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All because of some zealots religious fanatics. I'm ashamed to admit that I was raised in the same religion, I left it behind long ago. Poll question: Do you think religion should be banned? Or practicing it should be banned? No offense to Christians, muslims or Jews, hindus here. Just a thought.
6 men dressed as military men rushed in a school and opened fire. This kid was my friend's cousin. Poor soul. I can only imagine the torments his family must be going through
https://www.facebook.com/mubeen.shah28?fref=ts
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Its not the flock of sheep that is the issue here, its the shepherd.
If anything, weak minded people that cannot think for themselves should be banned.
(http://middleagedmormonman.com/home//wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Wold-sheep.jpg)
Romans 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.
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Its not the flock of sheep that is the issue here, its the shepherd.
If anything, weak minded people that cannot think for themselves should be banned.
(http://middleagedmormonman.com/home//wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Wold-sheep.jpg)
Romans 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s.
Exactly my thought. From how you eat to which hole you fuck your wife in and which hand you use to wipe your ass, religion interferes in all these matters. If one needs god's guidance to realize that raping a 6 year old is wrong then maybe , maybe it's not god that he needs but common sense
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Banning religion would throw us 100 years into the future.
Money is next on the list.
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This is crazy ignorant.
Your logic is as follows:
crazy person/people who interpret religion x in x way did something crazy, therefore ban all religions.
Its just fear making you think in such an illogical way.
Do you happen to know how many religious people DIDN'T commit atrocities today?
It's far too easy to focus on the negative and start a fear-frenzy chain reaction witch hunt.
This aside, this is an awful incident and my condolences to the families of the victims.
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This is crazy ignorant.
Your logic is as follows:
crazy person/people who interpret religion x in x way did something crazy, therefore ban all religions.
Its just fear making you think in such an illogical way.
Do you happen to know how many religious people DIDN'T commit atrocities today?
It's far too easy to focus on the negative and start a fear-frenzy chain reaction witch hunt.
This aside, this is an awful incident and my condolences to the families of the victims.
They didn't commit those atrocities because they weren't zealots of their respective religion and there's a reason they call themselves 'statue of misdeeds' and sinful. Let us take for example the Muslims of the world who want to be like their prophet Mohammad who according to them and their ultimately wise deity is the most righteous of all men.
Do they know that mohammad forcefully married a woman(Safiya) after killing her husband, brother, and father the same evening or that he married a 6 year old(aisha) and consummated her.
Do the christians know how many philosophers and great minds their ancestors have killed and torched and hanged on crosses for having a non-biblical view of the universe which hampered the progress of astronomy for a long time?
Do the hindus know that their ancestors would torch their women down all alive with their male family representatives? I'm afraid I can't think of one such religion the doctrine and scripture of which doesn't promote fanaticism and the roots of which doesn't reside in bigotry, sexism and sadism and if theirs is the right god then indeed mankind's battle is against him, we better prepare an army or a hulk
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OK, i'm going to assume you are very upset and I will leave it at that.
You cannot possibly know what every religious person knows or doesn't know, it is irrelevant.
Live and let live.
If it doesn't affect your life, then don't try to impose your will on other people.
Or you are just as bad as all these evil religious people coming to convert everyone to the "dark side".
Religious extremists and Atheists are one and the same.
Just my 2c.
i'm out.
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OK, i'm going to assume you are very upset and I will leave it at that.
You cannot possibly know what every religious person knows or doesn't know, it is irrelevant.
Live and let live.
If it doesn't affect your life, then don't try to impose your will on other people.
Or you are just as bad as all these evil religious people coming to convert everyone to the "dark side".
Religious extremists and Atheists are one and the same.
Just my 2c.
i'm out.
I wonder if having hundred and twenty little children of my family being massacred is counted as affecting my life :)
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OK, i'm going to assume you are very upset and I will leave it at that.
You cannot possibly know what every religious person knows or doesn't know, it is irrelevant.
Live and let live.
If it doesn't affect your life, then don't try to impose your will on other people.
Or you are just as bad as all these evil religious people coming to convert everyone to the "dark side".
Religious extremists and Atheists are one and the same.
Just my 2c.
i'm out.
First, while not all religions are problematic there are enough big ones that if you believe in the wrong thing or have the wrong sexual orientation you can, depending on where you live, be put in jail or even killed. Big religions do affect the lives of everyone. If it wasn't for Christianity most people wouldn't give a shit about sexual orientation.
Also, most religions constantly try to impose their will on others. If it wasn't for the amount of death, destruction, and hate religion has spawned most atheists would probably be ok with it.
We don't have to ban all religion, we just have to kill off the extremists and get rid of the most hateful religions.
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The moment people stop following ancient 'law' codes is the moment we advance to the next golden age.
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Note: I sympathize with you OP, and I hope you and your family/community are doing well in this time of mourning. Please forgive anybody here who may post something off-putting and offensive.
So we are posting on a board that embraces the "hacker philosophy", freedom of information, and personal liberty, yet some of you guys want to ban religion? So tomorrow religion is made illegal... now what? You can't stop it. It'd be about as effective as saying "going over the speed limit is banned". You can't control what people do when they are alone, and (I know this wasn't in the US, but...) every time something bad happens in the US, like sandy hook, the boston bombing, or 911, there is a firm knee-jerk reaction to pass laws to "ban" whatever was done. Often actually making it through due to media hype and controversial TV-titled bullshit advertising and a lack of the checks and balances being used to their full potential.
Think 911, what happened when the american people wanted terrorism banned? The war on terror. And how the fuck has that worked for us? Terribly.
You can't ban religion because of its negative impact, you can't ban religion because of its ambiguity, and you can't ban religion because it infringes on the most basic of human rights. It allows legality and bureaucracy to invade the minds of its citizens, the sunday mornings and times of meditation of its citizens, as well as the personal liberties of its citizens even more than already legally allowed. (cough gay marriage, prohibition of drugs, excessive taxation... cough)
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Note: I sympathize with you OP, and I hope you and your family/community are doing well in this time of mourning. Please forgive anybody here who may post something off-putting and offensive.
So we are posting on a board that embraces the "hacker philosophy", freedom of information, and personal liberty, yet some of you guys want to ban religion? So tomorrow religion is made illegal... now what? You can't stop it. It'd be about as effective as saying "going over the speed limit is banned". You can't control what people do when they are alone, and (I know this wasn't in the US, but...) every time something bad happens in the US, like sandy hook, the boston bombing, or 911, there is a firm knee-jerk reaction to pass laws to "ban" whatever was done. Often actually making it through due to media hype and controversial TV-titled bullshit advertising and a lack of the checks and balances being used to their full potential.
Think 911, what happened when the american people wanted terrorism banned? The war on terror. And how the fuck has that worked for us? Terribly.
You can't ban religion because of its negative impact, you can't ban religion because of its ambiguity, and you can't ban religion because it infringes on the most basic of human rights. It allows legality and bureaucracy to invade the minds of its citizens, the sunday mornings and times of meditation of its citizens, as well as the personal liberties of its citizens even more than already legally allowed. (cough gay marriage, prohibition of drugs, excessive taxation... cough)
Nukes and bullets can solve almost any problem, if enough force is applied and you're ok with genocide being an option.
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Note: I sympathize with you OP, and I hope you and your family/community are doing well in this time of mourning. Please forgive anybody here who may post something off-putting and offensive.
You can't ban religion because of its negative impact, you can't ban religion because of its ambiguity, and you can't ban religion because it infringes on the most basic of human rights. It allows legality and bureaucracy to invade the minds of its citizens, the sunday mornings and times of meditation of its citizens, as well as the personal liberties of its citizens even more than already legally allowed. (cough gay marriage, prohibition of drugs, excessive taxation... cough)
Perhaps the word 'ban' is one of a negative kind, I agree.
And please don't throw in the 911 shit again, sigh.
Leaving behind religion and embrace the future would open doors we could have never even dream about.
Banning would be the wrong term for its negative load and indication of supression.
We have been bashing in each others heads for 1000's of years over power,religion and money(same as power).
Even in this day and age .... we never stopped doing that, we are but an inch away from caveman.
No religion, money or borders is the future, question is if we are ready, I think not.
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Nukes and bullets can solve almost any problem, if enough force is applied and you're ok with genocide being an option.
But in reality, treating nukes, shooting people, and genocide as if they aren't problems themselves (not to mention the exact problem OP's community is having trouble with and the reason behind the post itself) is blatant hypocrisy and pretty fucking sorry.
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No need to BAN religion unless the religion itself lead people to some bad behavior. There are sects in my country that demand from people to do suacide or some kind of sex ceremony, some kind of group sex and other crap. I am not familiar with religion OP is referring to but if the purpose of that religion is to bring peace, let it be. The problem is most of time in the men itself.
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Religion is not a problem. It's just being misused. The attackers were shot dead by the SSG. What should be done is lifting the ban on death sentences. The courts send these assholes to jail where they get fed by our own money. Hanging them on the main chowks of each city is what should happen.
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Religion is not a problem. It's just being misused. The attackers were shot dead by the SSG. What should be done is lifting the ban on death sentences. The courts send these assholes to jail where they get fed by our own money. Hanging them on the main chowks of each city is what should happen.
OR; OR, cuting off their hands. So they can't kill again. Muhahahaha. Middle age, I love you.
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OR; OR, cuting off their hands. So they can't kill again. Muhahahaha. Middle age, I love you.
Look bro. You don't understand the mentality of these Suicide Bombers and Attackers.
The only way to stop them is to kill them. Do you think these guys were here to hold these children hostage? No. They started killing them on entry. They're brainwashed to the point of no return. That, sadly is the truth. The Pakistan Army practically destroyed the TTP's backbone in North Waziristan. Why do they still exist? They fled to Afghanistan, where KHAD and the ANA are giving them safe haven.
Do you know what the courts over here do? They do sentence them to death, but the punishment is never carried out. Making an example out of them on the streets is the only solution, because the "legal' process always turns out to be in favor of them.
Take a look at this and judge for yourself:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18s6wh_interview-with-a-taliban-suicide-bomber-with-eng-subtitle_people
And if you think the Taliban are Muslims, think again. They call themselves Muslims. You'll be surprised to see the amount of drugs, alcohol and porn the army has discovered in the Suicide Bomber Training centers.
People who do this (http://i.imgur.com/2De3Ioa.jpg), should end up like this. (http://imgur.com/nnF0APD,9PA6rZs,qlcPaNx,Os5tWhm,0aZXcxo,NvsP3So,fVzCLAt,NVjy2uO,y0997Kg,B5E5QRd#0)
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Now, look again , bro. They used weapons, they didn't come in and BOOM themselves. It was like, i wanna kill but survive as well. Soooo, yes, death sentence is good, I support that. But now easy one, but rather slow and painful, to be reminder to others.
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You're talking to someone who followed these events from the start, and happen to live in the country where they happened. At least one of them did BOOM themselves in the auditorium and ALL of them were wearing suicide vests. Also, the one who blew himself up entered the auditorium, which was, at the time, full of students because an event was taking place. He forced the students to gather around him, and he blew himself up. There's not really any excuse or reason to attack schools in any kind of conflict. And did I mention the other explosives they planted in the school?
And many of these militants do suffer horrible deaths. They get picked up by agencies, and tortured to death. However, it's not legal. Punishment should be public and should set an example. It should not encourage others to do the same deeds.
Oh, and there's also significant evidence of Afghan Involvement.
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Well that's what I am saying . Public death, public humiliation , slowly killing them.
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Well that's what I am saying . Public death, public humiliation , slowly killing them.
So, the whole middle age thing was no sarcasm :P That's new.
News: The PM has approved hanging terrorists.
http://i.imgur.com/tv9cNOb.jpg
Punishments are expected to be carried out in the next 48 hours.
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I don't know how to read this and yes, it was not a sarcasm. I really want killers to be killed in that way. :D
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I don't know how to read this and yes, it was not a sarcasm. I really want killers to be killed in that way. :D
What is your thought on execution by quartering? I think that we should bring it back but only for the worst of the worst. We should also bring back public stoning(if they can't recognize the body, then they can't use the person as a martyr).
But religion definitely should not be outlawed. Just look at what happened to Stalin Russia when religion was outlawed. Even the most insane bastard in ww2 decided that outlawing religion was going to far.... at least after his people became hopeless sacks of flesh, but still.
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Pick any you like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJg4_gbmCM
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Pick any you like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpJg4_gbmCM
The brazen bull has always had a special place in my heart as being the way I would least like to die, but the iron donkey sounds pretty damn painful.
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If religion is banned people will still find excuses to kill others, because humans in general are destructive.and no religion justifies killing innocents.
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To OP, it's just 6 person of millions I hope you just don't judge on someone or something based an act of such a few.
The problem here as always in the understanding of the wrong people, intolerance and resorting to violence and justify it with religion to escape from the consequences of their actions
Do they know that mohammad forcefully married a woman(Safiya) after killing her husband, brother, and father the same evening
really ?? what are you smoking?
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To OP, it's just 6 person of millions I hope you just don't judge on someone or something based an act of such a few.
The problem here as always in the understanding of the wrong people, intolerance and resorting to violence and justify it with religion to escape from the consequences of their actions
really ?? what are you smoking?
The fanatics always have religions and these dogmas defending and backing them. The doctrines that only divide people and pill their vitriol in follower's skull about those belonging to other religion or none and 6 deaths? History has repeated itself again and again and we are blind and fool to not realize that this religion of peace is the root of all the evil that's out there. The devil's religion. Look at how they openly praise Bin Qasim for invading sub-continent while all that fanatic did was deported our women to fulfill lust of his arab masters and gods, enslaved our young and did mass killing of native hindus and forced coversion to islam! This so-called 'just' and peace loving god who is so sexist, sadist, misogynist, egoistic bigot and his followers and these seekers of paradise that have turned this world into much worse than hell! I hope hope these all cockscukers get what they want, I hope they all kill themselves for their bloody paradise because our world is fucked up! Among those children that were dead was saifullah haramzai my cousin who was only 13 years old he was told to recite the muslim kalmah and then shot repeatedly in the skull until his brain fell out of it! You know what they brought us back? A fucking bag of meat and said here's your child! This wasn't my brother that left that morning! That was definitely not him! This is all done and all because 2100 years ago there was a faggot pedophile prophets having people kill each other in the name of god!
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Do you really think that people were living in peace before Islam And then Islam comes and makes people kill each other?
Do you really think that any religion call for such violence, Terrorism and intolerance will have all this follower around the world and getting more every day?
a Muslim in Islam is The person who doesn't hurt other people either with his tongue like in “Insulting and cursing “ or with his hand like in “any kind of physical abuse”.
And you come and call these Ruthless who kills People like that a Muslims ?I don't think so
The Muslims in the world is the most one who suffer from there Cruelty every day, look how many of them die every day in Iraq in suicide bomb or on a raids of ISIS , and have a look at what is happening in Libya or Yemen and at the end the rest get palmed for what they do.
And you call the man who used to order his army before any war they had to fight "don't kill a child or a woman or an old man or a sick , don't cut down a tree or demolish a hermitage or a building"
you call him a killer or worse, read about his biography and then judge him.
I understand your anger and sympathize with you but please don't let your anger blind you and make you judge islam or more than a billion Muslim around the world like that.
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24:2 Strike the adulteress and the adulterer one hundred times. Do not let compassion for them keep you from carrying out God’s law—if you believe in God and the Last Day—and ensure that a group of believers witnesses the punishment. (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Quran, New York: Oxford UP, 2004)
5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).
To cite but a few...
Islam is as messed up a religion as any other (or most).
No offence. I don't have anything against Muslims or Islam cause in my country we all live peacfully.
Most muslims are GOOD people. But cut the crap about islam being a peaceful religion, it is NOT.
The good muslims just transcend old scriptures and live peaceful lives.
With any religious group, the actual problem lies in the so-called GROUP BIAS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-group_favoritism
On a last note:
There are no verses in the Quran about Me wanting anyone to hold hostages in a chocolate shop in Sydney, you terrorist fucks.
~https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod
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z3ro:
Fitnah does not mean disbelief. It means spreading mischief, and it covers terrorism.
Az-Zalimun does not mean the polytheists and wrong doers. It refers to oppressors.
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z3ro:
Fitnah does not mean disbelief. It means spreading mischief, and it covers terrorism.
Az-Zalimun does not mean the polytheists and wrong doers. It refers to oppressors.
Oh. My bad then. (This is what happens when you copy paste from the web)
Anyway, I was only attempting to quote some examples.
PS: I think the meaning of the word 'Fitnah' is not as simple as that :/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitna_%28word%29
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Well you see, Arabic is a language, with roots.
Fitnah, in this context, means spreaders of mischief, discord, etc. All the qualities of the TTP :P
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Bin Qasim was a peaceful guy? I will suggest you to read hi memoir or biography by any author but a Mufti or a Mullah. Remember that until the lions find their own historian, history will always term the Hunter hero.
Did you know Islam started by Fitnah when this prophet started breaking idols in a 'Mandir'. Who was it, moses or somebody? That was Fitnah! Do you know what that worship place today is called? "Kaaba"! The Hijra Aswad, the famous black stone that muslims kiss today is remnant of Kaaba's past when it had idols of Hudreds and thousands of gods a reason why ISIS says it wants to destroy kaaba for idol worshipping!
Secondly so false yet so evil never has been a doctrine like this ! The Ancient arab god
"Al illat", was the mood god whose sign was the MOON/cresecent. Give me onne reason why Islam's sign is crescent and it's god's called ALLAH derived from ALILLAT.
Do you know about the arrogance and ignorance of Mohammad's companion omer who went to library Alexandria on Rome ivasion and torched it down because Quran wasn't there. Do you know that Alexandria was the library with the vastest collection that has ever been! Centuries of history and Science of human civilization left by this ignorant and illiterate man, OMER which muslims call a saint today!
The misogyny of Mohammad himself when he killed Safia's husband, father, and brother on invasion and consummated her the SAME night and now muslims call SAFIAH lucky? What kind of buttfucking women in this cocksucking world would warm their bed with a man who kill their husband, brother and father THE SAME EVENING?! Do you see the stupidity of your beliefs?
Do you know mohammad consummated a 9 year old and there are quotes from SHAHI BUKHARI where talks about Aisha telling how the old prophet would masturbate by rubbing his cock against her thigh! You can call ejaculating on 6 year old MERCY I call it pedophilia!
Do you still want me to tell what the fuck is wrong with this religion of peace?! I can go on and on and ON! from lashing people FOR MAKING LOVE to slicing their throats for DRAWING an image of mohammad! DO YOU CALL THIS PEACE?!
DO YOU BLOODY KNOW OF MY CULTURE?? I am a PakhtuN! Do you knnow our culture PAKHTUNWALI? We were known to be the most peaceful BUT ISLAM POISONED IT when QAIS fucking afghan embraced islam! Our ancient ATTAN- the khattak dance- the sword dance that our men and women would do is now BANNED because of Islam and you know our women? You klnow our society? They have to veil a Shuttle fucking cock veil to hide even their eyelashes! Yes thats what Islam has done! Want me to go on more?!
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Damn it man.
If you disagree with Islam, don't follow it. There's no point arguing any further, and you can't change what you think is the past.
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Damn it man.
If you disagree with Islam, don't follow it. There's no point arguing any further, and you can't change what you think is the past.
I'll see if you can do what you are preaching here when you are (I hope I hope never) holding your brothers in your arms
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Look man. Crazy people exist everywhere. The TTP's interpretation of Islam is wrong, whatever way you look at it. That's a fact. No point blaming Islam for it. Banning religion will never solve anything, it will just aggravate people, more. And talking about banning religion in a country based on Islamic Ideology is a bit, stupid in my opinion.
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Look man. Crazy people exist everywhere. The TTP's interpretation of Islam is wrong, whatever way you look at it. That's a fact. No point blaming Islam for it. Banning religion will never solve anything, it will just aggravate people, more. And talking about banning religion in a country based on Islamic Ideology is a bit, stupid in my opinion.
A nation built on an islamic ideology the idea of which was laid forwarded by a pork eating, wine drinking, never bowing, pet dogs owning, liberal conman lawyer :) Well to each his own.
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I am with and against religion. It helps us understand better but also It don't let people merry from other religion. Thats the biggest shit I see here in India.. :/ Also, in PAK their own country once supported Jihadi's and now these Jihadi's are killing their own people and their own kids. Such a loser people they are. They even want Kashmir in India, they want revenge from their own countrymen, they want everybody to think like them and convert other into islam. Well, FUCK those morons.. _|_
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I am with and against religion. It helps us understand better but also It don't let people merry from other religion. Thats the biggest shit I see here in India.. :/ Also, in PAK their own country once supported Jihadi's and now these Jihadi's are killing their own people and their own kids. Such a loser people they are. They even want Kashmir in India, they want revenge from their own countrymen, they want everybody to think like them and convert other into islam. Well, FUCK those morons.. _|_
Taliban were created by West, the Americans when the soviet invaded Afghanistan and the Americans feared their strong hold in Middle East. They then harvested 'Mujahideen' which was back then aided by Pakistani ISI in return of billions of $$ in name of aid. Later on they were used by Pakistan against India in Kargil and then in Kashmir freedom movement. Taliban is just a plan gone wrong. The US lost control over them and then started the war against next gen. Taliban. Sadly 70% Taliban are Pakhtuns *poker face*
After even a decade the US have lost and feared the wrath of afghans because they are warriors from birth and defenders of their lands from Alexender to Gengish-Changez and then Brits then Soviets. They know how to use the mountains better than the American soldiers ever will.
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But yes if you want to argue on India versus Pakistan then I would not proceed not until you have a pinch of blind patriotism left in your nerves like typical nationalists since the both countries have committed atrocities even against their own people. From the racists BJP party responsible for the massacre of thoussands of muslims women and children in Gujrat to the Hindus blindly supporting BHP and voting MODI for government. All these collected under the shadow of one flag - Patriotism.
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But yes if you want to argue on India versus Pakistan then I would not proceed not until you have a pinch of blind patriotism left in your nerves like typical nationalists since the both countries have committed atrocities even against their own people. From the racists BJP party responsible for the massacre of thoussands of muslims women and children in Gujrat to the Hindus blindly supporting BHP and voting MODI for government. All these collected under the shadow of one flag - Patriotism.
You cannot simply blam him brother.. :)
How come a killer became president and everybody started loving him?
There must be something right? He is a great personality here and many of the nearby countries are effected by him.. and just him..
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Off topic much?
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What the fuck am I reading.
"bad people following warped ideology kill people, they say religion make them, we ban religion."
Bad people will be bad no matter if you give them a book that they can blame it on or not. And frankly people seem to forget the amount of good religion does. The amount of comfort it provides people when practiced properly. Banning religion won't do jack shit. If i wanna shoot some kids im fucked up no matter what book i pray to.
Can religion SWAY some people who are weak of heart/mind, yeah for sure it can, but so can millions of other things. I get that 140+ people dieing is a tragedy... but it's a relatively small one.
You care so much, enlist and go fight the jackasses face to face, I promise you that even if we all say "no more religion" there will still people shooting at ya/each other.
And claiming islam is a peaceful religion is about as accurate as claiming that christianity doesnt contain discrimination.
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For an answer on :
First Quote:
24:2 Strike the adulteress and the adulterer one hundred times. Do not let compassion for them keep you from carrying out God’s law—if you believe in God and the Last Day—and ensure that a group of believers witnesses the punishment. (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Quran, New York: Oxford UP, 2004)
try checking for the conditions required to run this punishments
Second Quote:
5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. 39 But if anyone repents after his wrongdoing and makes amends, God will accept his repentance: God is most forgiving and merciful. (Haleem)
Prophet Mohamed said
“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand."
for full explanation : http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/articles/136791/the-ruling-of-theft-in-islam (http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/articles/136791/the-ruling-of-theft-in-islam)
Third quote:
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).
The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did).
They was forced to relocate from mecca and when they was able to go back they fought with them and when the won and entered the city and all the Meccans who fought with them was taken hostages prophet mohamed set them free.
And finally ,PsychoRebellious what really cought my eye of your nonsense
Do you know about the arrogance and ignorance of Mohammad's companion omer who went to library Alexandria on Rome ivasion and torched it down because Quran wasn't there.
because if you make a simple google search you would have find who really burned the library.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Destruction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria#Destruction)
lease stop your lies or at least check them first cause honestly i can't keep up ...
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Politics and organized religion,
I cant help but despise;
For it is better to believe in nothing,
Than the worlds riddled lies.
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Then at least we agreed to disagree
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Okay.
Simple thought experiment:
First: Imagine a world without any religion at all. None. Yeah. People would still be killing each other but compared to now, the world would BE BETTER.
Second: Imagine a world where EVERYONE is completely religious. Every person following their own beliefs and fully believing scriptures to be the word of their respective Gods. We're fucked.
I'd rather live in the first world. But yeah, its neva gonna happen. :(
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Related:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion
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VS I believe or not, back on topic or lock.
This is another out of control religion topic.
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Okay.
Simple thought experiment:
First: Imagine a world without any religion at all. None. Yeah. People would still be killing each other but compared to now, the world would BE BETTER.
Second: Imagine a world where EVERYONE is completely religious. Every person following their own beliefs and fully believing scriptures to be the word of their respective Gods. We're fucked.
I'd rather live in the first world. But yeah, its neva gonna happen. :(
Again I ask those posting to look at what happened between 60ad and the 1990s. Yes religion has been used to justify and cause horrific events, but when things go to shit all people have to turn to for hope is religion. We need to find a balance between the two insane extremes you said or there will be even more death and destruction than there is now. The weak minded will go insane and start destroying stuff or become depressed as all hell. Some people have to have something to believe in.
So I still think that religion should not be outlawed.
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Related:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/unique-everybody-else/201401/more-knowledge-less-belief-in-religion
I've always thought of Buddhism as being: shit happens because you believe that the shit around you is real shit so to stop the shit you have to give up all your shit so that you'll have no shit when you die and you're able to be shitless forever and never have to worry about emotions and shit again.
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Interesting read:
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141219-will-religion-ever-disappear
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Man this topic is soo long -.- I read most of it but damn.
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Religious extremists and Atheists are one and the same.
Just my 2c.
i'm out.
So I kind of consider myself an Atheist. However what you said is actually offensive lol.
e.g. 'Religious extremists' and 'Atheists'. Not all atheists are extremists bro. Kindly refer to extreme atheists as 'Atheist Extremists' or something, because That, is bullshit.
Besides that banning religion won't do shit and it's a silly idea. As said before it's just as silly as stuff like the war on drugs. What Is Not silly however is taking away all of their power.
American presidents basically have to be or pretend to be religious. This is BS.
Religions sometimes get support from the government, in the form of less taxes or simply money. This is also BS.
I'm sure you can imagine other things where religion gets an 'unfair' advantage.
Imho religion is basically The Best long con ever.
Congrats to the conmen that invented it.
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So I kind of consider myself an Atheist. However what you said is actually offensive lol.
e.g. 'Religious extremists' and 'Atheists'. Not all atheists are extremists bro. Kindly refer to extreme atheists as 'Atheist Extremists' or something, because That, is bullshit.
Hey sorry I offended you bro, I should have explained in which way they are exactly the same:
They both believe something which they have no possible way of knowing.
People often get the terms atheist and agnostic mixed up.
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Hey sorry I offended you bro, I should have explained in which way they are exactly the same:
They both believe something which they have no possible way of knowing.
People often get the terms atheist and agnostic mixed up.
It's the same with all religions; none of them have proof that their God(s) is/are real. Of course their is also no proof that said gods don't exist: that's why I stay neutral.
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It's the same with all religions; none of them have proof that their God(s) is/are real. Of course their is also no proof that said gods don't exist: that's why I stay neutral.
I don't think you got my point, because you are repeating exactly what i said.
Read carefully to avoid looking silly.
That makes you an Agnostic, which means you await evidence before making a decision.
Me too, not much in this world are black and white, more often, grey.
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Skeptics should not have the burden of proof. Proving a negative is pointless here.
I believe in unicorns. They are REAL! You don't believe me? Prove they don't exist. :P
no one can conclusively prove the existence of a God, unicorns or giant flying teapots orbiting our galaxy. BUT we choose to live our lives as if unicorns don't exist.
For me, that's true for all Gods (and they are sooooo many).
That's why, I AM AN ATHEIST but I accept that i can't conclusively deny the existence or prove the inexistence of God.
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Yeah i've heard all that crap before, it's an extremely common convenient argument for Atheists, but it doesn't mean shit to me and if you think about it it means nothing.
The fact remains you believe something just as imaginary as a flying teapot in the sky or a unicorn.
You think you know something you have no way of knowing, so do religious people.
That is all.
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Yeah i've heard all that crap before, it's an extremely common convenient argument for Atheists, but it doesn't mean shit to me and if you think about it it means nothing.
The fact remains you believe something just as imaginary as a flying teapot in the sky or a unicorn.
You think you know something you have no way of knowing, so do religious people.
That is all.
Dude, seriously. I think you missed the point.
But never mind, looks like Geoff said what had to be said. :P
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You guys are missing d4rkcats point.
Geoff: in your example some guy says he can fly but refuses to prove it. In that example its pretty easy to look at the humans are aw assumed to be anatomically similar and tell them to flap their arms. Or quite frankly compel him with force to demonstrate.
A spiritual plane/god/flying spaghetti monster isnt as simple to prove/disprove. Since in most cases it requires dieing to conclusively answer.
Look im not saying god exists but basically, a theist'a beliefs are pretty simple to qualify; an atheist's is just the polar opposite. Its in the god damned word. So if you want a theist to prove god exists then you need to be able to prove that he/she/it doesn't. Otherwise agnosticism is really the only logical belief.
You think a god exists? Coo. I haven't seen any evidence for that.
You think tere is no god? Coo. No evidence for that either.
I will even say that unicorn believers, if they exist, are just the same as theists in that and id say id be agnostic on that too (no reason horses cant over time develop horns. Just no reason for that to happen and i haven't seen evidence either way)
The world wouod he a lot better if more people just adopted a live and let live attitude .
Sent from my iphone suck a dick if there's grammatical or spelling errors.
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Evidence of absence is evidence of any kind that suggests something is missing or that it does not exist. A simple example of evidence of absence: A baker never fails to put finished pies on her windowsill, so if there is no pie on the windowsill, then no finished pies exist. This can be formulated as modus tollens in propositional logic: P implies Q, but Q is false, therefore P is false.
Per the traditional aphorism, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence", positive evidence of this kind is distinct from a lack of evidence or ignorance[1] of that which should have been found already, had it existed. In this regard Irving Copi writes:
In some circumstances it can be safely assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of proof of its occurrence as positive proof of its non-occurrence.
This whole damn page is really interesting.
Please guys, take time to read it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence
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Ah! Couldn't have said this better. ;D
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This Example i heard before from Al_Shaarawy's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Metwally_Al_Shaarawy).
The "TV" Before it was Invented, was there any thing called a "TV" ? No.
But After it was Invented it was Given the name and every one now knows the word "TV" and what it means.
So The Meaning Exist first then a word comes describing it after.
And The Fact that the word "Allah" already exist in your language and mine and in every other language. that mean the meaning (The creator of This world) already Exist and the word came after to describe it.
I hope that is close enough.
But After all "Belief (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/belief)" : an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
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Congrats! you actually just superseded d4rkcat for the dumbest argument for God ever. I really don't know how to respond to that idiocy you just spewed.
Wow, someone a butthurt little bitch. Did mommy give you coal in your stocking yesterday?
Try getting a girlfriend/boyfriend, it should ease some of that pent up anger you have.
lmao.
**Tips Fedora**
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This Example i heard before from Al_Shaarawy's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Metwally_Al_Shaarawy).
I hope that is close enough.
But After all
What the fuck did I just read?
This is THE DUMBEST argument ever. I'm not even going to try to explain the obvious fallacy here! ::)
I think i'll even save a print screen for future reference.
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i really don't know what you call it a obvious fallacy here, but you just don't name something that doesn't exist.
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i really don't know what you call it a obvious fallacy here, but you just don't name something that doesn't exist.
... It causes me actual physical pain to agree with Geoff. But what the fuck are you on about?
I'm neither for or against theism, but I am against stupidity and that sire is a dumbass argument..
Fictional books all over the world are based around naming shit that doesnt exist. Whether or not the Bible, or Quran, or whatever, is just another fictional book is yet to be seen (imo).
@Geoff, I guess we disagree on a fundamental point. I believe that even without theists, atheists would exist since the world would be filled with them! It's not -just- some big argument with people taking sides. It's a statement about a person's beliefs. They might not REALIZE in your fictional example, that they are atheists; but they would be. SO my main argument I suppose is that people, no matter how ludacris or sane their beliefs may be should have the burden of proof upon them (for their respective beliefs and noone elses). THat goes for the belief in a/some god(s) or for the belief of... just the observable universe being all there is?
Trust me I'm not here saying God is Real and such, I'm not even sure if I hope he is! (way) More than likely it's just a story made up so little kids, and i guess adults, who were dieing would be less afraid of the dark. I'm just saying that people should be reasonably expected to provide proof for their beliefs, and if they can't then we should just call it faith and leave it at that. Atheism is a belief just as surely as Christianity/etc is, they answer all the same questions and neither can be conclusively proven.
Course, that's just my belief.
P.S/EDIT: Unless something really cool happens I'm bowing out of this, we all have our beliefs and quite frankly no matter what happens after we die, I'm not spending more time than I have to arguing about it on the internet ;)
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Nice Fedora d4rkcat :P
Anyway the reason I see myself as an atheist is;
I was pretty much raised in a catholic school and nothing they said made sense.
First there's tales of Jeebus healing lepers and what not, thats how they reel you in.
Then as you get older and get more common sense they tell us, "Actually that shit about Jeebus healing ppl, was not true. Those are simply metaphors. But God is Real!". Besides that my version of the bible starts like this "Bla bla bla word of God, this bible blabla bla story told on for several DECADES before being written down bla bla bla". I don't know about you guys but when things get told on by word of mouth it pretty much turns into fable.
Then I compare Genesis to the tale of Eden. IT DOESN'T MATCH.
Frankly it proves to me that at some point a male supremacist came by and decided males were better & he needed a new creation story.
To me the obvious proof that what they claim is utter Bull Crap, is enough proof for me to believe they are spouting lies out of their ******. Add to that, the fact that their God is a massive asshole who frankly fails as a human being allows me to completely denounce it as a silly fable.
Obviously I hate Christianity. So I take the stance, there is no God, there is only the imagination of mankind.
I might be partially agnostic, but I feel more like an Atheist.
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Nice Fedora d4rkcat :P
Anyway the reason I see myself as an atheist is;
I was pretty much raised in a catholic school and nothing they said made sense.
First there's tales of Jeebus healing lepers and what not, thats how they reel you in.
Then as you get older and get more common sense they tell us, "Actually that shit about Jeebus healing ppl, was not true. Those are simply metaphors. But God is Real!". Besides that my version of the bible starts like this "Bla bla bla word of God, this bible blabla bla story told on for several DECADES before being written down bla bla bla". I don't know about you guys but when things get told on by word of mouth it pretty much turns into fable.
Then I compare Genesis to the tale of Eden. IT DOESN'T MATCH.
Frankly it proves to me that at some point a male supremacist came by and decided males were better & he needed a new creation story.
To me the obvious proof that what they claim is utter Bull Crap, is enough proof for me to believe they are spouting lies out of their ******. Add to that, the fact that their God is a massive asshole who frankly fails as a human being allows me to completely denounce it as a silly fable.
Obviously I hate Christianity. So I take the stance, there is no God, there is only the imagination of mankind.
I might be partially agnostic, but I feel more like an Atheist.
Just because religions, created by human, are all full of crap does NOT mean there's no God, right? :P
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Just because religions, created by human, are all full of crap does NOT mean there's no God, right? :P
This. If I was god I would probably stay away from humans- we're dumbasses who like to kill each other any chance we get. Unless god is a sadistic bastard I doubt he cares about humans.
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This. If I was god I would probably stay away from humans- we're dumbasses who like to kill each other any chance we get. Unless god is a sadistic bastard I doubt he cares about humans.
Totally! ;)
From what we can infer from happenings around the globe, God is a capricious, cruel, deceitful, genocidal, homophobic, insecure, jealous, malevolent, racist, sadist, vindictive, violent bully.
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Sick fucks will find another justification to commit genocide.
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Banning religion does nothing but galvanize the most crazy elements, it's a far better strategy to follow the example of the Soviet Union and China-- infiltrate the religious organizations, advance leaders who will not challenge the State and who agree to identify, and report to the secret police, those members in their congregations who are radical and make them disappear.
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All because of some zealots religious fanatics. I'm ashamed to admit that I was raised in the same religion, I left it behind long ago. Poll question: Do you think religion should be banned? Or practicing it should be banned? No offense to Christians, muslims or Jews, hindus here. Just a thought.
6 men dressed as military men rushed in a school and opened fire. This kid was my friend's cousin. Poor soul. I can only imagine the torments his family must be going through
https://www.facebook.com/mubeen.shah28?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/mubeen.shah28?fref=ts)
Religion is on its way out. There's been a sharp rise in the amount of people that affiliate as non-religious/atheist in the past few years. There will continue to be places all over the world where information isn't as liberated as it is in certain parts of the world, those will be the last places religion lives... and even in popular culture, we probably have a few more decades before social norms (even in progressive countries) would allow the switch to an eradication of religion.
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Don't know if posting links is allowed or not but
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRI2AsF3h0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjRI2AsF3h0)
I think that explains it, worth listening.