Am I the only one who doesnt give a damn about ethics?

[proxx]

Am I the only one who doesnt give a damn about ethics?

Hacking related or not hacking related.
"Its only wrong if you get caught"
(For the record I disaprove of physical abuse, racism or alike)

Any thoughts ?

[jonneburger]

hacking is breaking into or modifying something. you decide whats wrong and right. if you get gaucht then you have done harm to someone. but if you think you did right you probably did

[Killuminati]

Personally, I dont have a specific "code" of ethics, like you.  For the most part, when it comes to controversial decision making, if I feel like my actions can be justified, then it's all good.  I'm like you when it comes to racism and violence.  Violence in my eyes is almost never justified.  And the same goes for racism, however I feel there are exceptions.  When it comes to hacking/cracking, I can't speak too much on that yet, because I'm a long way away from having that kind of skill.

[geXXos]

(For the record I disaprove of physical abuse, racism or alike)

It looks like, you are an "ethical person", since you disapprove any physical abuse or racism.
I personally i may approve physical abuse and racism under some conditions, but i still consider my self an ethical person.


Sounds hypocritical and stupid isn't it ? i guess it is. What i mean is that everyone has his own views about what is ethical or moral. I do believe though, that we must follow some rules for the good of our society, so we can work and collaborate together for a better and safer living etc..




 

[Snayler]

Am I the only one who doesnt give a damn about ethics?

Hacking related or not hacking related.
"Its only wrong if you get caught"
(For the record I disaprove of physical abuse, racism or alike)

Any thoughts ?

Well, I can't say I've been completely ethical throughout my journey, but I try to keep my nose clean. As I've said on the "how did you start hacking" thread, I started with the intention to get free internet, but after a while of using my knowledge for that, I decided it wasn't ethical nor safe (talk about honeypots) and I started paying for my own internet. Now I feel safer, since I have more control over my network and I try to stay informed on new attack vectors. For example, I've disabled WPS on all my AP's, I've also disabled UPnP on some AP's (because of the recently discovered flaw on the UPnP protocol). Not that anyone would target me, but better safe than sorry.

Nowadays, I try to setup virtual environments in order to test the stuff I'm learning. It's a nice way to learn since you have more control over the "victim" and you can play with it at will.

As for the ethical/unethical debate, I strongly believe ethics are needed in a society. Else, it would be chaos, people robbing each other, killing without regret, et cetera...

@geXXos: I respect your opinion, but racism will never be approved by me, under any conditions. Out of curiosity, can you give me an example where racism would be approved by you?

[lucid]

If you don't want to be 'wronged'(in reference to hacking) make that happen for yourself. There doesn't seem to be much room in this world for 'good' and 'evil'. The only real wrongs I can think of off the top of my head are when you violate someone personally. Physical and emotional abuse are examples. There isn't much else imo. Stealing isn't always evil in my opinion either. If you steal someones sofa well too fucking bad. Screw your sofa to the floor. However, say the only way someone can survive is by growing their own food and you say, poison all of their food with pesticides and chemicals and then buy their land out from under them then create factories dedicated to packaging food that you stole and called your own then sell said food back to the person you stole from....

That is unethical and wrong in my opinion.

/offtopic

In relation to hacking and computers I also, do not give a damn. If you can break it, crack it, or otherwise exploit it then do it.

[proxx]

Good to hear some thoughts here.
And yes this topic was intended towards security/hacking.

I cant help but thinking that most (read all) are just some 1 and 0's.
As for real life I pretty much think the same way.

I cant see any advantage in destroying other peoples lifes nor does it make any sense.
Its probably not even so much that I actually care.
Neither am I giving my salary to other people who might need it more than I do.
We are all selfish in a way.

I only drive through red lights when im sure it wont cause trouble.
Not because I care.
Maybe some people do but not me.

When it comes to security I dont think differently.

[iTpHo3NiX]

I didn't feel like reading all of the posts in this thread, but I did want to say that I do have ethics, however its fucked up I'm sure.

For example,
I'm against stealing, however if something is overpriced, I have no problem stealing it. Also as far as rape, murder, child porn, etc. will be something that I will never agree with. When it comes to hacking, my morals go out the door depending on the target. I'm not the person to hack someone because I can, or just because it has a public vulnerability. If you ask anyone I'm a social engineer, not much programming knowledge (I can understand some C/++, firm understanding of Batch and VBS, but mostly just scripting languages), and d0xing. When I target someone it's personal. And at that point, I go for total destruction. If I get access to internet sites, I will spam, edit, etc. If I get access to a computer then say bye bye to all files with a secured deletion etc. idk it's hard to explain my ethics lol

[geXXos]

@geXXos: I respect your opinion, but racism will never be approved by me, under any conditions. Out of curiosity, can you give me an example where racism would be approved by you?

Well, i rationalize " racism under some conditions " when i.e. in my land comes another race that wants to change my belief system and traditions by imposing on me their own traditions, habits, religion etc.
In that case i feel insecure cause my racial identity and so the future of my nation/people is under attack and facing extinction, so under those circumstances i must defend my race so i am a "racist" in that case. Unfortunately the right to defend your race/nation/freedom is called "racism" today and is an evil thing for the globalization lovers and world markets. Anyway thats a big discus, i am not a human hater. Just my opinion.

[tylermurphy00]

I don't believe "it's only wrong if you get caught" applies, but that doesn't stop me from doing things I acknowledge to be wrong. Today for example, I was on a public wifi that was slow as cock because of all the people on it. So I logged into their router (still had the default pass lol) and changed the wifi key so only I could connect. Did I know that was "wrong" to some degree...yeah, would I want to be the victim if someone did that to me...no. So I can acknowledge what's "wrong", meaning I have some kind of ethics, like everyone else here.

With that said I have no problem breaking them if there are little/no consequences in doing so. I think most people are hypocritical when it comes to following rules; there are always double standards even for how you judge yourself vs others.