[question] Setting up a small village ISP

[kenjoe41]

Well, over the weekend i was watching dwshift replay of afew documentaries. They included a small vilage that had setup its own ISP and got themselves some real fast internetz for its users and wireless everywhere.
I don't seem to locate that documentary on the internet now but lel.

My question is what could it take to set this up, maintain it plus anything you could add. I hve been afew yers away from the networking field so something good for a proposal could be handy.
Fire away.

EDIT: A simple google search makes my balls quack.

[KingCasra]

You need one hell of a good server, probably a shit ton of fibre optic, maybe 10 switches depending on the size of the village.

I'm going to use the village from the first fable as my idea size wise. you'd probably want 10 switches. From there maybe 20km of fibre optic cable to start routing. Let's say that you have 1 switch for an area of 30 people. The switch would need to be able to handle at least 30000 mb/s of incoming and outgoing traffic. Which means the server needs to be able to handle 300 gb/s of traffic incoming and outgoing assuming each house get's as connection speed of about 100mbps

Then you would probably want at least 2 sys admins working to maintain the servers on shift so 1 guy per 12hrs/ and 4 technicians (1 on tech support/ other in the field, 2 waiting for their shift 12hr rotations)

I'd say that it would cost at least $2 mn for the first year. and 1mn in maintenance each following year.

I hope that helped. Also if you don't know what the size of the village in the first fable is like here is an image https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fguidesmedia.ign.com%2Fguides%2F741361%2Fimages%2Ffable2_maps_bowerstone_old_town.jpg&f=1

[Nordic]

Well, over the weekend i was watching dwshift replay of afew documentaries. They included a small vilage that had setup its own ISP and got themselves some real fast internetz for its users and wireless everywhere.
I don't seem to locate that documentary on the internet now but lel.

My question is what could it take to set this up, maintain it plus anything you could add. I hve been afew yers away from the networking field so something good for a proposal could be handy.
Fire away.

EDIT: A simple google search makes my balls quack.

Okay, I'll bite.


Tell me the exact requirements that you have for this scenario.






You can get a 1Gb/s ethernet off-net handoff with 100Mb/s commit in the US for probably about $2,000/mo. Depends on where you are.


You'll need something that is capable of routing 1Gb/s, so at the very least something like a Catalyst 6500 with SUP720's.


You can piece one of those together on EBay for about $700. You don't really need to run BGP unless you have multiple providers, but really -- what's the point of that. Or, just set up an IP SLA to track the next hop and fail over to some slower, less expensive backup link.


Wireless is tricky. You'd need a wireless controller. You can go with cheap shit like Ruckus - or go big with Cisco. Once again, Ebay is your friend.


At that point, you just need to run a lot of cable. From the technical perspective, it's really simple.


As for costing $2,000,000 -- I don't think so. Maybe if you need to dig shit up to lay cable, but just from an infrastructure perspective, I couldn't see that exceeding $300,000.

[proxx]

Okay, I'll bite.


Tell me the exact requirements that you have for this scenario.






You can get a 1Gb/s ethernet off-net handoff with 100Mb/s commit in the US for probably about $2,000/mo. Depends on where you are.


You'll need something that is capable of routing 1Gb/s, so at the very least something like a Catalyst 6500 with SUP720's.


You can piece one of those together on EBay for about $700. You don't really need to run BGP unless you have multiple providers, but really -- what's the point of that. Or, just set up an IP SLA to track the next hop and fail over to some slower, less expensive backup link.


Wireless is tricky. You'd need a wireless controller. You can go with cheap shit like Ruckus - or go big with Cisco. Once again, Ebay is your friend.

Ruckus will kick cisco wireless anytime.

[RedBullAddicted]

I am not a hugh fan of these controller based "dump" access points. Bring the intelligence back to the ap Centralized management is great. But the access points should be able to service any requests even when they can't reach the controller. There are a couple of vendors which are trying to go this way now. At the moment I really like the AeroHive devices. They have a couple of nice features like firewalls on the ap (dropping unwanted traffic right at the first network device is something really nice) and private psk (awesome!). You should check them out. </advertisment>

[Nordic]

Ruckus will kick cisco wireless anytime.

First of all, no.


Second of all, you best be kidding. Them is fighting words.

I am not a hugh fan of these controller based "dump" access points. Bring the intelligence back to the ap Centralized management is great. But the access points should be able to service any requests even when they can't reach the controller. There are a couple of vendors which are trying to go this way now. At the moment I really like the AeroHive devices. They have a couple of nice features like firewalls on the ap (dropping unwanted traffic right at the first network device is something really nice) and private psk (awesome!). You should check them out. </advertisment>

Yeah, it sounds nice. I just don't know how much functionality we can smash into an 802.11ac multi-radio AP which is running off of nothing more than a 15W POE connection.


Also, the 3650/3850 WLC / new mobility architecture that Cisco is pushing is a lot more tolerant of such failures. Plus, having mobility zones and dynamic capwap tunnel creation, coordination with a mobility controller and mobility oracles... it's a pretty robust solution which can scale. BOY can it scale.

[ColonelPanic]

This sounds like a good place for mesh networking. It can be done with new/used routers and a base internet connection. A lot of vendors sell ready-made devices (Cisco, Ruckus SmartMesh, VillageTelco, etc.) I flashed some WR54G routers from Goodwill and had a small setup going, but never tried to scale it.

There was a pretty good whitepaper/case study about using them in small villages in Africa or something, but I'm coming up short today.