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Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:59:26 pm »
Just trying to get some opinions on what everyone thinks the best wireless cards are. Does it matter whether you are running KALI or WIN7? The cards themselves range from 4-40+ dollars, just wanted to know if some are easier to keep anonymous, or if some work better than others. ANY info or opinions are welcomed.

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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2015, 12:18:48 am »
Any adapter that supports injection is fine. People always go with the Alpha adapters when this question is asked, but they aren't "the best". I've got a much smaller and ~half the cost D-Link adapter for my laptop that works just fine. I've never had a situation where I'm like "oh, my D-Link adapter isn't capturing these packets, maybe my AWUS036H will do it better".

It's really of no consequence, just buy whatever will work for your needs and is on sale.

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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2015, 12:30:39 am »
For starting I would go with a TL-WN722N.

Maybe you wan to strap something ontop of your car or suction cup it to your living room window.
Might want to look into yagi or directional antenna.

This question is asked alot, its kind of like asking:

Whats the best Street Fighter 2 character?

Use what works.
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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2015, 12:58:13 am »
This is an opinion question, so I will post my opinion. As I have suggested several times before, especially for those wanting to go for that Alfa/Alpha adapter. They work, but as a personal preference I've had too many issues using RTL chipset cards. They used to work great, but all I use when it comes to wireless auditing is cards with an Atheros chipset. I personally use the TP-Link-WN722N.

However, please note, have one card for auditing and one card for general use. For example I use my TP-Link to run aircrack, reaver, etc. It's my go to monitor mode card, however I use my laptop's on board card for regular browsing/downloading. The reason being is cards that you're running injections and stuffs on cause it to shorten its lifespan as it puts stress on the card most are not meant to endure.
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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2015, 07:07:59 am »
As a personal preference, anything with an Atheros chipset and a RP-SMA connector. Alpha makes nice usb adapters that are made with a few different chipsets, they have RP-SMA connectors and range from 700mw to 2000mw output. Add a yagi antenna and maybe an inline power amplifier for a versatile 802.11 setup.

http://store.rokland.com/products/alfa-awus036nh-usb-adapter-16-dbi-yagi-antenna-5m-lmr-200-extension-cable?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=googlepla&variant=691016753

This is a nice setup all by itself. Costs around 60 bucks. I have ordered from this company before on once occasion without any problems.
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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2015, 08:09:47 am »
I use TP-LINK TL-WN722N and I'm realy satisfied. But everything depends on purpose of card.

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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2015, 08:45:58 am »
My first card was an Alfa AWUS036H and that was pretty long time ago. It was used for various testing and especially I tried it with maximum power it can support for long periods of time. Therefore my chip got fucked up and had a lot of connectivity issues and was no longer was stable with frequent disconnects, etc.

Next one was Alfa AWUS036NH, it was a bit better over the last one perhaps because I learnt my lesson and didn't boost the power to max, and as of now it runs fine without any connectivity issues. It has good range and not much issue other than the fact that it has driver problem so it doesn't work that well with aircrack-ng (especially packet injection part on my current arch linux distro) but it doesn't matter since I only use it for regular connection and have my first card for that job.

Also if you see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jTORBwsVQ, they show you a booster...I've seen a booster quite similar to that and was thinking of buying one. Anyone has any ideas how effective they're with long range antennas or if they're feasible at all?

Also I would want to try some new cards other than alfa that might be good, feel free to leave some suggestions.


« Last Edit: October 14, 2015, 09:02:32 am by rogue.hackz »
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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2015, 11:07:18 am »
I'm using AWUS036NH and there is no problems for now. But i think i m going to buy TP-LINK TL-WN722N, becouse many of members recommend it

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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2015, 01:32:20 pm »
I use the  TL-WN722N as well most of the time , But i also use the Alfa AWUS051NH because it is duel band and picks up the 5 GHz range .

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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2015, 06:15:44 pm »
My first card was an Alfa AWUS036H and that was pretty long time ago. It was used for various testing and especially I tried it with maximum power it can support for long periods of time. Therefore my chip got fucked up and had a lot of connectivity issues and was no longer was stable with frequent disconnects, etc.

Next one was Alfa AWUS036NH, it was a bit better over the last one perhaps because I learnt my lesson and didn't boost the power to max, and as of now it runs fine without any connectivity issues. It has good range and not much issue other than the fact that it has driver problem so it doesn't work that well with aircrack-ng (especially packet injection part on my current arch linux distro) but it doesn't matter since I only use it for regular connection and have my first card for that job.

Also if you see this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5jTORBwsVQ, they show you a booster...I've seen a booster quite similar to that and was thinking of buying one. Anyone has any ideas how effective they're with long range antennas or if they're feasible at all?

Also I would want to try some new cards other than alfa that might be good, feel free to leave some suggestions.

Ok i thought about replying to this topic earlier, decided it was well in hand....but now it looks like i might be able to help some, but before i get to some of the later replys i want to start with OP.

@OP: This will be something of an ape of those before me, card usability GREATLY differs on what your initial criteria is. Not just injection/web surfing but are you doing almost nothing but large data transfers etc. Which means you are generally going to have to pick one or two KEY usages for the card and search for cards that review well both in lab simulations as well as have a positive review from customers(stability). Keep in mind in MANY cases the antenna that ships with card X sucks donkey balls and can make a card look worse than it is.

So i thought about just throwing a bunch of math out....but that would leave a lot of people in the dark. Instead what i will do is post a useful wiki link with all the necessary math and explanations of how this stuff works, and instead explain using other equipment that most should be more familiar with. After that ill toss out a few other key points/notes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_gain

basically think of a antenna's receiving ability in terms of a microphone, transmission in terms of your speakers. Basically the sensitivity of your microphone determines how well it picks up sounds and converts it to energy for transmission, the more sensitive it is the more it picks up, from further away. This is a double edged sword. The more it picks up the more firmware/software has to filter "extraneous" noise out of the channel. Same goes for an antenna, the higher the gain...the more noise. However unlike a microphone when you are dealing with a two way street (access point+your system). Which is where we switch technology too....car stereo. More specifically that antenna you have on your car. When ever you start getting to far away from a transmission source(radio station) you start getting "choppy" music for two main reasons. Interference from other sources AND degradation of signal from distance. This matters in cases like the video that rogue posted. that "19 access points detected" off of a boosted signal likely somewhere around only HALF of those would you be able to connect to reliably. In short boosting power is not always the answer, especially when you are trying to boost an antenna beyond its nominal gain. On top of that the firmware of your card(and the software on your system) can greatly increase or decrease "recognizable" signals in how it filters them. Hence why under windows their was a disparity card to card (firmware) and an even bigger disparity on kali vs windows(software). Also in that video note how close he put the booster to the card. This IS correct placement, the initial signal coming out of the card is "weak" you dont want to boost a weakened signal, because you boost the "bad" along with the "good". That said you also dont really want to use a booster unless like him your antenna is a good distance away AND rated for the power you are putting into it.

side hack: http://www.instructables.com/id/turn-ANY-speaker-into-a-microphone-in-just-2-easy-/

Some after thoughts(well a few of the many i have still going on):

Never forget that any piece of gear you add between point A and point B add's latency. In terms of a booster since its a "dumb" item it adds maybe .5ms each way or 1ms round trip. in the case of "smart" tech that makes some sort of decision its normally figured to be 2ms round trip. On top of it adding in cabling, the type of cabling AND core technology behind it can make a huge difference in not just latency but in where/how the signal starts breaking down. Anyway in that video id assume 2-3ms added to the round trip latency, which means if latency is important to you it would be a bad setup.

Boosting power via the motherboard/usb is generally bad juju. Most of the time not because its damaging your antenna, but damaging the card itself because the components generally arnt rated for the heat generated.

Which brings me to something else i seem to say a LOT....the biggest component and system killer is HEAT. more heat is ALWAYS bad for longevity. the higher power something uses, the more heat it produces(i could link to that math too. but fuck it go google). It weakens solder, degrades capacitors etc etc etc. say no to heat.

That said, its not the only way boosting power can harm a component, if it goes way beyond the (as an instance) rating that a resistor can handle it is going to blow up then and their. Even if your not going past its rating, if your hitting it near its max...it just wont last as long(due to heat!).

Anyway hope i cleared things up some. im gonna go poke a bear now before i write even more on this.
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Re: Opinions on "BEST" WIRELESS CARD
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2015, 01:37:30 am »
Hey @DarkVision, really appreciate your feedback. Some of the stuff you said does make sense, which I had to learn the hardway unfortunately.

From experience what I've learned is that the Atheros cards for Linux are fucking awesome. The drivers work flawlessly, especially the builtin Intel Atheros card in my laptop. It's super stable and never had any connections issues other than the fact that it doesn't have that much of a big range. Also they have good power management settings, which really comes in handy at times when you're on a laptop.

I liked the suggestion of TP-LINK TL-WN722N, if I'll be buying a wireless card in the near future that'll be at the top of my list.
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« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2015, 06:05:26 pm »
Hey @DarkVision, really appreciate your feedback. Some of the stuff you said does make sense, which I had to learn the hardway unfortunately.

From experience what I've learned is that the Atheros cards for Linux are fucking awesome. The drivers work flawlessly, especially the builtin Intel Atheros card in my laptop. It's super stable and never had any connections issues other than the fact that it doesn't have that much of a big range. Also they have good power management settings, which really comes in handy at times when you're on a laptop.

I liked the suggestion of TP-LINK TL-WN722N, if I'll be buying a wireless card in the near future that'll be at the top of my list.
Atheros along with intel produce very very well supported (W)NIC's, my vote will alway's go to Atheros when it comes to wifi.
There are miniPCI cards that are very powerful (near 1W) and have support for antenna's.
Ofther used on prof. AP's , these cards are mostly Atheros.
These pci cards can be obtained at 'pro' wireless webshops.

Also , anyone who suggests the alfa awus should be bitchslapped and banned.
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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 02:48:58 pm »
Don't know if it helps you but on this site: http://www.notebookguru.de/index.html, they let you put killer wireless into your notebook which you can set up.
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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2015, 07:04:19 pm »
The range on alfa cards is crap, well on the most popular one anyone way. It only supports G networks which i used less frequently now. If you have a big budget then i would recommend riverbed brand not that i have used there models but i have seen it in use for general sniffing and lab demo via wireshark