because of the "infinite" possible years ahead and the (as stated) lack of people visiting us now and thousand years back++. However that is also a counterargument, because of the "infinite" years ahead, the last thousand years or so might not be of any interest to travel to at all.
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Re: such a shame
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 07:22:41 pm »
But surely they would keep themselves hidden because if we found out now then that could affect our timeline going forward, right?

But if "infinite" years ahead, time travel is for everyone I doubt you could make most people obey the "laws of time travel".

Interesting idea though. It gets the mind thinking :)

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Re: such a shame
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 08:06:21 pm »
I'm sorry, this is a scientific discussion section. The OP technically should initiate a valid argument with a sensible title? Nevertheless, you quoted Stephen Hawking but without elaborating more on the subject, so I'll quote Wikipedia on the subject of time travel.


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Stephen Hawking has suggested that the absence of tourists from the future is an argument against the existence of time travel—a variant of the Fermi paradox. Of course this would not prove that time travel is physically impossible, since it might be that time travel is physically possible but that it is never developed (or is cautiously never used); and even if it is developed, Hawking notes elsewhere that time travel might only be possible in a region of spacetime that is warped in the correct way, and that if we cannot create such a region until the future, then time travelers would not be able to travel back before that date, so "This picture would explain why we haven't been over run [sic] by tourists from the future.


So it might not a shame after all.

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Re: such a shame
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2013, 05:35:21 am »
Oh.  ???
 So it's one of Hawking's quote? That I didn't know...  :-X   And I didn't actually picture this as a discussion topic, but just wanted to share this cause this got me thinking.


Anyways, thanks for the clarification.
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Re: such a shame
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2013, 10:17:01 pm »
It kinda kills the entire idea of time travel because of the "infinite" possible years ahead and the (as stated) lack of people visiting us now and thousand years back++. However that is also a counterargument, because of the "infinite" years ahead, the last thousand years or so might not be of any interest to travel to at all.


Its not infinite really as the Timetravel still has to exist within the rules of the universe which clearly show that there is no possible time travel to a point BEFORE the first time travel device was constructed, therefor the "Going back in time" idea is  completely  incorrect... furthermore the "Infinite" time into the future is also a flawed concept that ignores the fact that 29Billion years from now the universe will enter a "Radioactive death", in which all matter will begin to decay down into its most basic form. Based on the theory of multiple universes we can conclude that though we may live in a universe thats "Just right" the other universes will likely all either have had a constant "Death" state or will exist purely in a Plasma bubble that our own universe once existed in, and without Quantum Discord to disrupt the Plasma bubble state these other universes are as stated  earlier, Sterile.


You could therefore travel forward intime to a  certain  point, but the concept of going back in time is only ever put forward for  Hollywood  or by people who fail to understand the Non-Liner  flow of time.
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