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Offline jackysupremacy

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Setting up anonymity
« on: October 15, 2015, 10:23:00 pm »
hi guys

this is my first post here except for the presentation so please don't crucifix me.
First of all, i've read all about this community's rules and i've also searched a lot in the forum and also in google so even if the question i am going to do is a common question, please ask me because i am still confused
I've read all the posts i could find about anonymity, and also the magnificent tutorial the "art of anonymity" that i wanted to print because of its usefulness.
But there are a lots of controversies out, someone likes ToR, someone else doesn't, someone uses proxies, someone else doesn't, VPNs and so on...

My question (forgive me) is: which setup do you think is the best for a paranoid level of anonymity?
i mean the IP setup (i know that it is only a part of anonymity but it's maybe one of the most important in my opinion), so how should i hide myself apart from standard suggestions such as "do not use your network", "use a untraceable computer (bought used by someone for example)", "use OS like Tails", "spoof you MAC"?

I thought about: VPN + ToR + procychains but i see opposite opinions about (i also know that it depends on the VPN and the proxies used but i mean in general)

thank you for your time and sorry for my bad english and the common question.
Best regards

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2015, 10:36:38 pm »
It's all a matter of personal opinion. There are many different ways to go about it. How "anonymized" (sp?) do you want to be? That is the question you need to ask your self. If you're paranoid about your web security there is one sure fire way to solve that and that is...stay off the internet or anything that can connect to the internet.

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2015, 10:51:07 pm »
the answer is simple, i don't want to be traced

yep i know it's about personal opinion and so i asked you guys, i want your opinions and argumentations about it

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2015, 10:52:36 pm »
The uh.."standard suggestions" you threw out there work just fine if you do it right. What the hell you plan on doing need more than the above?

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2015, 11:10:17 pm »
hahaha yea you're right but as i said i really meant paranoid...

but also for personal knowledge i'd like to know the pros and cons of each set up and which one works best for you

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 04:56:16 am »
KISS; Keep it simple stupid. It's better not to have too complex set up, that means more points where your anonymity can fail and betray you. This is a hard question to answer, it's so general.

Ask yourself this instead: What's my threat model? Who is my advesary and who am I up against? A nationwide state? An repessive regime or just a script kiddie trying to dox you? It depends on the situation you're in, they require different levels of OPSEC. Chances are that you shouldn't even be using internet if you're trying to evade a nationwide state trying to track you down, they have many resources available.

First and all, this applies to everyone who wants to be anonymous. Shut the hell up, silence is security. Don't talk about your plans, futhermore check out this talk which explains more: OPSEC for Hackers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XaYdCdwiWU

There's many approaches for the so called paranoid set ups. But as a first step I recommend you to use Tor. Despite what people say about Tor, it's still better than a vpn. Because a vpn is only one hop away, and they won't go to jail for you. Some things that you should have clear when using tor, don't run scripts, don't contaminate your circuit with your clearnet activies and use SSL when possible. If you want to patch things up even more you can use a vpn. Using a vpn before tor will give you more security by encrypting your communications (guard node and exit node can see your traffic unencrypted iirc). Or you can do it the other way, a vpn at the end of the circuit which gives you more anonymity instead.

Some of my favourite approaches for using tor:

1) Virtual Isolation
Isolation is good practise. By isolating your Tor traffic on a virtual machine, you can 1) route all of your traffic through tor 2) even malware with root access wont find out your real IP address. You should be using whonix for this: https://whonix.org

Topography:
Computer > Virtual Machine [ Tor gateway > Whonix Workstation] > Internet
Note: Yes, you can use a vpn outside the VM to make it more secure.

2) Physical Isolation
This is the same thing as above except you're using physical machines for the Isolation. This can be done through PORTAL (Personal Onion Router To Assure Liberty) with the help of a raspberry pi or an openwrt router.
 
3) Tails LiveCD
I really like this, because it leaves no trace and pretty much runs in ram. Just keep it on a usb, DVD ROM (Read Only makes it harder to tamper with), SD card (Easy to dispose of) etc. And boot it up on the computer, it's also pretty useful in public places considering you can use a window xp theme to make it look fairly normal.

That is really just one small piece that can get you started with this. There's tons of interesting ways to enchance your anonymity.

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2015, 12:47:01 pm »
Are you looking for a permanent setup or do you only need high levels of anonymity at certain times? If latter, just go out and find a free wifi spot with clean computer, boot up from live USB / CD with no personal data and of course spoof your MAC. This way, if you are not 100% sure about your VPS / Tor / Proxychains or whatever setup you are using (you should still be using a decent setup), you still have an additional layer protecting you. If there are no cameras you should be pretty safe no matter how paranoid you are. This way, even if your setup fails for some reason or you get owned, just grab you stuff and get out of there.
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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2015, 01:05:53 pm »
Guys, you do realize at the end of it, this is all extremely pointless?  Even if you find a VPN or a proxy provider who doesn't keep logs themselves, their ISP is required to do so by law... 

They don't mention that part in the marketing material.

Insider provided some valuable input, this really depends on the threat level you are up against. 
To become completely anonymous is not impossible, just something that requires more than software, you'd literally need to go make changes to the exchange, something the service provider is likely to notice at some point so you'll also need to be smart about it.  That being said, it's hard, impractical and extremely unlikely you'd need it.

As a dear friend of mine used to say : "If you do stupid shit, stupid shit will happen to you"

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2015, 02:44:50 pm »
Proxychains. I like this option (mainly because TOR) but I've been looking up a way to add another proxy after the exit node. You can do this in the Proxychains config file by adding another IP after the default TOR one. Add a VPN before TOR and it seems like you'll be pretty damn anonymous.

At least anonymous like this:

Not like this:

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Re: Setting up anonymity
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2015, 03:34:19 pm »
Guys, you do realize at the end of it, this is all extremely pointless?  Even if you find a VPN or a proxy provider who doesn't keep logs themselves, their ISP is required to do so by law... 

They don't mention that part in the marketing material.

Insider provided some valuable input, this really depends on the threat level you are up against. 
To become completely anonymous is not impossible, just something that requires more than software, you'd literally need to go make changes to the exchange, something the service provider is likely to notice at some point so you'll also need to be smart about it.  That being said, it's hard, impractical and extremely unlikely you'd need it.

As a dear friend of mine used to say : "If you do stupid shit, stupid shit will happen to you"

It depends on the country, which is why when choosing a proxy/vpn you should not just be familiar with the company hosting it, but also the country's laws it resides in.

anyway @OP check out the anonymity thread, their is a reason it is a sticky, this has all been discussed in GREAT detail, time and again.
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