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Offline Teapot

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Re: physics
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2015, 04:21:53 pm »
 
I'm mainly interested in quantum and astrophysics but I am trying to learn a bit about as many different fields as I can.
WOW!!!! no one has mentioned Michio Kaku?
Check out some of his works he has written several books and has a podcast

Also, I've always found electormagnetism to be the most beautiful of the great theories. It's so elegant in its formulation.
If your interested in Electromagnetism then you should check out Micheal Faraday's equations.

Have fun OP =) i have been spending my time learning about computers lately but physics (mainly the funky shit like wormholes)
has always had a special place in my heart and mind.

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Re: physics
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2015, 01:29:58 am »
Okay if you are seriously considering learning about physics, disregard most posts before this one.
If all you do is watch Kakku videos and "soft" tutorials, you'll never learn a single thing. Posts like "Check out the Maxwell Equations" are also useless- you aren't going to know what they even mean if you haven't had a course in differential equations.


Kaku has written books but there are two levels:
 1. Bullshit books about "The future of the mind", the possibilities of parallel worlds, and many others that don't contain a single equation - you won't learn anything
 2. Very technical books designed for graduate students. I've seen his book on QFT but I don't have first hand experience with any others. These books are designed for masters and phd students. Without a couple of 500 level math and physics courses these books are moot.


The best way to go about self teaching physics is by modifying a university's program. Most colleges require you to take general chemistry I and II, physics I, II, III (equates to netowinan mechanics, optics, electricity and magnetism, and modern physics) along with calc I II II, differential equations and linear algebra I II (equivilent to a lower division and upper division).


The reason why you NEED these pre reqs is because all of modern physics is essential built off of them. An example is quantum mechanics. First, you need to know how to use physics to model a vibrating string. Then you need the math to formulate it into an equation. It turns out the governing equation is a PDE (partial differential equation) which can be broken into two linearly independent ODEs (ordinary differential equations). The schrodinger equation is derived from various cases of the solution to the PDE. The solution method is to recognize that the two ODEs representing the PDE are linear - and there exists a solution method for these types which you learn in your ODE class.


Once you master the general requirements, students typically take theoretical physics (essentially a math modeling class) before moving onto higher up classes, like the ones you wish to know about.






My ultimate recommendation is to go find a university whether its Stanford, MIT, or your local CC and check out the course path. From that course path, determine where you are and which classes you need to take. Then go find the course web pages and find out which book they use for the curse-you can even email the course instructor for this. Then buy the book-a hard copy- and start at chapter 1. Repeat.

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Re: physics
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2015, 08:16:08 am »
Okay if you are seriously considering learning about physics, disregard most posts before this one.
If all you do is watch Kakku videos and "soft" tutorials, you'll never learn a single thing. Posts like "Check out the Maxwell Equations" are also useless- you aren't going to know what they even mean if you haven't had a course in differential equations.

If he isnt into physics, and asking about it on a hacking forum, chances are he either A knows the required math, or B can figure out what math he needs to know.

Also you act like this is impossible to pick up without a university...if that were true then hackers wouldnt exist. We are perfectly capable(and i extend this implication to OP) of learning on our own, without a "course guide" or a teacher nagging us. In other words we arnt some hung-over dipshit who doesnt even want to be in the class.

Just as important, if not more so, most and i mean 95%(if not more) of course syllabus's BLOW. Go read up on the whole culture of how these college books are "decided" on. (tl;dr -politics) If you understood taht you would understand that most of these books either have shit information or are written horribly. A GREAT case in point would be the cisco approved/distributed CCNA books. It's not till the 4th book/semester that they explain stuff that they were talking about in semester ONE, that you were TESTED ON. Hence why we are recommending authors that lay out the work in a smart manner. Which is what the OP was asking for.
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Re: physics
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2015, 10:27:40 pm »
@Teapot: thanks I'll check them out

@Darkvision: I just ordered a textbook and I have been teaching myself the required math as I go. I hate how politics interfere with learning, our school system is fucked up.
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Re: physics
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 06:24:11 am »
Here is a wonderful pdf on physics. It is by my favorite physicist.
It's called The Feynman Lectures On Physics.

http://selfdefinition.org/science/25-greatest-science-books-of-all-time/20.%20Feynman%20et%20al.%20-%20The%20Feynman%20Lectures%20on%20Physics%20Volumes%201%20-%203%20%281963%29.pdf

I also attached my grade eleven physics textbook for you. I couldn't find where I downloaded it last week. You might be able to find the grade twelve text too if you look.  ;D

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Re: physics
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2015, 12:12:45 am »
Xhibit is right that you need the prerequisites before learning advanced stuff. Especially for something line quantum physics, which is very mathematical. Most of quantum is impossible to visualise, as the functions involved contain complex components.

I do agree with Darkvision that the hacker spirit will set you apart from most of the morons that are only there to party. When I was at uni most of the learning was done solo. Although you don't get to play with expensive lasers and shit in your bedroom. The great thing though is being around people with the same passion and also having professional physicists to ask questions of. Oh and there's lasers :D

With regards to the syllabus. For most physics areas, there is a general consensus on what's taught. Pick up any classical mechanics or electromagnetism book, and the material is presented roughly the same way. QM is a bit different, but there are still great books.

The important thing is building a foundation of solid math and and basic physics. Im talking about gaining an intuition about things, not just knowing the answer. Do you know that e^ix = cosx + isinx without looking it up, and can you show it? Can you picture what the equation is saying? Do you know why there is a cosine in the formula for work done? Maybe not the best examples, but you get the idea. It's an infinite jigsaw, and the more you learn about different areas, the more it will all fit together.

If you want to get into some cool stuff that doesn't require advanced math, once you've learned sone Newtonian mechanics, basic special relativity is not that mathematical, although it can be conceptually boggling to start with.

Tl;Dr there's lasers!

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Re: physics
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2015, 02:55:55 am »
Ah... Typical physics fag, it's called GOOGLE :P
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Re: physics
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2015, 03:59:39 am »
Ah... Typical physics fag, it's called GOOGLE :P
I'm still attempting to figure out what this means. Who or what is this GOOGLE you speak of? Also what does "fag" mean or stand for? I'm pretty sure fag is not a word but is it an acronym for something? What is "it"? Please revise your sad excuse of a sentence fragment in order to properly get your meaning across.

Back on topic, school is finally out for me so I now have free time. I have been practicing the mathmatics in order to keep those skills fresh but I have not had time for much else for the past month due to how much work I had in shool. Now that it is summer I plan on continuing to to teach myself physics as well as beginning independent study in chemistry.
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Re: physics
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2015, 06:37:26 pm »
prof david griffiths has written some nice textbook for undergraduate physics such as introduction to quantum mechanics, introduction to electromagnetism and introduction to particle physics
the famous physicist richard feynman has also written some lecture notes on physics called feynman's lectures which may be found on caltech's website
also i have bunch of physics textbooks which u can download here:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9q125elxbgyl9aw/physics.rar

PS: im a undergraduate physics student

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Re: physics
« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2015, 01:49:30 am »
You could always go and get it here if you interested in checking it out: http://nitroflare.com/view/F72365D43E13453/0321696867_University.rar

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Re: physics
« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2015, 03:39:01 pm »
for Young and Freedman, i have this pdf. don't know if ithis version is outdated but it is one hell of a book. Enjoy!

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Re: physics
« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2015, 04:24:19 am »
From my experience, it's not enough to just pick out some books you need to work through the exercises to actually understand anything so whatever you grab to learn physics be it a book, ppt slides from a class or video lectures whatever, you need to work through the stuff. It requires a lot of time. This of course assumes you're actually interested in learning physics.

I got my undergraduate degree in physics so I've read or skimmed many books and from my experiences some good ones to check out would be:

Introductory: Serway and Jewett it's your standard calc-based physics book covering pretty much everything from intro mechanics, to e&m, thermo, optics, waves and modern physics. Basically what you'd need for the first 3-4 semesters of physics. You could really get any of a number of books, they've tons of different kinds. Edition doesn't matter either, the intro physics hasn't changed in a long time.

Modern Physics: Thornton and rex very good intro to modern physics, pretty much the standard for courses of it's kind. This is generally used for 4th semester physics at many colleges, not an easy in you'll want to be solid and the earlier intro physics and calculus before moving into this.

Electromagnetism: Purcell is a very good book for learning the math and concepts it's geared towards the introductory e&m course (semester 2 at most colleges) but for places like MIT or Berkeley (in fact it's the Berkley physics course iirc it was created alongside several other volumes for their physics courses).

You'll also want to read Griffiths it's basically the defacto standard textbook for upper level EM courses, I imagine you'd be hard pressed to find many colleges that don't require or at least reference this book in their course syllabus. You'll want a solid background in math and physics before this. And not just calculus but differential equations, and basically most of what gets covered in a standard Mathematical Physics course. It starts out with an Math intro chapter to help you get up to speed on what you should know.

Mathematical Physics: Boas is what I'd recommend, it's another widely cited book I used it myself for my coursework and it's very good. Though be careful where you buy it from, I ended up with a weird bootleg copy that just screams copyright infringement and 3rd world county.

Quantum Physics: I'm a big fan of Shankar's book really good, really well explained treatment on the subject it's what was used in my own course and really worth the time going through thoroughly. Covers way more than the 1 semester upper level QM course but if you get through this you'll definitely be well versed in physics.

That would be enough to keep anyone busy at least a few months to years, some parting remarks. I haven't gone through all the previous posts but if no one has mentioned the Feynman Lectures on Physics they're definitely worth a read, very thorough treatment of the concepts covered in the intro courses. The audio from his lectures are also out there if you feel like hunting them down.

Also all the books I've mentioned so far are out on the internet somewhere for download, so you don't have to buy anything and I really wouldn't recommend buying unless you know you're going to go through with learning physics and you want to have a copy. Also libraries are a great resource especially if you're already in college as I imagine it's difficult getting textbooks from a local library (obviously depending on where you live).

There are also plenty of pop science physics books out there, which are always a mixed bag in my opinion, they're enjoyable enough to read but at the end of them you really won't have a solid grasp of any physics. However I will recommend checking out A Short History of Nearly Everything, by Bill Byrson really nice book covers a wide range of topics from physics to chemistry, to astronomy and just all kinds of stuff not just the science but the people behind it who sometimes lived really interesting lives. Just an enjoyable read.

And to reiterate, not just to the OP (who may have long since moved on from here) but anyone else that finds this and actually reads all that crap I wrote. The main way to learn physics (really anything) is to do it, just reading isn't enough to fully understand the math, the equations the concepts you have to delve deep into it and not by finding other peoples solutions and following along or trying it out after looking at what others do, it's the process of not really knowing what you're doing to figuring it out that really makes it stick. Though that's just my opinion, do as you like.