Extraterrestrial LIFE?

[namespace7]

it can exist, but the possibility of it existing is pretty small. To travel one light year, you would need to travel at a speed of light for one year. Light travels at 300000 kilometers per second so in one year it would travel around 10 TRILLION kilometers. Now that is just one light year. Knowing that solid matter can not travel at the speed of light (because at a speed of light matter needs to have so much energy that subatomic bonding forces could not keep the subatomic particles together, meaning that at such energy levels you just cant have solid matter, you can only have matter in form of light or similar energy). The closest planet system to ours is about 4.2 light years away. The furthest that we have seen is 13 BILLION light years away. Big range isn't it? So alien planet might be anywhere between that range. Or even further as we don't know the exact size of the universe. Having these numbers in mind, we know that it would be pretty much impossible to travel to an alien planet unless many generations would live in a spacecraft that would travel for thousands and thousands and thousands of years at speeds as close to speed of light as possible without disintegrating the solid matter into energy similar to light.
So I guess investing billions in start and universe research is pretty much pointless at this stage in human history. I think it would be much more beneficial to the human race to invest all those billions that governments invest in space research into something more essential and important for this current age.
Just my opinion.

[p_2001]

it can exist, but the possibility of it existing is pretty small. To travel one light year, you would need to travel at a speed of light for one year. Light travels at 300000 kilometers per second so in one year it would travel around 10 TRILLION kilometers. Now that is just one light year. Knowing that solid matter can not travel at the speed of light (because at a speed of light matter needs to have so much energy that subatomic bonding forces could not keep the subatomic particles together, meaning that at such energy levels you just cant have solid matter, you can only have matter in form of light or similar energy). The closest planet system to ours is about 4.2 light years away. The furthest that we have seen is 13 BILLION light years away. Big range isn't it? So alien planet might be anywhere between that range. Or even further as we don't know the exact size of the universe. Having these numbers in mind, we know that it would be pretty much impossible to travel to an alien planet unless many generations would live in a spacecraft that would travel for thousands and thousands and thousands of years at speeds as close to speed of light as possible without disintegrating the solid matter into energy similar to light.
So I guess investing billions in start and universe research is pretty much pointless at this stage in human history. I think it would be much more beneficial to the human race to invest all those billions that governments invest in space research into something more essential and important for this current age.
Just my opinion.

ah.. Yes.. einstein's argument.. You forget that as of now the quantum theory is not perfect.
there exists a wormhole theory..

[namespace7]

yes... there exist many theories.
But looking at the history of science, we can instantly see that countless theories that looked very nice were dismissed. Many were also proved.

So what does this mean? It means that just because something is possible does not make it relevant to us at the moment, until the time those things have enough solid proof.

In other words, its kind of risky to change the way we act or decide by assuming that one of many proposed theories is true.

But then thats just how I see it. I might be completely wrong. Or right.
Nothing is certain.

[zocuten]

Just because we can't figure out how to travel faster than light doesn't mean it can't be done. Alcubierre is just one example of how one might be able to do so without even moving at all. 150 years ago we didn't even have airplanes so 150 years from now who knows what will be possible.

[namespace7]

you are right. But then if we think in that way, anything is a possibility. Every theory has that X.
And hence all of them are possible, even if they sound crazy. Now because all of them have that possibility of being true, that X, we can cross it out, or in other words, remove that common denominator. This makes all the theories just that, theories.

I could say its possible that our universe is the ultimate simulation. I could say that matrix is true. And theoretically, it very well might be. But the possibility of such theory being true is so small, that taking it for fact is very foolish. In the same way taking time travel or travel at a speed of light as true is also foolish. Statistically, the possibility of travel at a speed of light is just as big in an infinite eternal universe as a possibility of an omnipotent and intelligent individual god existing.

So what I am really trying to say is that lets not mix proven facts/laws and theories

[z3ro]

I could say its possible that our universe is the ultimate simulation. I could say that matrix is true. And theoretically, it very well might be.

Science works this way: Someone says something.. that something stands true.. until or unless proven wrong and discarded...

Like someone showed up claiming the earth was flat, his statement was right... until proven wrong!
That's it dude.. 

Up to now.. i've seen the most crazy theories which are sometimes controversial such as time travel, heat death (paradox), multi universes, multi-dimensions, wormholes, matrix universe, dark matter, dark energy, Ekpyrotic Universe, string theory,...

The list is by no way exhastive... even the quantum world seemed bullshit      

so...

[namespace7]

Science works this way: Someone says something.. that something stands true.. until or unless proven wrong and discarded...

Like someone showed up claiming the earth was flat, his statement was right... until proven wrong!
That's it dude.. 

Really?

OK. Fine..
I say God created the universe and is an individual who wants everyone to worship Him.
According to your above statements, this is true until proven wrong. OK. Now go start praying and worshiping god every day. It is true after all, now isn't it?

Do you see what I mean?

[z3ro]

Of course.. the 'person' saying the statement should also be taken into consideration...

[Snayler]

Of course.. the 'person' saying the statement should also be taken into consideration...

I've seen people saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.

[namespace7]

I've seen people saying saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.

+1
Exactly.

[z3ro]

I've seen people saying saying stupid stuff with such conviction it sounded true. Sometimes, even taking the person into consideration can go wrong. Best advice, use your brain, question everything, do not conform with anything.

Yeaahh.. you're damn Right! 

[frog]

I agree with Snayler, however there is more direct research regarding the subject that can be done. There is an abundance of information regarding the strong possibility of alien and ancient TERRESTRIAL(human/non-human) existence possibly 65 million years or more ago before/currently on this planet.

I sit quietly and watch some of you give yourself undeserved pats on the back when you don't really know shit(and neither do I regarding the subject of our origins, aliens, time travel, etc). The truth is we're all in the same boat.

Regarding the large picture we don't know much at all about our origins. You can say all kinds of bullshit about monkeys, evolution, or some other useless shit but you're just not ever going to prove anything.

Give me a Delta T antenna, or make me a bismuth crystal array and then make it work using the correct methodology and mankind will be changed forever. We need tangible evidence; yes these things are fun to learn about but that doesn't make them true.

Always take a good look at the big picture every once and awhile and do your best to make an educated guess regarding these types of things. Keep an open mind. It will make you look like less of an asshole.

I'm sure you're curious to my official stance; I do believe in certain things very strongly(remember these are my opinions):

DISCLAIMER: I will not go too in depth with these things, as I have no desire for you to believe in these things as strongly as I do. I do want some of you to look into these things with an open mind and for fun. You deserve to think about the other possibilities every once and awhile. So do yourself solid on this one.

We are not the oldest species on this planet. Think Atlantis, all of the ancient civilizations we know existed, and the proof of their existence; and the fact we know more or less but not much about these ancient people.

Now think about the history of the Earth.

It was not created a few thousand years ago. It has taken a very long time to get where it is and will continue to evolve and adapt(earthquakes volcanoes, etc) to the surrounding Universe as it always has. Imagine at one point the earth might not have been a place where single-celled organisms could exist.

I believe we were helped in an evolutionary sense. We had some great pushes a long the way to get to this point. It's almost as if at one point humans like us existed in a more advanced way than we do now and they might have all just died, who knows? Think about the Matrix and the underground city of Zion(which is almost always referred to as 'Earth' and regarded as a home). If we didn't have help in some sense we would probably be underground still trying to figure out how to make fire. That's generally how I feel about it.

Again, the big picture is important.

I've read a lot about people that swear up and down about their interactions with different alien species. I believe it's entirely possible and very likely this is the case. Who the fuck would waste over 20 years of their life compiling books about aliens, their technology, and their classification? The Matrix volumes by Valdamar Valerian is such a strange series.

I'm convinced we were a genetic mod of an existing species on this planet(think cavemen/homo erectus but then modded to be better; more coherent; able to be given instructions and possibly controlled). Read the book of enki(best possible translation of the ancient Sumerian tablets regarding what we call Genesis in the bible).

Don't hate; participate

[namespace7]

nice write up frog.

Anything is possible I guess. Anything. And you are right, we ain't gonna prove any of those huge theories for a long time to come. We are just a small blue dot in the vast universe. If we combine the whole understanding and knowledge of the entire human kind we would not even have one millionth of the all knowledge and understanding in the universe(s). There might be another planet with life. There might be a hundred planets with life. There might be a billion planets with life. The universe is so big, that we, humans, can only assume.

I like this famous picture:



And that is only 6 billion kilometers away from earth. The spacecraft hasn't even left the solar system yet. And this website shows how everything relates to us in size:

http://scaleofuniverse.com/

Just zoom to the lowest level until you see how small a string or phlank is. Then start zooming out.

Humbling.

[frog]

Thank you sir. I like that scale of the universe link; that's cool as shit. I think about how everything is measured in powers of 10; this sparked some info in my brain about how the great pyramids were built on such a scale that everything is divisible by PI.

Science calls this the 'golden ratio' and these dimensions are even used by architects today because of the elegance in form and mathematics. It's actually used everywhere all over the world; especially in ancient symbols and structures like the Parthenon in ancient Rome.

I really do believe ONE of the keys to a lot of these mysteries lies in the belief systems of the ancient civilizations and all that history that got lost along the way. I mean look at all the crazy shit they made up(ancient Egyptian polytheism, Greek Mythology, Sumerian polytheism, even Hinduism is old as fuck).

It's like they did their best to interpret something that was going on at the time and it was so significant that they almost had no choice but to incorporate it into daily life. As humans we like to rationalize EVERYTHING; but there are mentions of gods and visitors from the stars in almost all of these stories.

Look at the bible; it is broken history referenced from multiple sources from different time periods. The book of Enki is tangible evidence to support this. Genesis, The Great Flood; it's all there. There's much more to these stories, but this is why it's important to keep an open mind and learn as much as possible.

Mainstream religion is dangerous in the regard that it's a way to control people and the way that they think. According to most religions, empathy is a required in a sense that we don't just go around killing people and acting with haste. We should have that same regard when it comes to searching for the truth.

We've been lied to for so long that 'the only new things are those which have been forgotten' -The Orion Conspiracy

[rasenove]

Scientists think there were life on marse becaus  it has landscapes that look like large dryed river.  The probe named Sperit Found ice and some sorte of scult few inches under the growne. Now nasa has sent curiosity the new probe for finding Et on marse. They did found bacterias in astroies tho.

What i think is there are trillions of planets that havent been looked at so we cant just say there are  ETs out there. we just have to let time answer this question.