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Hello All,


I am just curious of everyone's opinion on something. Why doesn't a company take Apple's idea (hardware and OS monopoly) but with a Linux OS like Android or Arch Linux or even Ubuntu. If you made it compatible with the hardware and pre-installed (still would need to build) it would take out pretty much all the problems and commercial programs would start becoming more and more prevalent in Linux. It is a better OS - security-wise and stability wise. Steam is on it, why doesn't someone get all the Linux nerds together to all work under one OS and focus fully on developing the shit out of it? Any ideas are welcome and I would love to discuss this further!
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 06:19:26 am »
First of all, Apple doesn't have ideas. They take what other people have and mix it together.
What you're proposing isn't as simple as you make it sound. Linux is not an operating system, it's a kernel. Android is a mobile OS that uses the Linux kernel and is written in Java. And in a big business environment, it wouldn't make much sense to use Linux for client computers. It's good for servers but not for end users

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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 08:58:45 am »
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And in a big business environment, it wouldn't make much sense to use Linux for client computers. It's good for servers but not for end users
Hellooo! It's 2013, not 2001 -_- Linux dekstops is an everyday occurence now, just seen one guy on a bus with Ubuntu running on his laptop.
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 11:06:32 am »
@OP: that's an interesting question. Leaving apple aside with this, as they steal ideas rather than making up their own, Google has one - an android. Mobile OS that they created.
But thinking a bit back in years, Google had an OS - it was called Chromium OS. At one point it was said that ChromiumOS was the fastest at booting up.

Why don't they make it supreme and market it as an awesome OS is beyond me, AFAIK it's not being developed very intensively anymore.

But let's face it - Linux will never be as popular as windows, because of the executable file incompatibilities. So as skidiot said, unless Linux distros will support all my shit out-of-the-box and won't require knowledge in computer internals to fix an issue, I'll continue to use both windows and linux.

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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 11:11:53 am »
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Linux will never be as popular as windows, because of the executable file incompatibilities.

Incorrect. Linux will never be as popular as windows, as long as people are hesitant to learn alternative Linux native software and as long as software vendors don't program their sofware for Linux. Steam for example ported their software to Linux. Skype did as well. There is no software for Windows that cannot be created for Linux. It's basically battle between Microsoft monopoly powered by money, and GNU/Linux freedom philosophy.
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 11:27:36 am »
Incorrect. Linux will never be as popular as windows, as long as people are hesitant to learn alternative Linux native software and as long as software vendors don't program their sofware for Linux. Steam for example ported their software to Linux. Skype did as well. There is no software for Windows that cannot be created for Linux. It's basically battle between Microsoft monopoly powered by money, and GNU/Linux freedom philosophy.
And that is an issue in itself - he who has the stacks of money will control everything.
Microsoft monopoly is so much bigger in comparison to GNU/Linux, that I really believe it will stay like this for a very long time.
Vendors aim for what people use the most - and that is windows. Why should software vendors spend more resources to port their software to other platforms when there will be only a handful of people compared to windows that will use it...
Of course there are those who do port their software to other platforms. But many just don't bother.
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 11:32:13 am »
Hello All,


I am just curious of everyone's opinion on something. Why doesn't a company take Apple's idea (hardware and OS monopoly) but with a Linux OS like Android or Arch Linux or even Ubuntu. If you made it compatible with the hardware and pre-installed (still would need to build) it would take out pretty much all the problems and commercial programs would start becoming more and more prevalent in Linux. It is a better OS - security-wise and stability wise. Steam is on it, why doesn't someone get all the Linux nerds together to all work under one OS and focus fully on developing the shit out of it? Any ideas are welcome and I would love to discuss this further!


Im running arch full time , I dont have a dualboot.


What 'problem'  are you reffering to?
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 01:47:06 pm »
There are many reasons why Linux/GNU operating systems are not going to be as popular as Windows systems for some time to come. Maybe 5 years. Maybe 10. maybe 20. Hard to say.

First of all, a lot of professional commercial software does not run on linux. It could run on it, but as Kulver has said, companies can't be bothered to spend lots of money to port their software.
Good example of a niche where pros choose win/mac over linux is motion graphics/special visual effects. Both win/mac have professional solutions, where linux has only entry level basic software  in that niche.
That is just an example.
Another good example would be games. There are so many games that you just can't get working on linux. And companies wont port their best games to linux because the linux market is so tiny. Also, linux doesn't have decent drivers for many modern video cards. If you read through linux forums you will see countless threads about how people are having problems with getting video cards to work properly. Yes most of those problems have work-arounds, but for a simple guy who is not into tech stuff, even that simple problem might take a lot of time to solve. This problem should go away in a few years though, as manufacturers are starting to take linux more seriously and start making drivers for it.
Also, the benefits of linux (better security features, more efficient kernel, less crashes) might be less relevant to an average user who just uses his computer to browse the net, use photoshop and play some games. After all, in order to secure a linux system properly, you need to do some work. It doesn't come super secure out of the box. That is just an illusion many people have.
The only advantage for a normal user would be the cost and less viruses/malware. And disadvantages would be spending time to get used to a new system, spending countless hours trying to get things working properly, some of their favorite software not working.
And talking about malware, there is a very small risk of anyone who just follows a few simple rules of being harmed by malware or viruses. I have been using computers intensively since I could read, and I have never been harmed seriously by viruses/malware. No one ever got my email account or stole money from my bank or anything like that. And if they did, I never noticed.

So in short, there is just no need for most people to start using linux. I use both. When doing anything tech related like coding I use linux. Just because I am used to the tools and the environment and I can operate the linux tools quicker then equivalent windows tools. But if I want to play a game with some friends or do some graphics work or something casual like that I use windows. Never had a crash since I installed it.
So what I am saying is most tech people are obsessed with linux and GNU/FOSS stuff. Yes its cool. Yes its a better way to do things. Yes, its probably the future. But at the moment, for most average people its just easier and quicker to stick to windows/mac for some time until some things in the open source world change.

No need to act like a cult.
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 03:55:03 pm »
Hellooo! It's 2013, not 2001 -_- Linux dekstops is an everyday occurence now, just seen one guy on a bus with Ubuntu running on his laptop.


I wasn't talking about end users in general, I was talking about in big businesses

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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 06:26:42 pm »
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Another good example would be games. There are so many games that you just can't get working on linux. And companies wont port their best games to linux because the linux market is so tiny. Also, linux doesn't have decent drivers for many modern video cards. If you read through linux forums you will see countless threads about how people are having problems with getting video cards to work properly. Yes most of those problems have work-arounds, but for a simple guy who is not into tech stuff, even that simple problem might take a lot of time to solve. This problem should go away in a few years though, as manufacturers are starting to take linux more seriously and start making drivers for it.


This is my exact point namespace7, if a manufacturer of hardware (with money) combines A GNU/Linux OS with good hardware that is compatible and has 0 issues (like Apple does) and sells them as one unit - no problems will happen. For games, Steam is already ported to Linux! If someone pushes it, it will become much easier. And the average user doesn't need to learn the terminal or anything - they can make it "more friendly" easily. The only huge issue is time because if this does happen - the programs for Linux will increase.

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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 06:31:20 pm »
I understand what you are saying mithindrail.
But these kind of steps that need to be done for linux to become as big as windows take a lot of money and time. I didn't say it wont happen. I just think it wont happen soon.
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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 06:34:59 pm »
Yeah, it is so sad! I would have a nerdgasm if it did happen. Google is pushing Chromebooks (http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/) but it isn't what I am thinking. It is pretty much a  laptop with a browser and that's it.

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Re: What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2012, 08:18:39 pm »
I believe that right now all applications are not made on languages that require a VM..
As soon as the computing power increases, languages like Java will become more powerful and soon you won't need to port anything.
Cross platform Photoshop would mean that people need not buy windows to run Photoshop.

people not into gaming won't need to buy windows.
then slowly games will be made for it. I think unreal was made for Linux too.

we just need to wait for more cross platform functionality.
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Re: Q. What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2012, 01:40:13 pm »

I wasn't talking about end users in general, I was talking about in big businesses

Big business and goverment organisations also use various Linux distros desktop solutions. Here's an example: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/03/french-police-saves-millions-of-euros-by-adopting-ubuntu/
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Re: Q. What is stopping a company (Google) from fully marketing Linux?
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2012, 02:53:29 pm »
NSA also runs heavily modified versions of linux in many departments. Many factories run linux. I would say that linux is much more popular in embedded technology and big corporations then windows. I have never seen a robot running windows, but lots of them running linux kernel.
In short, linux is already strong in many places. However not in home operating systems. Most of linux users are still tech savvy people.
I do believe that eventually it will change. Eventually, open source software will be the ONLY software you can get. Most commercial software companies will die out. This will take a long time to happen, but in my opinion its inevitable.
Why? Because open source software keeps getting better. More open source projects are created, more contributors join them, open source software is catching up with commercial software.
For example, 5 years ago, there were no high quality 3D modeling/animation software. Now, Blender (open source 3d modeling/animation) has become so advanced and polished, that it can be compared to software packages that cost thousands of dollars. Same is happening with software like gimp (alternative to photoshop that can do almost the same stuff, though in different ways), apache (its even bigger now then microsoft server or any other commercial alternative), wordpress, libreoffice, eclipse, audacity and many many great open source projects.
This will not stop. More and more open source projects will catch up with commercial software and start to push them out of business. Its inevitable.

The only field where commercial software will not be replaced by open source software is content. By content I mean anything that has not only functions (like libreoffice), but also unique content like games. Game companies will still be in business, because people will want new content. New releases. New realms to explore.

Commercial game engines will eventually be replaced by open source game engines. DirectX will be extinct. Open source graphics libraries will rule. Its inevitable. Its only a matter of time.

Also, commercial technology books will be extinct. Free learning resources are getting better every second. Open source books are being written and improved all the time. Tutorials are being created. Eventually, all education info will be free. Its inevitable.

Its impossible to know when these things will happen, but sooner or later they will.
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