OS X ?

[shome]

just curious how many of you use Apple products (mainly OS X), as either your main OS or one in your arsenal ? It seems at every infosec conference I see or hear of, the place is filled with lit up apples. I can see some of its glamour, with OS X being built around Unix. I myself have never owned an Apple computer, but wanted some suggestions why to run it if you do. I can see some of the thrills such as it looking really 'pretty', which Apple is quite good at. Also it having parallel, which seems to run VM's well. Cmon lets hear it. I can google and ask my friends but wanted to hear from EZ folks. If this is a retread thread forgive me in advance.

[techb]

Apple is bashed pretty hard around here for good reasons. Top most because of crazy markup cost they try and shove down your throat. They seem to toss around the word 'innovation' a lot which is complete crap. Most all of what they use is stolen, patented, and then used in law suites before the original creator has any idea what is going on. Jobs was a relentless dictator  treating all of his employees like shit, selfish and never donated any profits to anyone. At least gates respects his employees and donates regularly to worth while causes.

There is nothing better or any good about the software other than looking expensive. Most fanboys are entitled douche bags grew up eating off of silver spoons, or too brain dead to think for themselves, which is why they let Apple do that for them. The os isn't compatible with most decent or well used software other than in-house products. Driver support is shit. Even less customizations than what Windows has to offer. Any kinda of 'extras' have to be  Apple products as well. iTunes is just the worst and no other options. Hardware and all of it would be just fine and okay and maybe welcome here, if it wasn't marked up so high and presented as the 'best end all' solution. When even Windows beats the shit out of it in every way and still being proprietary.

Apple is evil, Windows is the lesser evil, with Linux being God in the OS world.

[Pak_Track]

The cost of apple products is stupid. It wouldn't be hard to build a desktop with twice the power of the most expensive Macbook Pro and still have money left over.

[proxx]

The cost of apple products is stupid. It wouldn't be hard to build a desktop with twice the power of the most expensive Macbook Pro and still have money left over.

I like the hardware , I mean I would never buy it but I do have one for work , its a macbook pro( runs arch), very nice.

[Pak_Track]

you're an idiot if you are actually comparing desktops to laptops in terms of hardware costs regardless of the brand.

I guess I do have a biased opinion as I prefer desktops over laptops. However at the same time, I can buy a cheaper laptop with higher or at least equal specs to a macbook.
What I wished to say is macbooks are overpriced.

[Phage]

First of all, PLEASE don't turn this thread into a war. OP asked for info on OS X, not your personal opinion about Apple (*Phage eyes techb*)

techb: Chill down a bit, please. You sound exactly like one of those fanboys you bash so hard in your post.

Pak_Track and 2460h1: I agree with what was stated by 2460h1. Apple is definitely not the worst when it comes to overpriced computers.

OP: As a matter of fact, I do use OS X. I do also own several other apple devices. I prefer OS X and MacBooks for my work, some prefers others. I use what suits my preferences and needs best, my needs may not be similar to others.

OS X lays a great foundation between UNIX'ness and OEM software. Which is mainly what I love it for (and 100 other little things not worth mentioning).

All three major OS platforms provides you with a solid and working environment to advance and improve your current abilities, that being both programming and hacking. There are of course specific tasks which may only be practiced with certain systems (Linux kernel root kits or windows dll injections being two examples).

So use what fits your needs and goals best.

[robbit]

i currently use a hackintosh with Mavericks as my everyday OS, have a macbook air from which i'm writing now, had an iphone 3g and use an iphone 5. i tried a lot of OSes, and in my opinion OSX is the best if you want everything set up and perfectly running at the first startup. I stuck with debian in the past years, i tried ubuntu, slackware (too much for me), and other ones, not to say windows, but i always hated that if you want something like linking a bluetooth headset or install a specific software or anything that goes beyond using the browser and listening to music, you have to lose an hour configuring packages or config files or install dependences or get around that bug or things like that.
in OSX everything works, you don't have to make them work, things work, and pretty well.
sure, you may say that apple products are overpriced, and maybe some of them really are, but when you buy an apple product you don't just pay for the hardware assembled together, you also pay the the care with which it's designed and assembled, the design itself, the materials (they're pretty important for a notebook or smartphone), and the brand... and sincerely, my macbook is super fast and performant, more than i thought, and i never had a crash or bug.
obviously any linux os is a lot more configurable and you can do many more things with it, but for the everyday use of the average user, apple system with its stability and ease of use, plus the wide range of good and stable software made for osx, it's the right choice.
that's my experience and opinion.

ps: macbooks smell good when they're unboxed

[bones]

Been using Macs since 1986. Not a fanboy, my use is dependent on what I do for a living. Sure they cost a lot, but the quality and software/hardware integration are excellent. Mac OSX is a certified UNIX, which Linux definitely is not.

I also use Linux (less and less), OpenBSD (more and more), and Plan 9 (just started).

[AboveDaCloudz]

I agree with Crapple being shitty due to being over priced and proprietary, but I have yet to find a track pad that works as smooth as the macs.

[0E 800]

Kinda long, but to the point.

What I dont like about Apple:

Timeline:

• June 6, 2005: Apple announces its plans to switch to Intel processors at the Worldwide Developer Conference and released a Developer Transition Kit, a PC with a Trusted Platform Module[not in citation given] in a modified Power Mac G5 case, to all Select and Premier members of the Apple Developer Connection at a price of $999.[7]
• January 10, 2006: Jobs announces the first two computers in this series, the 15" MacBook Pro and iMac Core Duo line, both using an Intel Core Duo chip and offers to trade in the Developer Transition Kits for iMacs.
• February 28, 2006: Jobs announces that the Mac mini now also comes with an Intel Core chip, in either the Solo or Duo varieties.
• April 5, 2006: Apple announced the release of Boot Camp, which allows users of Intel-based Macs to run Windows XP.[8]
• April 24, 2006: Apple announces the 17" MacBook Pro, replacing the 17" PowerBook.
• April 27, 2006: Intel announces that processors with the Core microarchitecture would be released months sooner than previously thought.
• May 16, 2006: Apple announces the 13" MacBook, replacing both the iBook line and the 12" PowerBook.
• June 26, 2006: Intel announces the Xeon 5100 series server/workstation CPU.[9]
• July 5, 2006: Apple announces a special educational configuration of the iMac, replacing the old G4 eMac.
• August 7, 2006: "Transition Complete" - Apple announces the Intel-based Mac Pro and Xserve, replacing the Power Mac G5 and Xserve G5, at the Worldwide Developers Conference; both use the Xeon 5100 series ("Woodcrest") processors.[citation needed]
• August 28, 2009: Apple ships Mac OS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard," which is the first OS X version that does not support the PowerPC family computers.

CUPERTINO, California—May 16, 2006—Apple® today unveiled the newly designed MacBook™, the world’s most advanced consumer notebook featuring the Intel Core Duo processor and a gorgeous new 13-inch glossy widescreen display, all in a sleek design that is up to five times faster than the iBook® and up to four times faster than the 12-inch PowerBook®.* Together with the 15-and 17-inch MacBook Pros, the new MacBook completes Apple’s Intel-based portables lineup and replaces both the iBook and the 12-inch PowerBook. Apple’s entire portables lineup now offers Intel Core Duo processors; a built-in iSight™ video camera for video conferencing on-the-go; breakthrough Front Row media experience with Apple Remote; and several advanced features including DVI with dual display support, optical digital audio input and output, Gigabit Ethernet, Sudden Motion Sensor, Scrolling TrackPad and MagSafe™ Power Adapter.

• MA464LL/A -- which shipped with 1 GB of RAM, a 100 GB hard drive, and 256 MB of video memory from February 14, 2006 to May 16, 2006 for US $2499
• MA600LL -- which shipped with 512 MB of RAM, an 80 GB hard drive, and 128 MB of video memory from May 16, 2006 to October 24, 2006 for US $1999.

So the fan boys jump on it, in 2006 they purchase the first Mac Book Pro with a Intel Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo), for $2000 and in 2009 when Snow Leopard comes out, they are good for the upgrade.

March 1, 2011: The beta version of the then-upcoming Mac OS X Lion drops "Rosetta" and will not be able to run PowerPC based software.[10]
July 20, 2011: The release of Mac OS X 10.7 Lion formally ends Apple's support of PowerPC-based software.

So Lion comes out, only 4 years after the original fanboys purchased their first Intel based mac and WTF?!?! the OS doesn't support their processor. They have to live with Snow Leopard or drop another $2000 to buy a new Mac.

Some fan boys jump on it (who wants an outdated OS?) but there are still people who don't have that kind of money. They go about using their Mac the way God intended, surf the web and type up resumes and Photoshop shit. iTunes works for their Iphone 3g and  iPod.

Thats not good enough for Apple. They release Iphone 4, iPad, iPhone 5, iPad mini... The fan boys jump on the newer tech, wait in line, pay out the ass, only to come home and find out they need to upgrade their iTunes to 10.7. Then they discover that Apple does not like them, because in order to upgrade iTunes to 10.7 they need to have OSX Lion.

These poor people that first jumped on the Mac Intel bandwagon find out the hardway that the OSX Lion they paid for does not support their Core Duo x86 processor. (Beta version of Lion did support x86) That they need to buy a new Mac so that they can interface their new iPhone, iPad.

The funny part is, even though Apple has dropped support for their hardware, these 2006 Macs can still run Windows 8.1 and Linux better than they could run the OS that came with em.

So yeah, fuck Apple, piece of shit capitalist vampires and the FAGS (fucking apple geeks)

What else is shitty about Apple, they solder their chips... They don't want you to be able to swap out your battery or CPU.

Compared to the 3 or 4 laptops I have that are PC's -(2004, 2006, 2008, 2013) ranging from XP, VISTA, 7, 8... I can easily add some more memory (for cheap) and install Windows 8.1 and/or *nix on each of them. Oh and all versions of iTunes work.

What else is bad? The mother fucking Apple fan boys who try to pretend they are not gay...

A computer is just a calculator, fuck a fancy calculator in the Rom.

just sayin...



Review for a good laugh:

http://mjryder.net/25-reasons-to-hate-macs-and-3-reasons-to-like-them/

http://www.bluedamage.com/2014/05/19/why-macs-suck-part-3/

[khofo]

Personally I am not against apple products, imo as previously stated if a person wants something that works efficiently and reliably for a long time I would advise them to go apple.


It's very simple u power it on, use it, turn it off. And when it comes to software all the software the average user would ever need is available.
Also when it comes to the artistic field apple products are extremely efficient when it comes to graphic design and development.


Apple products are overpriced, you are buying a brand after all. But when it comes to the durability and reliability of these products you certainly cannot deny that overall Macs and iPhones are the most durable. For instance my cousin bought a mac pro when she first went to university about 7 years ago as u might except specs for her mac now are extremely outdated but her mac is still running smoothly  OSX and the newest version (I do not have any idea at the moment if she got the newest OSX version but last year it was running mountain lion).
As a comparison I got an acer laptop around 5 years ago (or more) with similar specs to her mac (1GB RAM, around 1.3GHz CPU and 500GB HDD), my acer came with xp and even at the time did not run smoothly once I got win 7 on it it couldn't do shit and that was 2-3 years after I got it, also physically it's certainly not intact whereas the mac is (the Acer is running Arch now and thankfully smoothly). For phones I previously owned a 4s and that phone is certainly the best iPhone in my opinion, I am extremely rough with phones EXTREMELY, I regularly drop my phone (sometimes more than once in 1/2 a minute), and use it alot, I kept that iPhone for 2 years but finally left it when it fell from the roof and got destroyed on the concrete.

I do not see myself buying an iPhone or a Mac, the limitation where too much for me, but I would certainly advise people do get apple stuff, more Macs than iPhones since people like my father who just want a computer to use AutoCAD and email on and bear rough treatment, and last at least 7-10 years (Yeah my father doesn't like switching pc's much), I am constantly telling him to get a Macbook Pro since Toshiba, HP or Dell do not give him what he need (regarding durability), also he doesn't want to setup a linux distro where he'll have to mod and debug. So he is perfect candidate for a Mac my friend who asked for a laptop easy to use and which he could use during the whole college period and be good enough for engineering software etc I surely told him to get a Mac.In conclusion in my opinion apple offers good products for certain people, these people may be spoiled brats or people who want simple durable platform or artistically oriented, apple stuff is certainly not overpriced garbage (this is:http://www.toiletpaper.com.au/24-carat-gold-toilet-paper-1-roll/), it's certainly not everyone's cup of tea and surely does not satisfy a lot of people (including myself), but hating on apple and saying it's total crap is certainly not smart, also the company itself may be disliked or Jobs being hated and normally boy-cutting apple but that doesn't make the products garbage for instance if this can relate to you. Hack Team may be hated for the services it provides and that's perfectly fine to not support them but saying that the products they sold were useless and stupid shows ignorance (forget about the recent breach ok?).

it may not be the best illustration but I dunno this comes to my mind while thinking about the topic:

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit,
wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad

And I guess this comes to my mind because I know that macs are good but it's not a reason for me to use them (my brain is fucked up I know)

P.S: My mom's iPhone 4 was run over by 2 wheels of a relatively heavy car and only the back panel cracked, the screen was intact and the phone fully functioning (inane that the battery did not get damaged), we only had to change the back panel and the phone was as new :p