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Offline sakthibruce

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Free Softwares stealing our datas
« on: September 25, 2015, 05:59:16 pm »
This week I was introduced to the word "Tanstaafl", which may sound like a new, bottle-conditioned Trappist beer but is actually an acronym for "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch". As we humans wend our weary way towards extinction, we're becoming increasingly suspicious of the word "free" and the internet has played an important role in escalating our cynicism. Thousands of services claim to be free, but surreptitiously accumulate knowledge of our online gambling habit or our love of Delft pottery and somehow sell that information to third parties. As the now familiar warning goes: if something is free, YOU are the product – and that was highlighted this week in a bold announcement by Czech anti-virus company AVG. In summary: if you use its free software, it will be selling your data.

Data-flogging is an important income stream for many companies, but most of them do their best not to tell us about it, either by mumbling vague, corporate platitudes about our privacy being at the cornerstone of their business, or by burying the relevant information on page 39 of the terms and conditions. Not so with AVG; it drew attention to its new privacy policy with a chirpy YouTube video featuring a trad jazz soundtrack and the relevant details acted out by three people using mime. (Yes, mime.) If you've never seen someone trying to convey the idea of metadata using expressive gestures, it's definitely worth a look – but the message is clear. Personal data (such as name, address, phone number, IP address and location) may be shared "in limited circumstances", while non-personal data (device brand, browsing and search history, advertisement history, apps used) will be shunted on to other companies willy-nilly. "This is what we're doing, so take it or leave it," it is, in effect, saying.

With AVG the third-biggest global provider of antivirus software (after Microsoft and Avast) it's a significant statement, and many security experts have been urging the public to leave it rather than take it. After all, the provider of your antivirus software is in a unique a position of trust, so why continue using it if it has become "spyware"? Some have gone further, mocking AVG's concept of "non-personal" data; you could easily be identified from your browsing history, they say, despite the company's assurance that said data is anonymised. Others have smugly questioned why anyone could possibly still be using AVG when there's other, newer, more highly regarded free software on the market such as Panda, Bitdefender or Malwarebytes.

https://youtu.be/2MdQa87fqnw

A more pertinent question, perhaps, is why so many of us are persistently unwilling to pay for a product that is, arguably, critical to our online safety. It seems that our cynicism about the "free" status of software and services is ultimately overridden by the fact that we'd rather do anything than cough up money to use them. Often, the moment we cease to care about our privacy coincides with the moment we decline to tap in our 16-digit card number, and while AVG has been cast as the villain for daring to make money from a product that it provides for zero pounds a pop, at least it's being upfront about it.

With that slightly annoying mime video, it has come pretty close to saying "Tanstaafl" to its customers: if you're not prepared to pay for useful things, you will end up paying in some other, more nebulous way that's becoming increasingly difficult to quantify.

Source: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/anti-virus-software-if-you-use-avgs-free-software-it-will-sell-your-data-10515043.html?cmpid=facebook-post
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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 06:25:13 pm »
Others have smugly questioned why anyone could possibly still be using AVG when there's other, newer, more highly regarded free software on the market such as Panda, Bitdefender or Malwarebytes.

Malwarebytes isn't even an antivirus.... it is an anti-malware. I think everyone over this forum should know the difference between an antivirus and anti-malware which is conceptual programming equal to primary school "science." AVG is the fence and Malwarebytes is the steel door that comes free with a large police dog. (Or just the large dog if you don't pirate the license.)

Panda, I thought, is dead. Who cares about it anymore?

Bitdefender "free" is DEAD just like Panda. It doesn't include official support anymore.

I am not advocating AVG (but I admit I have it installed in my system at the moment of typing this, why? Because I didn't have enough time to download ESET after a fresh OS reinstall and I couldn't keep my system unprotected for long. It is AVG Internet Security but I didn't pay for it.) I am just saying that the article itself has some points deserved to be mocked.

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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 06:46:31 pm »
Ah nice topic, I had this discussion a couple times this week.
OP put it quite nicely.

But I disagree too some extend.
There are quite some open-source projects that do not fit Tanstaafl.
How is that not free lunch?

It seems like the companies responsible for pulling this shit, parties such as AVG start off with being the nicest people you have ever met, providing a free solution, the idea is that you like it that much that you will buy the pro version.
But since most users probably didn't stand up to this model there is little venue there(there is no roof, its alway's too little).
Anyway ever since big data is a thing users should be educated to worry about commercial companies offering free stuff.
Everytime something like the AVG incident passes I am stunned by the amount of people that are suprised about this.
Google,microsoft,apple don't tell for that for a second anyone here ever trusted any of them with your data when it comes to privacy.

Ubuntu has been accused of collecting data, they said it was simply to enhance the search thingy they had going, I actually believe them in this case.
Question is how long will it take open-source companies to go overboard.
Other suspects on my list are google-chrome ? flash ? java ?
http://download.cnet.com/most-popular-software/
CCleaner and avast are in the lead :P

Where do we really stand when even paid software does this?
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 06:49:45 pm by proxx »
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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 06:56:19 pm »
I strongly have to disagree about this "If it's free, you're the product being sold" stuff. This may be true for proprietary software, but there are tons of open source software that provenly does not make you the product. Since this only really is an issue when it comes to proprietary software (as obviously everyone can simply check the source code with open source software), paying for a product does not make you safer -  your data may very well be stolen although you're paying for the product.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2015, 06:57:38 pm by ptales »
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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 12:28:52 am »
i never use free software again

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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 01:04:02 am »
Nothing new here.

Even browsing the web on a 'free' web-browser (is there even a paid-for browser avail?)
Java is free, tries to modify your search engine or add X-software.

Subscription based everything ..

Pay for the internet, get the adds for free.
Pay for cable-tv get the commercials for free.
Adds and commercials want to know what you like, what you want to buy.

Ever gone to the mall and entered to win a car or million dollars?
They want your info.

Nothing is free, no strings attached.
Everything is free, all strings attached.

You vote for free .. cough
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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2015, 01:35:25 am »
i never use free software again

lol

Yes the fact is that nearly nothing is free in this capitalistic world. Red-Anarchy for the future generations !
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Re: Free Softwares stealing our datas
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 07:37:20 am »
I admit that the largest software companies like Microsoft will sell your data even if you pay for their software. But that doesn't make open-source software bad, especially every single software. For example, I don't think MyBB would sell your data to anyone, and there are some privacy policies of open-source software that simply read "We will never sell your data without your permission."

I also love how Java has "sponsered" software pre-checked. They really hope we just click "next next next" without noticing.