EvilZone
Community => News and Announcements => : Kulverstukas September 22, 2015, 07:53:12 AM
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As part of the leech reduction campaign which is part of a project evilzone_revival, we decided to limit board access to new members, which means some boards will be hidden for 0-20, and some for 20-50 posts. Especially the ebooks board, which will only be visible once a user hits 20 posts.
This is the current situation:
Hide boards for 0-19 posts:
Software and Tools
Software Exploitation and Vulnerabilities
Challenges
Evilzone Releases
Personal improvement
eBooks
Hide boards for 20-49 posts:
Software Exploitation and Vulnerabilities
Evilzone Releases
When hitting 50, all boards will be visible
What? this will increase shitposts you say? no it won't! because we moderate the boards pretty good and boards like random and member introductions don't count posts.
For now whole boards are hidden, in the future we hope to make a possibility to hide only thread content and still show thread listing. Also in the future we might be replacing post count with ratings (the like/unlike you see in threads).
That is all.
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I'm ahead of 50 and the VIP boards are invisible. Kulver, you liar!!
Anyway, pretty good step, IMO.
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Hmm I don't think that was a good move, at least not hiding the eBook board.
I have less than 20 posts and I'm here for a year and a few months now...the only reson for that is because I don't want to bother you with random stupid questions and I want to learn. And now you cut my only resource to learning. I'm not saying that I'm not gonna find that exact book on the internet somewhere, but here I get a brief review by the expert unlike on the internet.
I hope you will at least reconsider the eBook section.
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This might be a good move towards making this forum elite oriented board, however, for noobs willing to learn and when becoming solid at something posting and giving back, this ain't good at all. Yes Im talking about the eBooks section that I really like here yet I have 0 posts as Im fairly new. Another sad day :'(
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Try participating in discussions, then.
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Haters gonna hate. We have enough leechers, time for community involvement. We are not cutting off whole of the forum, so try participating in discussions, learn someshit, idk. Also it's just 20 posts.
And no, we are not elitists, if you want something - work for it. Information is still free, just give something back for it :)
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There are enough valuable non-tech related topics everyone can participate in without spamming random shit. It's quite easy to get above 20 posts this way and the effort involved won't hurt anybody.
I think this is a good step.
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There are enough valuable non-tech related topics everyone can participate in without spamming random shit. It's quite easy to get above 20 posts this way and the effort involved won't hurt anybody.
I think this is a good step.
"We've enough leechers..."
Like most people out here just for the ebooks section, I was pretty disappointed actually. I am a usually HQ poster (that being said, I actually have cut myself from my tiny little fanbase over the internet, and I never have been called a script kiddy, because I do not try to impress people with the humble knowledge of mine) and I was going to post only six-seven months later when the board exams would be over.
Regardless, I hope i am welcomed.
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Lol those who never post do now lol.
This is exactly what we need :P
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I ain't hating, just disappointed. I didn't know discussing stuff with someones would count as a post. Gonna try that. But my point is, it's ebooks fellas, why would anyone need to get involved in stuff he doesn't want to to read a damn book?
And no, we are not elitists, if you want something - work for it
Well, in the parallel world of the internet, you might consider delayed income, or even free stuff as free beer not as su*k my di*k to get a beer for free. I bet you didn't work a bit to get ahold of phrack articles or whatever teaching materials you began with ..
Ok so posting my miserable thoughts on topics I have nothing to add to is called community involvement. Go on community, get involved ..
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Ok so posting my miserable thoughts on topics I have nothing to add to is called community involvement. Go on community, get involved ..
If that's what you call it... but if you never have anything to add, then maybe you shouldn't be here at all? I'm sure you can find those books elsewhere, but meanwhile we'll keep it restrained for those who actually contribute instead of talking about it and demanding free stuff.
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I ain't hating, just disappointed. I didn't know discussing stuff with someones would count as a post. Gonna try that. But my point is, it's ebooks fellas, why would anyone need to get involved in stuff he doesn't want to to read a damn book?
Well, in the parallel world of the internet, you might consider delayed income, or even free stuff as free beer not as su*k my di*k to get a beer for free. I bet you didn't work a bit to get ahold of phrack articles or whatever teaching materials you began with ..
Ok so posting my miserable thoughts on topics I have nothing to add to is called community involvement. Go on community, get involved ..
As the moderator of the ebook board, I would like to point out that providing ebooks the way we provide them is hard work. I need to clean shit useless crap contributions like "thank you" there, approve
books, generate the ebook index, not to mention the work people do to get hold of the books you download.
This means that we, moderators, users and other individuals, provide worthwhile content for a price nothing. We do it for free, and will continue to do so. Leechers are basically exploiting our blood, sweat and tears. They are like a locust swarm on the fields of our work, if that continues, it is the end. So we want something back. Not money, not blowjobs, but 20 posts. Some more or less worthwhile contribution. An insanely small amount of it. Is it so much to ask? Now, if you disagree, feel free to point out why we should provide something so great for even less. Or just suck my dick, not sure which.
PS: the Machine Head references are on purpose.
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I ain't hating, just disappointed. I didn't know discussing stuff with someones would count as a post. Gonna try that. But my point is, it's ebooks fellas, why would anyone need to get involved in stuff he doesn't want to to read a damn book?
Well, in the parallel world of the internet, you might consider delayed income, or even free stuff as free beer not as su*k my di*k to get a beer for free. I bet you didn't work a bit to get ahold of phrack articles or whatever teaching materials you began with ..
Ok so posting my miserable thoughts on topics I have nothing to add to is called community involvement. Go on community, get involved ..
Everything should be subject to question.
But you must understand that this is a well considered change to help to community as a whole.
You see our core member base is relatively small , the leech vs seed ratio is just off the scale.
Giving others a little extra motivation to get involved makes them get involved and greatly increase the chance of becoming a community member.
https://evilzone.org/members-introduction/community-is-a-living-organisms-contribute-to-it/
Then there is this gem :
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At EvilZone, new accounts are created daily, however it is much more rare to welcome a new member in to the community.
A community is a living organism, and just like any other living thing it can grow, evolve, adapt, reproduce or even die. An account is just an entry in the database. It can be used as a tool through which a member can act in the community, or it can just exist and be forgoten eventually turning into a dead cell of the organism. A member is a part of a community: like a cell, a tissue, or even an organ to an animal. Without cells or organs an animal can not be alive. In the same way, without members a community is not alive - without members it is just a mix of code, text and graphics.
Do not become a dead cell - an account without any personality, actions or any signs of life. Be a member. A member that contributes to the rest of the organism. A member that is healthy, active, and beneficial in relation to the community. This will lead to growth and positive evolution.
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There are many ways in which anyone can contribute. Anyone, including you.
Have you learned or discovered something interesting? Tell the community about it. Do you have a question about something specific? Ask and hence provide an oportunity for others to share their knowledge with you and other members of the community who will read the thread you have started. Found a good eBook online or somewhere deep in your hard drive? Share it. Someone else might find it usefull. Noticed an area of the community that could be improved or evolved into a new dimention? Give the feedback. Did you just come up with an insane idea for a project but need others to help you materialize it? Just say so. Do you enjoy crafting countless lines of code? Write a usefull piece of code for everyone to use or learn from.
As you can see it is very easy to come up with random examples of ways in which you can contribute and be an active member. It should be obvious and self explanitory.
I encourage you to come out of the spectators' area and enter in to the ring of participators. However, never forget that quality is more important than quantity. In an organism, some cells might be corrupt (virus infected cells). They will multiply and cause harm to the organism, and unless healed or removed from the organism, they will make it sick or might even kill it. Do everything you can to not become a corrupt cell.
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edit: Damn I was outposted :P
Edit2: can we like have that shit somewhere on the main page.
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Seems like people who contribute to the forum are down with the changes and people who haven't even created an into are coming out of the woodwork to complain.
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzche2MDM21qzpsuoo1_500.png)
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Lol those who never post do now lol.
This is exactly what we need [emoji14]
It seems to work, already [emoji2] Spotted one member who has been registered since last year but had only one post where he requested ebook. But today he has made 7 new posts, I wonder why the sudden enthusiasm.[emoji14]
Definetly great renovation imo.
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@gray-fox: Just hope they won't return to being a leecher after getting 20 posts - maybe they'll discover that it's way more fun to be an actual member than just a leeching ghost. :)
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If that's what you call it... but if you never have anything to add, then maybe you shouldn't be here at all?
Ok, let me explain in other words, if someone has nothing to add, does that makes him unwanted? What if he does not have some thing useful now, but will give back once he learns. hmm as u said he shouldn't be here at all. Nice.
I'm sure you can find those books elsewhere
So why in hell u restrain them? I tend to get here because it's more like a catalog where security related books are grouped.
As the moderator of the ebook board, I would like to point out that providing ebooks the way we provide them is hard work. I need to clean shit useless crap contributions like "thank you" there, approve
books, generate the ebook index, not to mention the work people do to get hold of the books you download.
This means that we, moderators, users and other individuals, provide worthwhile content for a price nothing. We do it for free, and will continue to do so. Leechers are basically exploiting our blood, sweat and tears. They are like a locust swarm on the fields of our work. So we want something back. Not money, not
blowjobs, but 20 posts. Some more or less worthwhile contribution. An insanely small amount of it. Is it so much to ask? Now, if you disagree, feel free to point out why we should provide something so great for even
less. Or just suck my dick, not sure which.
Well I never said that eBooks in here are easy to post or are like everywhere else (as Kulverstukas ironically stated), in fact, this is the best source of itsec ebooks I found in the internet! And thats what made me wonder: such nice resources should be whether completely free, or require some "worthwhile" contribution. Yes something worthwhile that's really not as you stated it. So if I semi-spam with answers to javascript questions I get access to them? dammn what a bloody contribution. Yes thats the problem, that's so small. Like your .... I'll skip that part where you perform your role as a moderator and provoke users.
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I perfectly agree with the fact that community needs contribution. What I tried to discuss with the previous hipsters is if people needs to contribute to get eBooks. And what if they need eBooks to contribute? Ahh the wise mamboo said they shouldn't be here after all. I see.
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No I don't want to introduce myself. I'm no one. I should get sociable to get knowledge? What an exciting internet we have nowadays..
Private tools, exploits, 0days.. that's how it should be. Private eBooks?! ok.
Embrace the community involvement and commitment. soo much quality posts coming out.
Cheers to another board getting too cocky to stay cool.
(And these useless grumbles of mine are counted as posts? This IS broken)
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Wrong, due to moderation, shit is cleaned out and won't give you access to the ebook board. From your other statements, I conclude that you
1. don't value our contribution, otherwise you wouldn't be so whiny about it,
2. obviously can't distinguish who provoked whom.
And yes, someone who does not contribute should not be here, see the articles quoted and posts above.
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It is kinda funny i had a suggestion i wanted to post to this, for a specific reason and now considering some of the whining im not sure that i should. While i decide if i will proceed with that suggestion i first want to address the crying bitches in this topic.
This is a hacking and security forum. It is NOT some skiddy playground. This is the realm of the hacker, the kind of person who when hits a wall figures out how to go through, or around it. A MINOR and i mean MINOR wall gets imposed and your response is "gee i dont know how i could POSSIBLY come up with 20 posts before i continue being a leaching skiddy. ill go cry about it instead." It is pathetic, and you wont get sympathy from ANY of the contributors here.
I suppose i shouldnt take out my anger at the few morons in this thread at the rest of the potentially useful members so i will go ahead and give my suggestion.
For each section/sub section we should compile a (small) list of books for each that we find highly useful that can still be "free leached" for those just finding the forum and that maybe want to learn something, it will still keep the majority of the library away from pure leachers, but give true beginners a nice starting point. basically im thinking roughly 3 books per section to give some variety for each language subsection as well as some more general networking/hardware etc books to be provided in a stickied topic in each section for those just starting out.
Anyway @staff/vip -I havent said anything on this topic before now, because i had nothing to contribute, i like(ed) the idea(s) going on behind closed doors and had no viewpoint aside from "yes" to provide, hence why this is my first time speaking on it. Lets get some life in this mofo.
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To interject my thoughts,
This came about with another issue as well, DCMA. These books can be found elsewhere however you get served no ads and direct download links and an upload service. You can contribute random thoughts and interesting finds on the web, you can ask Programming and Hacking questions, you can interact with the community. Just having an account to download books then complaining about it is retarded. Those of us look, find, and post, then those that moderate the eBook board. There are so many ways to contribute to get involved. If you don't like it, you can go to other eBook resources to get your fix. We're all about free knowledge and content, but with this we get activity, no DCMA, and several other benefits.
This site has been around for years and will continue to be. It's a great place to be and hope that you see that.
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LOL, I sure fucked myself on that one didn't I?
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LOL, I sure fucked myself on that one didn't I?
Kinda sure you did, close shot though, I bet everything was set for those new rules to come, they just waited you to delete your posts :D
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brilliant, kulverstukas! idea should have been inplemented long ago. that'll keep those blood suckin leeches out.
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Very good idea. This will definitely increase posting and prevent leeching. I joined in August of 2014, but this is my first post, apparently your idea works. :)
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A good idea indeed, I hope this makes it possible for users to become more active on the forum, personally I'll do my best to stick to the topics I know and if I get stuck somewhere, I will ask for help :)
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Ok, you got me. I love the ebook section and i think it's worth a lot more than 20 posts. I can live with it.
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I totally agree with this idea, especially since I'm lazy and most of the time I need a whip or a carrot on a stick to make me do something when I can always postpone it for later (which turns really fast into never).
Also, imo, there is nothing wrong with being elitist, as long as it's on a non-jerk scale. This term has a bad rep because of all the idiots using it to be rude to other people, but you can still demand quality or meeting certain criteria from your users / members etc. while remaining newbie friendly.
Since the ebooks section is probably the most popular and sought after, I think it's only logical to restrict access to it, and 20 posts is almost nothing compared to the gain of being able to instantly download all those books, without going to shady shortened URLs or navigating through dozens of ads on a hundred different sites.
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Well after reading all of this I see that I was wrong and stand corrected.
I surely won't be leeching from now on.
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Creative idea. Hopefully more HQ posts on the way from members. :)
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Why the ebooks are missing for new members? What is the point in this. When i am not experienced i read books to learn new things. I am not posting because I do not know new stuff to share.
And This idea sucks. Hacking is about open source and free flow of information. And yes I can start writing posts about basic Nmap scanning or SQL Injection or other stuff that the internet is fond of, for gaining more post points, but I believe it will be better to leave your private forum for your private knowledge! Its better to start giving my money to the authors that wrote these books.
Staff Note: Don't double post
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Is it just me or does something feel wrong when people join to a forum and feel shocked when they are suppose to post something there.
I guess I have always been wrong when I thought that was kind of the idea.
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am I whining bitch and require free shit
Read this thread from the top and if you still don't like it, then gtfo.
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I can certainly understand the principle of why some of your are complaining about the requirement, and I don't think anyone here is disagreeing with the notion of a right to free information and knowledge. The thing is, that information is still free, and quite readily available after an extremely minor contribution back to the community that's providing that free information.
...I can start writing posts about basic Nmap scanning or SQL Injection or other stuff that the internet is fond of...
Then why not do this? You want to provide content? That's great! Do it. That would be the ideal outcome of the restrictions.
I know this is just reiteration of what's already been said in the thread, but so are the complaints. lol
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Honestly, I'm new, and I feel that the board restrictions are perfectly fine, I hope to contribute something useful myself eventually.
Why whine, why not just post, Be new, this is the internet everything anyone says or does is wrong no matter how right you are.
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
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I would like to say I'm fairly happy with it, new people are coming out that have had an account for a while and I hope more come out of there shells too. The ebooks still exist and they are still free with one of the most reliable hosts on the net. If you're hear to read, you shouldn't have any trouble contributing. You've been here for a year reading books, post some interesting things you've learned or are in the process of learning. We'd love to hear it!
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For the record I think this is a brilliant idea. I was j/k with my above comment. I am thinking that if I asked nice enough I would be given access back, but that is not the point or a concern. I am all for this.
And This idea sucks. Hacking is about open source and free flow of information. And yes I can start writing posts about basic Nmap scanning or SQL Injection or other stuff that the internet is fond of, for gaining more post points, but I believe it will be better to leave your private forum for your private knowledge! Its better to start giving my money to the authors that wrote these books.
So you would rather spend 10-20k on books than contribute a measly 20-50 posts? I am trying to hard to be nice to everyone but your logic is sadly illogical.
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I would like to say I'm fairly happy with it, new people are coming out that have had an account for a while and I hope more come out of there shells too. The ebooks still exist and they are still free with one of the most reliable hosts on the net. If you're hear to read, you shouldn't have any trouble contributing. You've been here for a year reading books, post some interesting things you've learned or are in the process of learning. We'd love to hear it!
Exactly what I wanted to say, the books are still free, nothing has changed there.
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It is a good idea, but know I need to get 20 posts too:(
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Hi guys. im new around here and was looking all over the board for threads containing the hack tools, software, scripts ect, because i have lots to contribute in that section. So I started reading through the difirent thread sections and luckily stumbled accross this post. To be honest, I was quite confussed. But after reading through most of the replies to this post, I realise that the admins make some pretty valid points. Although i cant access any of the threads and stuff that im looking for yet, I know that its a means of seperating the wheat from the chaff. Which, imo makes this board pretty unique.
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Well, time to get more serious as a contributor and stop leeching I suppose :P Though I need to start thinking about the answer to 'what am I really doing here?". Soul searching time!
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Sounds Fair. Been awhile i visited the community. But nice changes.
Is it just me or does something feel wrong when people join to a forum and feel shocked when they are suppose to post something there.
I guess I have always been wrong when I thought that was kind of the idea.
Fairly hard for alot of people to make the first move. Always the question "what do i contribute". Altho giving them a barrier now will drag people out atleast.
Staff Note: Do not double post, please use the Edit or Modify button(s). Thank you
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Evilzone has a nice ebook library, I used to browse the section quite frequently. But the point is even if I download the latest ebooks, I never find the time to read. I've hundreds of ebooks (mainly technical) that I want to finish but never really get there.
Reading books is one thing, but in my opinion the best way to test that your knowledge on a particular topic is to create something practical and share it with the community. The feedback whether it's positive / negative criticism, new ideas, suggestions, etc. is something that a book will never teach you.
I actually like the step taken by Evilzone in limiting the ebook section based on post count but I think more steps should be taken to actually make this community evolve.
For example, there could be a dedicated group on irc consisting of people who want to learn some specific topic. I've always wanted to learn more about shellcoding and some of the more advanced exploit development techniques and I think as a group it's easier to learn than on your own watching videos or reading books. Also there's a sense of competition, something that is good in my opinion and accelerates the drive to learn.
I'm still new to this community, so I hardly know what goes on outside this forum. Feel free to enlighten me if such stuff do exist.
Thanks
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So that's where the books went.
Guess I better stop being anti social then.
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creative way for increase memebers activity ;)
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I think this is a great idea. Its the light at the end of the tunnel. Without a real motive, most people would use this site as a source for quick info for a hobby, while a true hacker is here to learn and contribute. 'Cause truly, 20 posts is nothing if this is something you want and a community you want to be a part of. I am new to this community and so far, very excited to know that this site, not only very informative and truly focuses on hacking, has secretes and has a bunch of stones to flip over and bunch of secret passage ways, persay, the deeper you dive in. Cant wait to uncover more secrets. AND MARK MY WORD, I WILL FIND OUT WHAT 34C IS.
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Didn't like the idea at first, but after actually looking at the boards being blocked I think it is a good idea. People should actually post a bit if they want to have full access to things such as the ebooks and this way people will hopefully become more active. Those complaining about having to do maybe a couple hours work total to gain full access shouldn't be on here. Learning takes time and effort after all, and I think a bit of work is worth access to thousands of dollars worth of information.
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Hello. I'm Brother,... and I'm a leech.... :-) [step 1]
I totally agree. I joined earlier this year and mainly just for the ebooks section. Like a lot of people have stated, everyone likes free stuff. I was a little taken back for the first few sections, but having experience with volunteer organizations, I totally understand how much hard work it can be to set things up, and keep it running. If people want to reap the benefits they should be part of the cause. Thanks to all of the guys/gals that keep this board running. This is my second official post, and I'm working towards earning the prizes at the end of the rainbow. 8)
This has actually caused me to look at some of the other sections that I haven't been in before. Lot's of good information on here. I look forward to engaging and learning more.
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Ah, so thats why those boards are gone. I thought you, for whatever reason, removed it. Personally I feel like this was unnecessary. You aren't going to have meaningful discussion if 98.5% of the people here are,"noobs/new to this" and have little to no useful stuff to talk about. Then you get borderline shitposts everywhere.
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Ah, so thats why those boards are gone. I thought you, for whatever reason, removed it. Personally I feel like this was unnecessary. You aren't going to have meaningful discussion if 98.5% of the people here are,"noobs/new to this" and have little to no useful stuff to talk about. Then you get borderline shitposts everywhere.
Not quite. They wants books, and we want quality posts. All/most shitposts get removed and they must post quality stuff to get the books.
It's been discussed and answered in the last 3 pages... read up.
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Ah, so thats why those boards are gone. I thought you, for whatever reason, removed it. Personally I feel like this was unnecessary. You aren't going to have meaningful discussion if 98.5% of the people here are,"noobs/new to this" and have little to no useful stuff to talk about. Then you get borderline shitposts everywhere.
That staff is quick to remove... Also certain boards don't count towards your post count. So go ahead and try and spam, see how fast you get your posts deleted and end up on the moderator watch list :-P
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That staff is quick to remove... Also certain boards don't count towards your post count. So go ahead and try and spam, see how fast you get your posts deleted and end up on the moderator watch list :-P
When I say shit posts, I don't mean spam, I mean posts that lack any substance at all.
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When I say shit posts, I don't mean spam, I mean posts that lack any substance at all.
Shit posts are spam
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Shit posts are spam
Yeah I guess
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Then you get borderline shitposts everywhere.
That's what you are doing
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That's what you are doing
(http://www.ixdaily.com/images/user/damn_right.jpg)
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I thought I was going crazy for a second not seeing the ebooks section anymore, Feel like im back in the old BBS days now PCR in effect :P that's cool I guess get people posting instead of just signing up and leeching
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Is it just me or does something feel wrong when people join to a forum and feel shocked when they are suppose to post something there.
I guess I have always been wrong when I thought that was kind of the idea.
My guess is that most people are like me, they second guess and under-estimate how much they know or can provide, so they don't talk. Maybe its a fear of rejection by the forum members, or that the admins will get angry or something. I don't know. In any case, any lurker here should take this as a sign to share what you know with the forum, and if you can't learn something you can share.
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My guess is that most people are like me, they second guess and under-estimate how much they know or can provide, so they don't talk. Maybe its a fear of rejection by the forum members, or that the admins will get angry or something. I don't know. In any case, any lurker here should take this as a sign to share what you know with the forum, and if you can't learn something you can share.
Well that is why places like the beginner corner exists, meant to be a 'safe place' to ask all the stupid questions you please. Just try to check up on any existing topics first so you dont create the 100th topic on the same subject.
And no one ever has a problem with someone whose legitimately just trying to learn and can show effort in doing so.
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^^ This
The problem with most questions that are considered stupid is that they follow a pretty similar pattern, it goes something like this:
[Exclamation] [Subject]
As an example:
HELP! I want to hack facebook.
or
WTF! I can't hack into my router
These could vary in order and go something like this:
MY BF IS CHEATING ON ME I NEED TO HACK HIS FACEBOOK C'MON GUYS PLEASE HELP ME
There are a couple of variations to this but I think that makes my point, whereas an actual question follows a much different template
[Problem]
[Background]
[Things I have tried]
[Where I am stuck]
If someone follows the second template, I have no problem with pointing them in the right direction. It doesn't feel like they want me to complete the task at hand for them and I can see they have spent a considerable amount of time on the topic at hand.
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[Problem]
[Background]
[Things I have tried]
[Where I am stuck]
Should totally do a post template in the beginners corner with this.
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Template installed. Thanks.
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Awesome thanks :)
Hopefully this will increase the overall quality of the questions posted in the section.
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Awesome thanks :)
Hopefully this will increase the overall quality of the questions posted in the section.
i thought i posted what i had typed earlier, evidently i closed the tab by accident without hitting post...oops. Anyway TY for the contribution, couldnt agree more. Glad to see its now a template, and its also why you cookies jumped by 5 today from me. You have been posting great stuff, really diving into the community. It is appreciated.
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i thought i posted what i had typed earlier, evidently i closed the tab by accident without hitting post...oops. Anyway TY for the contribution, couldnt agree more. Glad to see its now a template, and its also why you cookies jumped by 5 today from me. You have been posting great stuff, really diving into the community. It is appreciated.
Thanks :)
As a general rule of thumb I believe the main thing that pulls a community together, or destroys it, is the members themselves. I'm really hoping to contribute more though, I have a bit of free time coming up next month and will be working on a project in C# to launch early next year. So who knows, maybe I can learn from the community here, maybe they can learn from me. In either event, the main focus for me is learning.
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totally unfair . Please don't do that move :'(
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totally unfair . Please don't do that move :'(
Is already been done, and that way for a while
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I respect the decision. I did enjoy the resource, and I must confess as well that I typically didn't want to ask some question that might seem inane, so my low post count is primarily due to this.
I work a lot during the day in a non-tech area, so I have less time to hone my hobbyist skills, but do try and stay current. I am writing some interesting network scanning python scripts and making progress. I wish there were more hours in the day.
In any event, I will put my best efforts toward being more active in threads and contribute anything I feel could be useful!! :)
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I should probably start posting better content. Most of my shit has nothing to do with hacking or security at all. Sorry about that. I love this community, and I hate being part of the problem. :-\
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Sweet mother of christmas there are a lot of leeches. Maybe you should remove users if they don't post or comment frequently enough.
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Sweet mother of christmas there are a lot of leeches. Maybe you should remove users if they don't post or comment frequently enough.
No. That does not seem that fair. They should just have to get a number of posts past a certain amount. Also they maybe should have to be approved. Though I have not seen you much white_noise, so your a leecher in my eyes. So maybe you should get removed. ??? [size=78%] [/size]
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Sweet mother of christmas there are a lot of leeches. Maybe you should remove users if they don't post or comment frequently enough.
Uhh,
some people don't post unless they have something helpful,
interesting,
or useful to say....
Which means for some people they won't post often unless there is a perfect aligning of the planets....
You should actually learn from them considering all your posts that really aren't helpful or asked for. :/
But you are kind of right,
there are a lot of leechers.
Though I have not seen you much white_noise, so your a leecher in my eyes. So maybe you should get removed. ??? [size=78%] [/size]
I agree with truecam.
If you're going to propose such worthless ideas I think you should be held to the same standard.
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Uhh,
some people don't post unless they have something helpful,
interesting,
or useful to say....
Which means for some people they won't post often unless there is a perfect aligning of the planets....
You should actually learn from them considering all your posts that really aren't helpful or asked for. :/
I'm also new on the forum and I only post when I have something to add on that specific topic. I'm a regular visitor and read a lot of topics, but I don't have the need to spam the forum with irrational remarks.
I can be irrational in the boards that allow this, but in the other boards I shut up and speak when I may be be able to add something interesting or ask something.
Please, don't see this post as "he wants to say something" ;)
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It's a good idea to encourage people to make good posts before they get access to the books.
I've had fun posting so far.
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Maybe accounts should be review before they are given access to certain boards. Maybe they should have to pass a harder test to create an account. There are many options you guys can take, but system is not okay in the state it is now. I do not feel like this community will survive if we allow quantity to take over quality. So in short, What action is going to be taken?
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Maybe accounts should be review before they are given access to certain boards. Maybe they should have to pass a harder test to create an account. There are many options you guys can take, but system is not okay in the state it is now. I do not feel like this community will survive if we allow quantity to take over quality. So in short, What action is going to be taken?
No drastic action needs to be taken.
Poor or random posts are dealt with or not counted.
The karma system is good.
The test is suitable for all skill levels.
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No drastic action needs to be taken.
Poor or random posts are dealt with or not counted.
The karma system is good.
The test is suitable for all skill levels.
Not really. There is a large amount of new intros. There is a lot of dead user accounts. There is a lot of shit posts. Not drastic measure. Just measures against the watering down of the community. It does not make sense for a website to say they value quality over quantity if we have a good deal of lechers and shit posters more so than actual good content. I refuse to accept your standards greycat.
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I agree with GreyCat... we're not leaving shitposts to float, we are still moderating the forum and shitposts didn't increase since the time we did this.
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I think the quality is pretty good. It s a no nonsese moderating system. I mean. If you ask something you can google, this will be said. The more 'difficult' things are discussed. For me, this is the only forum I like to follow. It may be bullshit or bad quality for you, but I already learned a lot with just reading the topics.
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I think the quality is pretty good. It s a no nonsese moderating system. I mean. If you ask something you can google, this will be said. The more 'difficult' things are discussed. For me, this is the only forum I like to follow. It may be bullshit or bad quality for you, but I already learned a lot with just reading the topics.
I enjoy this forum to, but I just do not see the quality getting any better.
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I enjoy this forum to, but I just do not see the quality getting any better.
And where's your quality? Hrm I can't seem to find any...
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And where's your quality? Hrm I can't seem to find any...
I see your point, but it does not disprove mine at all. Maybe I am not the right messenger, because I have 0 reputation here, but I just had to get something off my chest. Regardless of my faggotry, my point still stands.
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//Here is my two cents on the issue:
truecam is right. Even is he isn't the biggest info contributer, he still is someone who frequents the forum, and has been doing so for a while. He opinion is no less valid than mine, or anyone else's. (Well, anyone being people who don't just solely come here to leech and fucking shitpost. Those who at least spend some time on the forum or IRC and genuinely cares about Evilzone. truecam obviously cares about Evilzone, which is why he's pointing it out.)
Evilzone is pretty much filled with worthless or outdated posts, although there are some posts that really shine through, those are few and far between. Of course, being less a contributer and more a leecher myself means I have no room to talk, but at least I try not to litter the forum with worthless threads and shitposts. I think Evilzone does indeed need more quality-control.
If you don't know, I'm not as active on the forum (mainly because everything in my unreads are not interesting or I have nothing to say on them) but I spend my every living second (kind of an exaggeration, but pretty close to home) of my life on the IRC. I've seen the idiots who come in the #register channel and attempt to find the code, with no ability to read or observe something new for them. Personally, when I registered on EZ, the topic of #register did not say anything about the !help command. Even now that it does, I still see the occasional (not even occasional, by now it's a pretty prominent thing) half-brained fool that jumps in the channel and immediately starts either spamming someone with PMs or just asks straight up in the channel "how get register code"...with the grammatical prowess of a 5 year old.
One example of what happened earlier today:
<creed> !help
<register-bot> You are probably looking for the !code command ;)
<creed> lol
<puddi> come on
<puddi> you're close
<creed> this is harder than i imagined
<puddi> yup
<puddi> plenty of newbies struggle
<creed> oo ok
<puddi> so what do we do now
<creed> just tryen to figure it out
This isn't an isolated incident, either...this happens all the fucking time. The sad story is that eventually the idiot does manage to get the code. Every time. This isn't quality control, it's just sending an idiot into the IRC (which, if they happen to speak in the main channel, I will end up greeting...and they never leave...). I need to be meaner, apparently.
<anton> !help
<register-bot> You are probably looking for the !code command ;)
<anton> !code
<anton> !code smth
<anton> !help
<register-bot> You are probably looking for the !code command ;)
<anton> !help code
<register-bot> You are probably looking for the !code command ;)
<anton> !code help
Sometimes it's not even THAT!! Holy fucking shit, just now:
<brant> * Youngboss (~rough_coi@3BF13127.3C97B6C.702FCAB3.IP) has joined
<Insanity> brant, don't be a fag
<brant> +w
<brant> /MOTD
<Insanity> Yup, I see, you're gonna be a fag. Damnit.
The stupidity makes me want to literally die. Not figuratively, literally. What happens to these idiots? Yeah, they get heckled, sure, but what matters is that they still make it into a position where they could become a gigantic nuisance. Once it was so bad to the point where Xires actually set the topic to: So you want to register eh? | Try !help | If you ask others for the code you will be banned!! | THIS IS A TEST TO DETERMINE YOUR ABILITY TO EDUCATE YOURSELF ON THE SIMPLEST OF TASKS! IF YOU CANNOT PASS FOR YOURSELF, YOU DON'T BELONG HERE!
I remember that day. Once the idiot who enraged Xires figured out how to get the code, that same idiot decided to help his many other idiot-lings on getting the code....which should be in clear violation of the rules...
"If you ask others for the code you will be banned!!". I do not see that rule being enforced. I think in the whole time I've been on the IRC, I've seen one banned (in #register), and it wasn't even for asking people for the code. I think it was also at the same time MrJ was feeding his idiot-lings the code, but it's been a while and I can't remember well. Idiots usually come into #register, ask for the code, and having no repercussions they continue onwards with their idiotic tendencies. All I know is that Evilzone is not exactly doing well in what they purport.... "Quality/Quantity" is not something that has been accomplished in Evilzone. It's not impossible, either, there could definitely be some sort of quality-control. They could hash the code, give a little registration test, just...anything......please........
Plus, I'm not the only one who thinks this, clearly evident by not only truecam but the many others who I've seen talk about thier disgust for Evilzone's lack of an ability to weed out those with an IQ under 70.
I think the quality is pretty good. It s a no nonsese moderating system. I mean. If you ask something you can google, this will be said. The more 'difficult' things are discussed. For me, this is the only forum I like to follow. It may be bullshit or bad quality for you, but I already learned a lot with just reading the topics.
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Hmmrmm, sorry about that, but...just...what the fuck is wrong with you?
Do you not know what quality means?
"It s a no nonsese moderating system"....uhuh...yeah...
https://evilzone.org/c-c/looking-to-learn-c/?topicseen
^ Retarded thread. Obvious reasons.
https://evilzone.org/hacking-and-security/password-security/?topicseen
^ Retarded thread. Obvious reasons.
https://evilzone.org/found-it-on-the-webs/security-conference-videos/?topicseen
^ Retarded thread. (For anyone who already has done their research....which is not many....)
https://evilzone.org/hacking-newbies/ping-of-death-works-or-not/?topicseen
^ Retarded thread. Person doesn't even know what he's talking about. (This one is a little harsh, I'll admit it.)
I could go on...and these are only threads in my unreads. (I check my unreads pretty much daily) The problem here is that a lot of the volume of EZ are these threads and posts. If you take them away, EZ will pretty much be left with a very minuscule amount of content.
If you think that the threads you see on EZ is difficult, then by all means continue to learn and grow here. Just don't hold the whole fucking forum back because you can't understand the difference between good quality and bad quality posts/threads.
No drastic action needs to be taken.
Poor or random posts are dealt with or not counted.
The karma system is good.
The test is suitable for all skill levels.
I think unless your head has been in the sand since you joined, you should know that drastic actions are being taken. We're "moving" to IPS.......
(I put that in quotes because the due date has passed, and I'm not sure whether EZ is going to just give up on the whole project. That would be dispicable, seeing how much time and effort people like iTpHo3NiX and DarkVision spent on going through the mirror, and how Xires and Kulverstukas have spent so much money on it....which are only a couple things that would have gone to waste)
"Poor or random posts are dealt with or not counted." that isn't true at all. Take a look at your own post count, for instance. And, in case you need more prodding to understand, check out my reply to dimi.
I agree that the karma system is fine, that was never a problem nor was it presented as such. The karma system is not meant to signify someone who is smart or anything, it's just meant to signify how much people like you. You can be a genius with great posts, but hated with a low cookie count. Or, you could be the most retarded person to walk the Earth with a high cookie count. Cookies are not meant to be taken into consideration when you think about the validity of someone's posts or the such. Not sure why you brought them up, they did nothing to further your point or anyone else's.
"The test is suitable for all skill levels."
The problem is that....THERE IS NO FUCKING TEST!!! Holy fucking shit, and what skill level are we trying to reach?! The ability to type: "!help" then read, then type: "!code" again?!? Holy fuck nut, you must be the most retarded person to walk planet Earth if you think that, THAT system is enough to keep out people who are completely worthless. It's ridiculous. You don't understand. You don't hang around all day watching all these stupid people getting the code, knowing in your heart that later that day there will be 5+ retarded shitposts or threads in your unreads....for each person....people who spam the damned boards on philosophical threads or on threads that are made up solely of what your favourite song or whatever is....just to hit the 20 post count. I find it very aggravating, and so meh.
/* I'm out of anger now, so yeah, I'll go back to my corner of brewing hatred. This all may seem like me being an asshole or just bitching, but if Evilzone continues being a cesspool of nonsense then eventually people will get tired of it's bullshit. :/ */
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Not that I have anything to say as I'm pretty new around but the issue of inactivity might lie at IRC. I see a lot of activity on IRC as opposed to the forum. Maybe we should do a chatbox in here and see how that goes.
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Not that I have anything to say as I'm pretty new around but the issue of inactivity might lie at IRC. I see a lot of activity on IRC as opposed to the forum. Maybe we should do a chatbox in here and see how that goes.
No
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And where's your quality? Hrm I can't seem to find any...
OOOOHOHOOOOO
Anyway, as someone who leaves this forum on almost all day and reads every single post, but just doesnt post much, I see absolutely no problem with the way EvilZone runs. The activity level and quality is actually really nice compared to other security forums I have been a part of. Bullcrap is dealt with quickly, the IRC remains as an active social unit, and good tutorials and posts stay where they should be. All in all, 7.5/10 for forum crunchies (needs more titties). And if users have to earn their salt by participating? I think that's great. It really doesn't take that long to ask some questions, respond to feedback, and try out some of the readily available tutorials.
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You're right! A lot of members have acces to a lot of stuff
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I think this system of making people have 20 posts to get access to special boards is a poor way to manage the community. Yes, I understand that the logic behind it was that only contributing members of the community would be able to make it to such a post count and get access to the boards, but I think there is a flaw in this logic.
Let's say you are a new member and you don't really care about EvilZone(leech). How will you reach those 20 posts to get access to the ebooks board? You will make low quality posts. Now, they may not be low quality enough to warrant deletion, but in 9/10 cases it will be some stupid shitty non-contribution to the discussion that is just barely good enough to not get deleted--probably just a hair above the incredibly low standards that already exist. Rinse, repeat, do that 20 times on whatever thread you can manage to slip a post in, and voila! You have your 20 posts and now have access to the ebooks.
This mindset clearly needs to be eradicated, and there are two trivial ways to fix this method. One way is to make the process of joining the forum more rigorous. Doesn't have to be some intense Cicada 3301 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301)shit, but just something more, maybe something like Insanity mentioned, where you hash the registration code or have a two-step registration process. Another way to fix it is to increase the strictness of the moderation. By raising the bar it would hence make it harder for floaters to come in and do the bare minimum. I think the heavier moderation idea sounds shitty as it requires more effort and more forum nazism, which ruins the fun for everyone, but I also think that the former option isn't powerful enough on it's own.
By having a mixture, where there is a more rigorous application process and a stronger community initiative to make sure that only competent individuals complete registration and that the forums aren't filled with shit posts whose only purpose serves to increase post count, the quality of EvilZone would improve as a whole. I don't see it as requiring much effort; simply have a step-up of difficulty in registration and implement a simple method to eradicate nonsense on the forums and in IRC--like actually banning people that break rules that threaten to ban people that break them(like helping other users register).
So yeah. I am writing this late at night so this is probably shit and I will probably regret this as i recognize that I am not some ultra notorious member of EvilZone, but who cares, take from it what you will. Too many people are complaining that there is an issue, but I don't see a ton of solutions being offered, so here's one at least.
Good luck fuckers.
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Honestly given my way I would simply make the eBooks board invite only. I would also not allow half the shit that gets posted here but whenever I delete some bullshit I get met with bullshit so I'm like fuck this bullshit
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I didnt join the forum for the ebooks. They are nice but eventually you will find a particular ebook in the internet when you want it. I joined it because i want to learn things. Because i know nothing i dont contribute much. But what i do is appreciate all your efforts for this site. I know it costs you guys money and it is your project besides your everyday stuff. Anyhow. If things change, i would definitely do my best to get in the evilzone again. I'm often astonished by the intelligence of some (very few) of the guys and girls who put their energy in this site. I think you dont realize how smart you are. This said, the beginners questions may seem very easy for you. The problem is the smart ones play in the first league and the beginners in amateur league. Everyone had to learn once.
I think that a small test to get in may shift the leechers, so zombie is right. But it also may not.. But when you never try, you will never know. I think you guys are smart enough to find a solution.
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We have a solution and have had a solution, it's just not implemented. In any case this thread is for information, not a debate or an idea board. If you have ideas post them in the feedback board.
Also most of you are failing to realize that leechers are not the only reason the eBooks have been hidden. This choice was also decided because of DCMA. It protects the staff, as well as the host. If auto crawlers from copyright trolls can't find the content, then it can't be reported. Hosts will only put up with so much crap before terminating your services with them.
Now I'm sick of this thread showing up in my unread posts for no reason
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