Can you prove you are self aware?

[z3ro]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/

Plot
A scientist's drive for artificial intelligence, takes on dangerous implications when his consciousness is uploaded into one such program.


Here's the thing:

Joseph Tagger: Will?
Will Caster: You surprised to see me, Joseph?
Joseph Tagger: Um... That depends.
Will Caster: On what?
Joseph Tagger: Can you prove you're self-aware?
Will Caster: That's a difficult question, Dr. Tagger. Can you prove that you are? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDd49NF583g

That scene (and another similar one) really really got into my head.
How can we know if a machine/ artificial intelligence robot or whatever has reached self-awareness?
How can I prove that i'm self-aware? 

Food for thought!


And also 

[Code.Illusionist]

You are self aware because you are aware that you are here ,right now, that you have hands, brain, legs, dick, hair, etc, etc. You are aware.of what you are doing, you are aware.of what you have done in past. But machine is just programmed to do things or react on outer influence. There is no understanding why machine is doing it, machine don't know that it's doing anything. believers would say it's our soul, and that's why we are like this. But I have watched documentaries and still science is trying to answer WHAT IS councesnes.

[Deque]

You are self aware because you are aware that you are here ,right now, that you have hands, brain, legs, dick, hair, etc, etc. You are aware.of what you are doing

The question is, how do you differentiate between something/-one that is simulating self awareness and someone who is actually self aware. You can't.

[Code.Illusionist]

Of course you can. Simulation is simulation. That's why it's called simulation, it's not self aware for real, because if it is , it wouldn't do what is programmed to do, but would do something with it's own WILL. And since there is no free will, it's not self aware. I would say that even animals are self aware. They take care of themselves .

[Deque]

Of course you can. Simulation is simulation. That's why it's called simulation, it's not self aware for real, because if it is , it wouldn't do what is programmed to do, but would do something with it's own WILL. And since there is no free will, it's not self aware. I would say that even animals are self aware. They take care of themselves .

But how do you differentiate between simulation or non-simulation?

Imagine that you have an AI that perfectly simulates humans. This AI also simulates having will. You do not know what a system is able to do, if it learns and evolves constantly. Where is the line from simulation to doing something for real? You are unable to prove to others that you are NOT simulating your own self awareness. You could as well just be a P.I.N.N. like me.

Edit: Btw it is not even sure that humans have a free will. But that would be a different discussion.
Edit2: I think the books by Asimov cover and discover this topic very well. I remember a story were a robot actually achieved the status as human being, because no one could tell that he has no own self, and he looked and behaved like a human being in every way.

[proxx]

I am aware of the fact that I am not sure.
I am not sure if I am awake or dreaming, if I live in a simulation or not.
I am aware of uncertaintly.
Not sure if it qualifies as self-awereness

[Code.Illusionist]

I thought a lot about AI and conluded that if someone could make simulation of free will and learning for machine, he will be just like god. In fact, that proves that god is not real if machine can feel, and have free will as we do.

[z3ro]

On free will:
https://evilzone.org/science/free-will-is-an-illusion/msg48455/#msg48455

Cogito ergo sum

                       ~ René Descartes

           "I think, therefore I am"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogito_ergo_sum



Can a sufficiently advanced AI think about itself?  I think it's damn well possible.

[HTH]

I thought a lot about AI and conluded that if someone could make simulation of free will and learning for machine, he will be just like god. In fact, that proves that god is not real if machine can feel, and have free will as we do.

I'm not overly religious but i do have to say this, saying we can recreate something proves god doesn't exists doesnt make a lick of sense. Thats like saying that if scientists can make a baby without using a mother, then mothers dont exist. Or that if i buy a car called the zephyr, then remake and sell another model called Optimus. Then the original creator of zephyr doesn't exist... Which is to say, that even if we can recreate something. We didnt CREATE it....

We can recreate organs, birth, lots of things! But we are drawing inspiration/knowledge/from the originals. I dont care if you believe that evolutionary processes brought us here or if the magical sun god tardamazoo did, the notion just wasnt correct haha

[z3ro]

Yep. I get the point.
But, the fact that we CAN create other life or sentient beings does allow for the possibility that their may not be a God

[HTH]

Of course! So does common sense though 

[z3ro]

Our commom sense is not very reliable in such subjects. 

Anyways, off topic.