130 children killed in my city today. Should religion be banned?

[HTH]

What the fuck am I reading.

"bad people following warped ideology kill people, they say religion make them, we ban religion."

Bad people will be bad no matter if you give them a book that they can blame it on or not. And frankly people seem to forget the amount of good religion does. The amount of comfort it provides people when practiced properly. Banning religion won't do jack shit. If i wanna shoot some kids im fucked up no matter what book i pray to.

Can religion SWAY some people who are weak of heart/mind, yeah for sure it can, but so can millions of other things. I get that 140+ people dieing is a tragedy... but it's a relatively small one.

You care so much, enlist and go fight the jackasses face to face, I promise you that even if we all say "no more religion" there will still people shooting at ya/each other.


And claiming islam is a peaceful religion is about as accurate as claiming that christianity doesnt contain discrimination.

[elgo441]

For an answer on :

First Quote:

24:2 Strike the adulteress and the adulterer one hundred times. Do not let compassion for them keep you from carrying out God’s law—if you believe in God and the Last Day—and ensure that a group of believers witnesses the punishment. (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Quran, New York: Oxford UP, 2004)

try checking for the conditions required to run this punishments

Second Quote:

5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)

Prophet Mohamed said

“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand."

for full explanation : http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/articles/136791/the-ruling-of-theft-in-islam

Third quote:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)  The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries.  In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). 

They was forced to relocate from mecca and when they was able to go back they fought with them and when the won and entered the city and all the Meccans who fought with them was taken hostages prophet mohamed set them free.

And finally ,PsychoRebellious what really cought my eye of your nonsense

Do you know about the arrogance and ignorance of Mohammad's companion omer who went to library Alexandria on Rome ivasion and torched it down because Quran wasn't there.

because if you make a simple google search you would have find who really burned the library.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Destruction

lease stop your lies or at least check them first cause honestly i can't keep up ...

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Code: [Select]

Politics and organized religion,
I cant help but despise;
For it is better to believe in nothing,
Than the worlds riddled lies.
-0E800

[elgo441]

Then at least we agreed to disagree

[z3ro]

Okay.

Simple thought experiment:

First: Imagine a world without any religion at all. None. Yeah. People would still be killing each other but compared to now, the world would BE BETTER.

Second: Imagine a world where EVERYONE is completely religious. Every person following their own beliefs and fully believing scriptures to be the word of their respective Gods. We're fucked.


I'd rather live in the first world. But yeah, its neva gonna happen. 

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Related:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion

[proxx]

VS I believe or not, back on topic or lock.
This is another out of control religion topic.

[shadowwolf]

Okay.

Simple thought experiment:

First: Imagine a world without any religion at all. None. Yeah. People would still be killing each other but compared to now, the world would BE BETTER.

Second: Imagine a world where EVERYONE is completely religious. Every person following their own beliefs and fully believing scriptures to be the word of their respective Gods. We're fucked.


I'd rather live in the first world. But yeah, its neva gonna happen. 

Again I ask those posting to look at what happened between 60ad and the 1990s. Yes religion has been used to justify and cause horrific events, but when things go to shit all people have to turn to for hope is religion. We need to find a balance between the two insane extremes you said or there will be even more death and destruction than there is now. The weak minded will go insane and start destroying stuff or become depressed as all hell. Some people have to have something to believe in.

So I still think that religion should not be outlawed.

Related:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion

I've always thought of Buddhism as being: shit happens because you believe that the shit around you is real shit so to stop the shit you have to give up all your shit so that you'll have no shit when you die and you're able to be shitless forever and never have to worry about emotions and shit again.

[z3ro]

Interesting read:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear

[Kage]

Man this topic is soo long -.- I read most of it but damn.

.....
Religious extremists and Atheists are one and the same.
Just my 2c.
i'm out.

So I kind of consider myself an Atheist. However what you said is actually offensive lol.
e.g. 'Religious extremists' and 'Atheists'. Not all atheists are extremists bro. Kindly refer to extreme atheists as 'Atheist Extremists' or something, because That, is bullshit.


Besides that banning religion won't do shit and it's a silly idea. As said before it's just as silly as stuff like the war on drugs. What Is Not silly however is taking away all of their power.
American presidents basically have to be or pretend to be religious. This is BS.
Religions sometimes get support from the government, in the form of less taxes or simply money. This is also BS.
I'm sure you can imagine other things where religion gets an 'unfair' advantage.


Imho religion is basically The Best long con ever.
Congrats to the conmen that invented it.

[d4rkcat]

So I kind of consider myself an Atheist. However what you said is actually offensive lol.
e.g. 'Religious extremists' and 'Atheists'. Not all atheists are extremists bro. Kindly refer to extreme atheists as 'Atheist Extremists' or something, because That, is bullshit.

Hey sorry I offended you bro, I should have explained in which way they are exactly the same:

They both believe something which they have no possible way of knowing.

People often get the terms atheist and agnostic mixed up.

[shadowwolf]

Hey sorry I offended you bro, I should have explained in which way they are exactly the same:

They both believe something which they have no possible way of knowing.

People often get the terms atheist and agnostic mixed up.

It's the same with all religions; none of them have proof that their God(s) is/are real. Of course their is also no proof that said gods don't exist: that's why I stay neutral.

[d4rkcat]

It's the same with all religions; none of them have proof that their God(s) is/are real. Of course their is also no proof that said gods don't exist: that's why I stay neutral.

I don't think you got my point, because you are repeating exactly what i said.
Read carefully to avoid looking silly.
That makes you an Agnostic, which means you await evidence before making a decision.
Me too, not much in this world are black and white, more often, grey.

[z3ro]

Skeptics should not have the burden of proof. Proving a negative is pointless here.

I believe in unicorns. They are REAL! You don't believe me? Prove they don't exist. 

no one can conclusively prove the existence of a God, unicorns or giant flying teapots orbiting our galaxy. BUT we choose to live our lives as if unicorns don't exist.

For me, that's true for all Gods (and they are sooooo many).

That's why, I AM AN ATHEIST but I accept that i can't conclusively deny the existence or prove the inexistence of God.

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[d4rkcat]

Yeah i've heard all that crap before, it's an extremely common convenient argument for Atheists, but it doesn't mean shit to me and if you think about it it means nothing.
The fact remains you believe something just as imaginary as a flying teapot in the sky or a unicorn.
You think you know something you have no way of knowing, so do religious people.

That is all.