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LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« on: March 05, 2012, 11:27:06 pm »
First of all while I debated for a short while about the relevance of this topic to the forum I remembered one fact. Lucid dreaming(in my opinion) is just another form of hacking. Now I'm sure many would disagree. For those people I might recommend looking at this thread http://evilzone.org/general-discussion/odd-set-of-skills/.

In reality your brain is really just a very complex computer and dreaming is just another function of that computer so if your definition of hacking is limited to computers then I think this still applies to you.



Now for those who don't know:

Lucid dreaming is a phenomenon when in a state of dreaming you become aware(lucid) and realize that you are actually in a dream. There are a couple of key benefits to this. First of all its fun as fuck. Second, and this is really the more important part, you can improve many aspects of your brain by doing this regularly if you become good at it. Also you can give you great insight into your own life and mind....a bit like hacking into a program and modifying it.

When you begin lucid dreaming you will notice that not only are you aware that you are in a dream, you can also control your dream world. More common things like flying are possible. But there are many other things. For example in one particular dream of mine while experimenting I set things on fire, lifted objects by pointing at them and controlled where they would go, changed day into night....and so on. While fun, these things may seem unimportant which, they kind of are but there are other things that you can do that can have real benefits. One thing about lucid dreaming is that when it happens your dream world becomes much more vivid to the point of even having peripheral vision. With the ability to chose where you go in your dream(which never ceases to amaze me)you can go to faraway points in your dream. You can even summon people from your real life and have real conversations with them!

Keep in mind this does take energy and sometimes you will find that you are exerting actual physical effort in your dreams.


The techniques:

Most people go their entire lives without ever experiencing this phenomenon or even knowing that it exists. However there are things you can do in your day to day life that can help you (set up)your dreaming experience.

First, make a habit to look at your hands intermittently throughout the day. Be sure to count your fingers. This is the technique I prefer to use.

If you choose you can look at a clock(must be digital)throughout the day and make a conscious effort to study the time. When you see a digital clock in your dream you will not see numbers you will see unreadable lines as though the clock has malfunctioned. Likewise, if you look at your hands your fingers will appear meshed, and will morph together as you scan over them as though you are looking at them one or two at a time through a magnifying glass.

The reason for doing this is that after long enough if you make this a habit in your daily life you will find that you will dream about doing these activities just like you dream about other things that happen in your daily life. The act of seeing your hands or a clock coupled with the fact that they will not appear normal in your dream, is often a great way to "snap you out of" your mundane dreaming and will trigger lucidity.


Another useful technique is to ask yourself "am I dreaming?" throughout the day. Be sincere. Try to get into the mindset that many people theorize...that we are all in a dream, that the real world is an illusion.

Yet another is to, as you are laying in bed feeling that warm wave of sleep start to drift over you, try to keep in mind of your intent to lucid dream. It has been known for some people to fall asleep and go immediately into the realm of lucid dreaming.



Things to keep in mind:

Often times the activities you may choose to do become harder the more you lucid dream. This is a challenge you must overcome if you want to achieve even greater control over your dreams, your life, and the computer which is your brain.

Nothing worth doing is easy.

Also, when you begin to lose control of a nights dreaming experience(inevitable as we all must wake up eventually) you will get the sensation that you will be leaving soon. Familiarize yourself with this feeling. Sometimes you will lose control of your dream before you are ready to wake up. You must be able to recognize that feeling if you want to "override" waking up. These are some techniques you can use when you feel about to wake up.

One such technique is to scream at the top of your lungs. I suppose you can scream whatever you want however its best to scream something related to lucid dreaming like "Lucid dream longer!!"For some reason this can extend your lucid dream for at least a little while longer. Its a way to force the dream to come back.

You can also try to run as fast as you can in your dream. Anything that requires you to exert alot of force quickly seems to do this.



There are many more aspects of lucid dreaming that I have not covered as it is probably impossible to cover them all. Lucid dreaming is fun to some, to others its entering a whole new world with endless possibilities. As I've said before with the right intent you can gain great insight into your own life and this world.



Happy dreaming
« Last Edit: March 22, 2012, 03:25:00 am by LuciD »
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2012, 08:17:28 am »
One should not dream and actually do, but you sound like you ate mushrooms :D
Kudos for writing it up, but I'm not sure what did you want to say with it :P

Heh you sure sound like an interesting person to talk to :D Sometimes shit looks like you're in a matrix, ya know.
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 10:36:44 am »
Its interesting. That matrix idea is becoming more and more relevant in my life lately.
I guess this kind of thing is too...powerful for me to not share what I know about it.


I'm curious as to why you would say that one should not dream and actually do?
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 03:20:47 pm »
+rep for this, because there are a few techniques covered, I didn't know yet.

I do not practice lucid dreaming anymore, but I did for a while. I also had lucid dreams spontaneously when I was a kid sometimes going along with a sleep paralysis afterwards (which is frightening if you don't know what it is).

One of the things I liked to do, was moving into people on the street. I could actually see how they looked inside and I felt their blood, heard their heart and so on. It is hard to describe.

The lots of details I got were sometimes so overwhelming that I woke up. Another "danger" is loosing control again, fading back to the normal dreaming. That happened a lot to me.

It is definitely interesting and worth trying.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 03:21:21 pm by Deque »

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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 04:15:47 pm »
WoW :o
I've never heard of this until now. This can have some philosophical implications on reality, the fact that someone can create his/her own reality raises some questions about the reality we experience everyday. +1 for this

I would like to know if there is a possible connection between hallucinogenic drugs and lucid dreaming ? Do you have any information on this
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 07:42:28 pm »
I have never trained or even tried to do this lucid dreaming, but, interestingly enough, I get these every now and then.

Sometimes I dream stuff, and then just wake up and remember every single detail. Then, I analyze the scenario, decide what I want to do next in the dream, decide how I will do it, and go into sleep again. Then the dream becomes even more vivid and I see me doing what I wanted, just before I went back into sleep.

Dreams are strange things.
I actually get solutions to my problems through dreams. I remember how once I couldn't get some C code working proparly and could not figure out whats wrong. Then after a few days of strugle with the code I was dreaming about how I fixed it.
When I woke up, I remembered what I dreamed, and quickly realized that the solution in the dream would actually work. And it did. The only problem is that I have to write the dream down as soon as possible before it fades away.

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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 07:59:01 pm »
I actually get solutions to my problems through dreams. I remember how once I couldn't get some C code working proparly and could not figure out whats wrong. Then after a few days of strugle with the code I was dreaming about how I fixed it.
When I woke up, I remembered what I dreamed, and quickly realized that the solution in the dream would actually work. And it did. The only problem is that I have to write the dream down as soon as possible before it fades away.
lolwhat! you too? I thought I was crazy with this, but seems more people ate having the same.
It did happen to me few times before - when I was writing some apps and in the end just could not figure out one thing or another and I struggle for few days with it , I go to sleep, and in the morning when I wake up I somehow immediately know the solution, so yeah I gotta do it right away because I can't seem to remember a lot of dreams, but it's in my head, even tho I can't have a clear picture, when I start to code it goes out :D
Weird shit dude, really weird to understand but it's true :D

About these lucid dreams that sound creepy, sorry for my first comment. I didn't read it all at first, only few parts so I thought you were writing shit being high :D

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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 01:04:39 am »
Can this relate to astral projecting at all? I was thinking of trying that but this sounds much more fun and easier O.o


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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 04:41:01 am »
WoW :o
I've never heard of this until now. This can have some philosophical implications on reality, the fact that someone can create his/her own reality raises some questions about the reality we experience everyday. +1 for this

I would like to know if there is a possible connection between hallucinogenic drugs and lucid dreaming ? Do you have any information on this

Although I have done my fair share of hallucinogens I've never noticed a direct connection. I do know that smoking marijuana can effectively stifle this...and actually dreaming altogether. One of the many reasons I don't smoke.


One author Carlos Castaneda has a series on his experiences with a shaman named don Juan who teaches him about many things that raise questions about reality, including lucid dreaming. He has him doing a variety of drugs like Jimson weed and peyote. However he does this mainly to help him "break his plate of reasoning." Theres no circumstances where the use of one of these drugs directly causes a lucid dream.


@Kulverstukas

Don't be sorry this is a weird subject to talk about. Most people chalk this up to "hippy shit" I see this as an incredible and useful part of life to be explored.
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 04:42:24 am by LuciD »
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2012, 08:57:17 am »
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lolwhat! you too? I thought I was crazy with this, but seems more people ate having the same.

That's really nothing new. Several scientists claim to have found solutions in their dreams. One of the most famous is probably August Kekulé and the benzene.

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Sometimes I dream stuff, and then just wake up and remember every single detail. Then, I analyze the scenario, decide what I want to do next in the dream, decide how I will do it, and go into sleep again. Then the dream becomes even more vivid and I see me doing what I wanted, just before I went back into sleep.

That doesn't sound like a lucid dream to me. I mean that is possible too--planning beforehand how the dream shall go, I also did this sometimes. But in a lucid dream you are aware that you are dreaming and are able to influence it the same moment you dream. The experience is much different from a normal dream, even a planned one.
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 06:20:59 pm »
Don't even try astral projections. Crazy shit that ca n leave you mentally ill.

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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 08:10:32 pm »
+rep for this, because there are a few techniques covered, I didn't know yet.

I do not practice lucid dreaming anymore, but I did for a while. I also had lucid dreams spontaneously when I was a kid sometimes going along with a sleep paralysis afterwards (which is frightening if you don't know what it is).

One of the things I liked to do, was moving into people on the street. I could actually see how they looked inside and I felt their blood, heard their heart and so on. It is hard to describe.

The lots of details I got were sometimes so overwhelming that I woke up. Another "danger" is loosing control again, fading back to the normal dreaming. That happened a lot to me.

It is definitely interesting and worth trying.

Can't say I've tried that. I remember in one lucid dream I encountered a person who showed me many things to do in the dream that I never would have thought to do. It didn't seem like I had dreamt this, it was more like I was gaining information from an outside source. This person told me that he too was currently lucid dreaming in another real physical location in the world and it just so happened that we were in the same plane  at the same time.

Yeah its easy to have it slip back to normal dreaming thats why I like to use the screaming or running techniques. It often helps at least for a little bit.


Deque is right that(while cool and potentially useful)is not a lucid dream. Dreams are your brains way of recharging and repairing. Its not uncommon to have a problem, then go to sleep, and without actually remembering anything in your dream you wake up and the problem seems easy to solve. This happens to everyone
« Last Edit: March 07, 2012, 08:14:48 pm by LuciD »
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 01:36:21 am »
Once you start lucid dreaming - especially from self induced - you lucid dream every night.

I know.

Don't open this door unless you are ready to be that way forever.


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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 01:59:03 am »
Haha I think your confused. Lucid dreaming and insanity from too much LSD are very different things
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Re: LuciD's impromtu guide to lucid dreaming
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2012, 04:29:14 am »
In not sure. I don't remember.


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